Today on Why is It?: Japanese Animation

[Theendgamelv3]

I am not being familiar with being a sports fan? Trust me when I say this, if that is what you are implying, I have MORE than enough evidence to back up MY claim about the few crazy sports fans. I wouldn't state such a thing if I am not prepared to back it up. Seriously if you are gonna make that kind of a statement, might as well spit out why you won't bother arguing it. What I said is true, anime doesn't make some anime fans at the way they do. They were always mental in some way. If it wasn't anime they were gonna go gaga stupid over, it would have Star Wars or Star Trek or something else. There are always weird and way out there fans in EVERY fandom.  I see why mods warn you about your attitude.

Way to be elitist over my attitude. FYI, I was never warned. It was just one guy saying stuff. way to take debating on the internet to a whole new level.

Excuse me, I confused Darkgragos with being a mod or staff member (especially since he could lock the topic among other things), so I apologize. Darkgragos is right, you tend to be rude in some of your posts like the post I made that you responded to earlier. You're basically insulting my intelligence with that previous post. You made the claim, say WHY I wouldn't be familiar? I won't be shy to admit it, sometimes I will read something and take it the wrong way. What I took from Nutpatch's post was anime makes some fans want to change their names into Japanese names and try to change peoples' cultures. Basically to me, he is saying that anime makes some people do things and my response is "that is like saying video games make people do things." If I misread what he said, by all means please explain what he was getting at.

Now if you believe that video games and/or media in general make people do things, ok that is your belief, but I don't believe that. True, I don't know much about the subject of how media effects peoples' actions, I don't think you're a authority on the subject either, unless you're gonna make that claim.

[Ryu # 20]

Well it isn't anime's fault that people are like that. That is like saying video games changed some kids into killing people. Anime fans could be worse, they could be sports fans and start riots, chuck batteries at opposing teams, or worse yet, attack and kill eachother cause they hate the opposing teams fans.
What I said is true, anime doesn't make some anime fans at the way they do. They were always mental in some way. If it wasn't anime they were gonna go gaga stupid over, it would have Star Wars or Star Trek or something else. Shall I point to the many examples of people obsessing over MMOs and staying on them forever? Who isn't to say that if they didn't become obsessed playing a MMO, that they wouldn't be obsessed over anime? There are always weird and way out there fans in EVERY fandom.

  He's saying pure and simple truth.

[Jelux Da Casual]

Ok, I spent the weekend at my parent's place, so I haven't had time to say much. I was gonna right this whole big thing but quite frankly, I'm not in the mood and I wanna play some Mario Kart before I crash so:

Ryu #19: I didn't write this rant to bash on anime and if it reads like I did, read it again.

@ Theendgamelv3: This rant was about the segregation of Anime vs. world. I had no intention of bringing up Otaku obsession. I agree that many things have cult followings (Star Wars, Star Trek, Rocky Horror Picture Show, etc.). That's a natural thing in society in general and it can't be helped.

@ Both: I only vented on that issue of anime fans because Nutpatch brought it up. But since it came up I'll say this.

People who love Star Wars or People who are "Trekkies" will not limit their Sci-fi viewing to just that particular series. However, most of the fans that fall in the "otaku" catagory will ONLY watch anime. Even if a non-Japanese animated is good, the undersaid community will pass it by, in the same vein that gamers in the "Hardcore" catagory will pass up any game that has more than the standard dirty brown look in the game's color scheme. Even if the show winds up sucking, they'll put more faith in it then any non-anime cartoon. That is my underlying problem with Otaku. Now, I know that not all are like that, but it can be said for the "general populace."

[Nutty-Da-Kid]

Ok, I spent the weekend at my parent's place, so I haven't had time to say much. I was gonna right this whole big thing but quite frankly, I'm not in the mood and I wanna play some Mario Kart before I crash so:

Ryu #19: I didn't write this rant to bash on anime and if it reads like I did, read it again.

@ Theendgamelv3: This rant was about the segregation of Anime vs. world. I had no intention of bringing up Otaku obsession. I agree that many things have cult followings (Star Wars, Star Trek, Rocky Horror Picture Show, etc.). That's a natural thing in society in general and it can't be helped.

@ Both: I only vented on that issue of anime fans because Nutpatch brought it up. But since it came up I'll say this.

People who love Star Wars or People who are "Trekkies" will not limit their Sci-fi viewing to just that particular series. However, most of the fans that fall in the "otaku" catagory will ONLY watch anime. Even if a non-Japanese animated is good, the undersaid community will pass it by, in the same vein that gamers in the "Hardcore" catagory will pass up any game that has more than the standard dirty brown look in the game's color scheme. Even if the show winds up sucking, they'll put more faith in it then any non-anime cartoon. That is my underlying problem with Otaku. Now, I know that not all are like that, but it can be said for the "general populace."

true. and literally they want to be japanese they start doing things all japanese ppl do.

[Theendgamelv3]

People who love Star Wars or People who are "Trekkies" will not limit their Sci-fi viewing to just that particular series. However, most of the fans that fall in the "otaku" catagory will ONLY watch anime. Even if a non-Japanese animated is good, the undersaid community will pass it by, in the same vein that gamers in the "Hardcore" catagory will pass up any game that has more than the standard dirty brown look in the game's color scheme. Even if the show winds up sucking, they'll put more faith in it then any non-anime cartoon. That is my underlying problem with Otaku. Now, I know that not all are like that, but it can be said for the "general populace."

That's not a problem. Sci Fi is just that....Sci Fi. Anime isn't a single genre (despite the fact that many places do single it out for convenient purposes). Anime is has its genres just like books and TV series. There are anime fans that love Magical Girl anime but HATE Mecha anime, just like how there are people who love Soap Operas but HATE Reality TV. Anime is diverse enough for a person IMO to only like Anime. There isn't anything wrong with a person just liking anime. The thing is Anime is much different than its American counter part, it just is. I can see why anime fans can hate on American animation. So your logic is flawed that Sci Fi is a single genre whereas Anime isn't just a single genre.

Most American animation is geared towards kids or it is a comedy for Adults. Name one American Cartoon that is aired on Cable within the past few years that is like Cowboy Bebop, Death Note, Eureka 7, etc? See the problem? This is why that some anime fans don't like American animation, it just doesn't suit them. I like American Animation to a degree, but it is limiting. There is only so much with Adult comedies then can do. Afro Samurai isn't a American product, I was surprised when I heard that. Takashi Okazaki came up with the series. Lets put it this way, one huge reason why anime fans in general love anime and aren't a big fan of US cartoons, anime does things that most US cartoons don't really do. US cartoons NOW can get away with these things, but outside of the controversial comedic cartoon like South Park, you don't see those kind of things in US cartoons.

Anime gets "special" treatment cause fans of anime love it. It is no different than fans of anything giving the special treatment cause they love it. Sure it is a broader stroke with anime (cause it houses many genres), but how a anime fan defending and loving anime is no different than someone defending and loving their favorite team or movie. It is special to them. It isn't really Anime vs the world as more in Anime vs US cartoons. I can't name a Indian cartoon, or a Brazilian Cartoon. If you can, is it popular in the world today? Shown in many different countries? I can sure name of anime and US cartoons. Just because it has its own section in a store doesn't make it better or is being put on a pedestal. Fans will past up US cartoons cause what they have seen from past US cartoons. Yes it is wrong, but that is how it is. I can give you a non-anime example, Soccer. It is consider the "World's sport" but most people in the US find it boring and uninteresting. Most US sports fans would rather watch a "boring" American football game, then a "exciting" soccer match. Why is that, cause it is soccer. This is like how most anime fans won't watch US cartoons cause it is a US cartoon. People segregate in general, that is how people are.  It isn't like US animation gets shafted by other countries. Disney is a big presence in of different countries. Mickey Mouse is one of the most iconic characters ever created. The Boondocks is dubbed and is released in Japan. Weird yes, but true.

[Ryu # 20]

@ Ryu #19: I didn't write this rant to bash on anime and if it reads like I did, read it again.

@ Theendgamelv3: This rant was about the segregation of Anime vs. world. I had no intention of bringing up Otaku obsession. I agree that many things have cult followings (Star Wars, Star Trek, Rocky Horror Picture Show, etc.). That's a natural thing in society in general and it can't be helped.

@ Both: I only vented on that issue of anime fans because Nutpatch brought it up. But since it came up I'll say this.

People who love Star Wars or People who are "Trekkies" will not limit their Sci-fi viewing to just that particular series. However, most of the fans that fall in the "otaku" catagory will ONLY watch anime. Even if a non-Japanese animated is good, the undersaid community will pass it by, in the same vein that gamers in the "Hardcore" catagory will pass up any game that has more than the standard dirty brown look in the game's color scheme. Even if the show winds up sucking, they'll put more faith in it then any non-anime cartoon. That is my underlying problem with Otaku. Now, I know that not all are like that, but it can be said for the "general populace."

That's precisely why I said you were bashing anime. You seem to think of Otaku in a different way than Sci-fi or sports fans. But what does it make you say "Trekkies will not limit their Sci-fi viewing to just that particular series"? That does not depend on anime, sports, or whatever, it depends on people. And just like you say "general populace" Otaku pass by good non-Japanese animated, there surely are "Trekkies" or Star Wars fans who pass by other Sci-fi series. Same as sports. Where I'm from -surely you know Boca Juniors team- "general populace" hate Boca Juniors and don't recognize they're an excellent team (otherwise they wouldn't have won Intercontinental Championship a great number of times). And even in America, "general populace" hate New England Patriots. And since you talk about Anime vs. World, I can name Boca Juniors vs. rest of Argentina or New England Patriots vs. rest of America.

What does that differ from the Anime case?

true. and literally they want to be japanese they start doing things all japanese ppl do.

That's people's own problem. No need to adress anime in special.

That's not a problem. Sci Fi is just that....Sci Fi. Anime isn't a single genre (despite the fact that many places do single it out for convenient purposes). Anime is has its genres just like books and TV series. There are anime fans that love Magical Girl anime but HATE Mecha anime, just like how there are people who love Soap Operas but HATE Reality TV. Anime is diverse enough for a person IMO to only like Anime. There isn't anything wrong with a person just liking anime. The thing is Anime is much different than its American counter part, it just is. I can see why anime fans can hate on American animation. So your logic is flawed that Sci Fi is a single genre whereas Anime isn't just a single genre.

Most American animation is geared towards kids or it is a comedy for Adults. Name one American Cartoon that is aired on Cable within the past few years that is like Cowboy Bebop, Death Note, Eureka 7, etc? See the problem? This is why that some anime fans don't like American animation, it just doesn't suit them. I like American Animation to a degree, but it is limiting. There is only so much with Adult comedies then can do. Afro Samurai isn't a American product, I was surprised when I heard that. Takashi Okazaki came up with the series. Lets put it this way, one huge reason why anime fans in general love anime and aren't a big fan of US cartoons, anime does things that most US cartoons don't really do. US cartoons NOW can get away with these things, but outside of the controversial comedic cartoon like South Park, you don't see those kind of things in US cartoons.

Anime gets "special" treatment cause fans of anime love it. It is no different than fans of anything giving the special treatment cause they love it. Sure it is a broader stroke with anime (cause it houses many genres), but how a anime fan defending and loving anime is no different than someone defending and loving their favorite team or movie. It is special to them. It isn't really Anime vs the world as more in Anime vs US cartoons. I can't name a Indian cartoon, or a Brazilian Cartoon. If you can, is it popular in the world today? Shown in many different countries? I can sure name of anime and US cartoons. Just because it has its own section in a store doesn't make it better or is being put on a pedestal. Fans will past up US cartoons cause what they have seen from past US cartoons. Yes it is wrong, but that is how it is. I can give you a non-anime example, Soccer. It is consider the "World's sport" but most people in the US find it boring and uninteresting. Most US sports fans would rather watch a "boring" American football game, then a "exciting" soccer match. Why is that, cause it is soccer. This is like how most anime fans won't watch US cartoons cause it is a US cartoon. People segregate in general, that is how people are.  It isn't like US animation gets shafted by other countries. Disney is a big presence in of different countries. Mickey Mouse is one of the most iconic characters ever created. The Boondocks is dubbed and is released in Japan. Weird yes, but true.

Again, pure and simple truth. And BTW, Disney is a big presence in of different countries, EVEN IN JAPAN ITSELF.

[[Asian-Jesus]]

Ryu, weeaboos do those japanese things BECAUSE of anime. I mean, there's kids who think they're gangsters because of rap, etc.

[KPT25]

Ryu, weeaboos do those japanese things BECAUSE of anime. I mean, there's kids who think they're gangsters because of rap, etc.

...that`s right...anyway,i agree on what Ryu#19 said:overall we are all just fans of something right(comics,sci-fi,anime,sports,music...).It can`t be helped that ppl who don`t share your same point of view might think the content on the other side is bad...most of the time i don`t do this,unless i find it boring or irritating(example:naruto fans vs bleach fans,i hate the first one and love the second one,i don`t find 9000 diff ninjas pulling a "jutsu" out of nowhere to kill you interesting... )

[Jelux Da Casual]

Ryu, weeaboos do those japanese things BECAUSE of anime. I mean, there's kids who think they're gangsters because of rap, etc.

...that`s right...anyway,i agree on what Ryu#19 said:overall we are all just fans of something right(comics,sci-fi,anime,sports,music...).It can`t be helped that ppl who don`t share your same point of view might think the content on the other side is bad...most of the time i don`t do this,unless i find it boring or irritating(example:naruto fans vs bleach fans,i hate the first one and love the second one,i don`t find 9000 diff ninjas pulling a "jutsu" out of nowhere to kill you interesting... )

What if you found OVER 9000!?!(111one)

Lol.

@ Ryu #19:

I still don't see how I'm "bashing on anime" cause if I really wanted to, I would. But I've got no reason to do so. I enjoy watching anime, but in the same vein, I enjoy animation in general. The statement you quoted IS bashing on the elitest mentality that a good amount of fans fall victim to, I can't deny that.

[Ryu # 20]

Ryu, weeaboos do those japanese things BECAUSE of anime. I mean, there's kids who think they're gangsters because of rap, etc.

O.K., but there's no point in talking *specifically* about anime. That's what I meant to say.

@ Ryu #19:

I still don't see how I'm "bashing on anime" cause if I really wanted to, I would. But I've got no reason to do so. I enjoy watching anime, but in the same vein, I enjoy animation in general. The statement you quoted IS bashing on the elitest mentality that a good amount of fans fall victim to, I can't deny that.

Right. I see that you were not adressing anime specifically, just the brainwashed-otaku fans, so I admit I've said something wrong.

There's an elitist mentality almost in every fandom or culture. Which doesn't mean we have to bring up the anime case as something special where same thing happens in other fields.

Anyways thank goodness there was no flaming in my behalf (or at least I think) or in others'. Forgive me if I have flamed/insulted/offended anyone.

[Nutty-Da-Kid]

there is a reason to talk just about anime because in some cases ppl cant controll them selves like in the early 90s they tried to bann tupacs music because his lyrics caused a lot of ppl to kill ppl and they would say his lyrics highly influinced them.  same wit anime i dont have nothing against it i just dont like how they make all da girls wit gicantic tits and crap its like fake butt porn pretty annoying.