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Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on March 05, 2009, 11:43:04 AM
Yoda & Vader in Soul Calibur was utterly stupid . For one thing , Yoda is totally broken & not balanced at all .
 The fact that Vader is on the actual 360 disc & you can't play him is even more stupid .
 Then the fact that they are going to make you buy Vader online when he's on the disc is very stupid .
The fact that they haven't released their scam Vader on 360 when a hacker was playing with him on 360 a week after thegamewas released , is even more foolish .
 
Namco sucks . I loved Soul Calibur until all this . What else do they have as a fighter ? Oh that's right that garbage Tekken . I've been burnt on that series since Tekken 3 .   

I thought MK vs DC was pretty decent . I was surprised it was as good as it was . Since Midway seemed to just destroy the MK universe more & more with each new arrival . I thought they did things right with MK vs DC & were back on the right track . Too bad they are gong under .

Remaking MK 1 or 2 & modernizing it , but still being 2d would be the best option on the MK series for Midway or whoever buys the series . They have to go back to the roots of what made the series popular .

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Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gaijin on March 05, 2009, 03:48:38 PM
Yoda & Vader in Soul Calibur was utterly stupid . For one thing , Yoda is totally broken & not balanced at all .
 The fact that Vader is on the actual 360 disc & you can't play him is even more stupid .
 Then the fact that they are going to make you buy Vader online when he's on the disc is very stupid .
The fact that they haven't released their scam Vader on 360 when a hacker was playing with him on 360 a week after thegamewas released , is even more foolish .
 
Namco sucks . I loved Soul Calibur until all this . What else do they have as a fighter ? Oh that's right that garbage Tekken . I've been burnt on that series since Tekken 3 .   

I thought MK vs DC was pretty decent . I was surprised it was as good as it was . Since Midway seemed to just destroy the MK universe more & more with each new arrival . I thought they did things right with MK vs DC & were back on the right track . Too bad they are gong under .

Remaking MK 1 or 2 & modernizing it , but still being 2d would be the best option on the MK series for Midway or whoever buys the series . They have to go back to the roots of what made the series popular .

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though i respect ur opinion yoda is totally not broken....how do i know??? because i play yoda and he is in no way broken and unbalnced. you probably say that because either you dont know what to do against him or ur mad because you cant grab and your options become limited the moment yoda steps on the seen. yoda is by far the hardest character to play in sc4 due to his health being low and his height though is his advantage it is also his disadvantage. he is quite easily rung out and all good players know this. he is the esiest to critical finish...(just 4 heavy attack and critical finish) but you wanna call him broken and unbalanced.  dude come on. u must have lost to a yoda player or something. my yoda is really good and i can go head to head with pros but yoda is limited is someways but limitless in others.  u have no idea how much work it is to finish any opponent in sc4 when i play with yoda. the pros kill yoda easily...in case u have noticed none of them use him for that reason alone. yoda is my fav next to xianghua but im not sayin gthat because of that. tekken is another great series. the only one i can truly recall that sucked in the whole series was tekken 4. that game had so many cheap imbalances it wasnt even funny. i agree with you on them doing a 2d but modernizing it
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: EPA villian on March 05, 2009, 08:22:37 PM
though i respect ur opinion yoda is totally not broken....how do i know??? because i play yoda and he is in no way broken and unbalnced. you probably say that because either you dont know what to do against him or ur mad because you cant grab and your options become limited the moment yoda steps on the seen. yoda is by far the hardest character to play in sc4 due to his health being low and his height though is his advantage it is also his disadvantage. he is quite easily rung out and all good players know this. he is the esiest to critical finish...(just 4 heavy attack and critical finish) but you wanna call him broken and unbalanced.  dude come on. u must have lost to a yoda player or something. my yoda is really good and i can go head to head with pros but yoda is limited is someways but limitless in others.  u have no idea how much work it is to finish any opponent in sc4 when i play with yoda. the pros kill yoda easily...in case u have noticed none of them use him for that reason alone. yoda is my fav next to xianghua but im not sayin gthat because of that. tekken is another great series. the only one i can truly recall that sucked in the whole series was tekken 4. that game had so many cheap imbalances it wasnt even funny. i agree with you on them doing a 2d but modernizing it

yea i'm a truly devoted tekken fan man and i  owned every tekken that ever came out me and nut  are almost unbeatable.. well nutty is at least lol. im good but not as good as him, Tekken is very well balanced and u cant win by mashing when it comes to soul calibur well im just gonna say it i think it sucks.. The combo system is not that good and all u really have to do is mash to win *cough voldo and maxi Cough* and dont say its because i suck because thats not the reason i was a real big fan of the game and i am good im not the average player. Its just that voldo is almost never open when hes mashing especially when hes turned around. I wish they would take all the good characters from soul calibur and put it in tekken or at least make Soul Calibur vs tekken with tekken gameplay. Well at least we can except Tekken vs Virtua Fighter Soon  ^-^ The 2 leaders of both games are friends and said they would like to try it once they have talked about it a lot.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: ClubSyN-X-TReME on March 10, 2009, 06:12:45 PM
I would prefer Namco to purchase the franchise rather than capcom.

I don't want to see MK characters do a raging demon, we already have enough stupid @&*! in mugen.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Tenspeed on March 12, 2009, 08:31:23 AM
personally I would prefer that MK be laid to rest before it gets any more ridiculous.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Serious Cat on March 12, 2009, 08:39:06 AM
MK needs to go back to roots. Srsly, if anyone bought it and turned it back to when Boon and Tobias were still working on it together, then it would be awesome again. I have to agree with DT.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Kid Chyllen™♪ on March 17, 2009, 07:51:08 PM
Namco should buy MK =D>. Period.
It would be interesting to see what they could do with a MK9.
Or,
Maybe (if they buy it) they should just Start the MK series all over again.

IDK
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gaijin on March 18, 2009, 12:44:26 PM
you know what....thats the best idea i heard so far. if namco bought it....that means better graphics advanced gameplay to make mk more fun and killer fatalities plus a more realistic comboing system mixed with old mk combos. it would be a new mk all together. i think that would be a great choice. hmm i need to make friends with those namco guys......
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: EPA villian on March 18, 2009, 12:48:09 PM
Namco should buy MK =D>. Period.
It would be interesting to see what they could do with a MK9.
Or,
Maybe (if they buy it) they should just Start the MK series all over again.

IDK


Lulz like i said midway is working on mk9 right now =/ if it even gets to be released it has to be a damn good game.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on March 22, 2009, 09:58:07 AM
good, Midway needs to be punished after making the last two terrible MK games
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Tenspeed on March 23, 2009, 01:49:22 AM
though i respect ur opinion yoda is totally not broken....how do i know??? because i play yoda and he is in no way broken and unbalnced.

yeah, a character who can't be hit by high attacks or throws, and who's grab dodges low attacks is totally balanced. Astaroth loves fighting him.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: ♦ßlôödÑinjå♦ on March 23, 2009, 01:51:35 AM
yeah, a character who can't be hit by high attacks or throws, and who's grab dodges low attacks is totally balanced. Astaroth loves fighting him.
What you just said just sounds like  a description of Leopaldon.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: BigJ on March 23, 2009, 11:50:06 PM
yeah, a character who can't be hit by high attacks or throws, and who's grab dodges low attacks is totally balanced. Astaroth loves fighting him.

lol

What the hell are you smoking Gaijin?
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: ClubSyN-X-TReME on March 24, 2009, 08:43:21 AM
Its obvious whatever character Gaijin plays as isnt broken/cheap/unbalanced in his eyes no matter how much PROOF is infront of him.

"Points to the SF4 thread also."
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Akeme on March 24, 2009, 10:27:33 AM
Hmmm from the posts that i am ready it seems that either most of or some of you guys are not that good in sc4 or just don't know what to do against yoda. I have no trouble against yoda all you have to use is mind games and vertical attacks that's it and he is not cheap at all. If you don't believe me pick yoda and fight me and you will see heheheh.
Its obvious whatever character Gaijin plays as isnt broken/cheap/unbalanced in his eyes no matter how much PROOF is infront of him.

"Points to the SF4 thread also."
Hmmm Not true
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on March 24, 2009, 11:07:02 AM
Hmmm from the posts that i am ready it seems that either most of or some of you guys are not that good in sc4 or just don't know what to do against yoda. I have no trouble against yoda all you have to use is mind games and vertical attacks that's it and he is not cheap at all. If you don't believe me pick yoda and fight me and you will see heheheh.Hmmm Not true

I've never been beat by Yoda , so it's not sour grapes .

As a matter of fact I either play Taki or Yoda . I'm a Yoda player & I can admit he is totally broken . that's the only reason I play as him .  ;*))

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Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: ClubSyN-X-TReME on March 24, 2009, 12:13:48 PM
Hmmm from the posts that i am ready it seems that either most of or some of you guys are not that good in sc4 or just don't know what to do against yoda. I have no trouble against yoda all you have to use is mind games and vertical attacks that's it and he is not cheap at all. If you don't believe me pick yoda and fight me and you will see heheheh.Hmmm Not true

what DT said. :)
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Tenspeed on March 24, 2009, 11:30:53 PM
Hmmm from the posts that i am ready it seems that either most of or some of you guys are not that good in sc4 or just don't know what to do against yoda. I have no trouble against yoda all you have to use is mind games and vertical attacks that's it and he is not cheap at all. If you don't believe me pick yoda and fight me and you will see heheheh.Hmmm Not true

when you make a game that has a specific system or set of rules, it's usually a very bad move to make a character that breaks those rules. It's bad character design. If everyone else in the game follow the base, the character that doesn't will have terrible fights. I'm an Astaroth player. I may not be the best ever, but I know a bit, and one of the golden rules that I was taught with Astaroth is to take advantage of his great throws. Another thing is that Astaroth's long wind up is balanced out by giving him great sweeping range and the power to move your opponent around the arena with such attacks. They begin to fall for these attacks because you put the fear of being thrown into them. They expect you to throw them when close, and that gives you time to wind up for your huge attacks.

So now, if you take Astaroth's two strengths away from him by having him fight a character who doesn't have to fear throws, and who most sweeping horizontals will go over his head, what kind of a match will Astaroth have? Sure, you can win the fight by poking with low attacks and hoping to land one of Astaroth's huge verticals, but it's going to be a terrible fight.

A good example of this is picking a boss in MK Trilogy. You immediately have an advantage because your attacks knock the opponent across the screen and you only stumble from attacks that would knock a normal person over. Motaro can't even be hit with projectiles, and I think most bosses aren't affected my a lot of specials. I could beat you, but it's not the same as having a fight with two normal characters, who both follow the same rules and who all attacks work on properly.

Namco should have tried to choose characters that would have fit into the fighting system that they've established instead of bending and breaking their system to accommodate a popular character that was put in to boost sales.

Back on topic though, I hope the new MK game is taken in a new direction... like this:

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Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Akeme on March 24, 2009, 11:49:02 PM
True in what you are saying tenspeed and correct. for an astaroth player though you cannot throw or use horizontal it doesn't make yoda broken it actually makes the battle easier for you meaning all you have to do if astaroth tackle all day or his lows and mix it up with verticals and that's it.

On topic: I hope mk does impress and wow us but that is what they said last time and we all saw what happend to miday after making mk vs dc
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gaijin on March 24, 2009, 11:58:11 PM
perhaps u dont know that the way to beat yoda is not to use horizontal attacks. yoda actually makes it mostly easy for most opponents to kill him.  ur just not doing the right attacks. with astaroth (however u spell it) just press forward, forward, O and watch yoda die lol unless ur opponent knows what hes doing but even then yoda is a disadvantage. why is it yoda is rated as the suckiest character in soul calibur? its because all someone has to do is use verticals and lows and yoda cant do crap. plus he has low life and is easily critical finished. saying yoda is broken just shows either u faced against ppl that dont know what to do or u dont know what do against it
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Nutty-Da-Kid on March 25, 2009, 12:22:48 AM
True in what you are saying tenspeed and correct. for an astaroth player though you cannot throw or use horizontal it doesn't make yoda broken it actually makes the battle easier for you meaning all you have to do if astaroth tackle all day or his lows and mix it up with verticals and that's it.

On topic: I hope mk does impress and wow us but that is what they said last time and we all saw what happend to miday after making mk vs dc

yea but that would make him pretty predictable dont you think?
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gaijin on March 25, 2009, 12:52:58 AM
not if u mix it up properly. thats where the mind games can truely shine. u would be amazed at how significantly less moves pl use on yoda. u can use 3 moves and beat him. ivy utterly rapes him.  even some masters only use 3 moves but they have a large amount of setups with those moves. if he can be unpredictable with only 3 moves then trust me he can too or should i say anyone can
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Tenspeed on March 25, 2009, 02:00:18 AM
yeah, but where's the fun in that? it's like two people playing MK and just doing jump kicks and sweeps all day, or picking akuma in street fighter 4 and throwing air fireballs nonstop. yoda breaks soul calibur. Even if you can beat him, even if he sucks, he breaks the gameplay.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: ClubSyN-X-TReME on March 25, 2009, 02:09:45 AM
yeah, but where's the fun in that? it's like two people playing MK and just doing jump kicks and sweeps all day, or picking akuma in street fighter 4 and throwing air fireballs nonstop. yoda breaks soul calibur. Even if you can beat him, even if he sucks, he breaks the gameplay.

..........Just give it up, they will justify him not being broken, unbalanced, etc no matter how many flaws we point out. And this is not the first time. It's like they need an excuse to use overly broken and abusive chars in any game period. Give me a break.

Atleast DT admits he uses those type of characters for those purposes alone knowing damn well they are.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Tenspeed on March 25, 2009, 02:12:52 AM
yeah, I guess you're right. This has all gotten horribly off topic anyway.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Akeme on March 25, 2009, 02:20:51 AM
..........Just give it up, they will justify him not being broken, unbalanced, etc no matter how many flaws we point out. And this is not the first time. It's like they need an excuse to use overly broken and abusive chars in any game period. Give me a break.

Atleast DT admits he uses those type of characters for those purposes alone knowing damn well they are.
@Syn it is alright man relax, i do not use these so called broken chars and saying all this as an excuse to just use them. I am just trying to clarify that yoda or spamming chars can be beaten and yes it makes the game boring but it is not like you fight yoda every day like you do on sf4 with ken, ryu and akuma. Basically i agree with you on what you and others are saying but at the same time just remember they are in the game and if they bother you just completely obliterate them or just kick them out.

On topic: There was a rumor that more info on mk9 or whatever was to be released at this year's E3, let's just hope they pull through this time [-O<
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Tenspeed on March 25, 2009, 02:42:12 AM
actually, the reason I don't play SCIV online is because every fight was either yoda, taki, or cervantes.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Akeme on March 25, 2009, 02:49:42 AM
actually, the reason I don't play SCIV online is because every fight was either yoda, taki, or cervantes.
That sucks sorry man.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: ♦ßlôödÑinjå♦ on March 25, 2009, 02:55:13 AM
actually, the reason I don't play SCIV online is because every fight was either yoda, taki, or cervantes.
You should try Mk VS , Dc then

It's either Scorpion or flash
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Akeme on March 25, 2009, 03:20:41 AM
You should try Mk VS , Dc then

It's either Scorpion or flash
True so true ;)
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Tenspeed on March 25, 2009, 03:27:29 AM
I learned my lesson REALLY FAST with that game.

It was ironic because my main characters were flash, green lantern, and captain marvel. It was funny because every time I picked flash people would drop, and I didn't know why until I started playing as the other two and fought like eight flashes in a row.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Akeme on March 25, 2009, 03:30:30 AM
I learned my lesson REALLY FAST with that game.

It was ironic because my main characters were flash, green lantern, and captain marvel. It was funny because every time I picked flash people would drop, and I didn't know why until I started playing as the other two and fought like eight flashes in a row.
Hhahahah
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: ♦ßlôödÑinjå♦ on March 25, 2009, 05:50:33 AM
I learned my lesson REALLY FAST with that game.

It was ironic because my main characters were flash, green lantern, and captain marvel. It was funny because every time I picked flash people would drop, and I didn't know why until I started playing as the other two and fought like eight flashes in a row.
Not only that everytime i picked flash people seemed to always pick scorpion.

Why?

Because They spam there inferno attack and since flash has no Projectile moves The flash player might as well quit the match.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Nutty-Da-Kid on March 25, 2009, 10:29:59 AM
@Syn it is alright man relax, i do not use these so called broken chars and saying all this as an excuse to just use them. I am just trying to clarify that yoda or spamming chars can be beaten and yes it makes the game boring but it is not like you fight yoda every day like you do on sf4 with ken, ryu and akuma. Basically i agree with you on what you and others are saying but at the same time just remember they are in the game and if they bother you just completely obliterate them or just kick them out.

On topic: There was a rumor that more info on mk9 or whatever was to be released at this year's E3, let's just hope they pull through this time [-O<


yoda in soul calibur was just like how gon was in tekken 3. Hes beatable but u have to work harder to beat him then any other character which makes them cheap.. And i know flash is cheap but i don think scorpion is too cheap. A game needs to be well balanced everyone has to have a certain balance. Having a tiny @ss strong @ss character not really balanced im sure u would think the same thing if someone hacked yoda into the game and u fought him..
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: mastamasta on March 25, 2009, 10:47:24 AM
lol look at you guys.....do you really need to be handed everything...a challange is what makes the game good....you call it broken or cheesy becuase your character cant do what your opponent does. get ya game up..lol


 >:-(-|

who has MK vs DC for xbox360....hit him up with your gamertag...and well get some matchs going.




Post Merge: March 25, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
Not only that everytime i picked flash people seemed to always pick scorpion.

Why?

Because They spam there inferno attack and since flash has no Projectile moves The flash player might as well quit the match.

???? i dont know about that...if you let someone spam you with that attack, then your an idiot..straight up.



(http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Forum_345/Themes/default/images/warnwarn.gif)  Sorry to say , You are warned for this . Debating is one thing , insulting other members by " name calling "  is a whole different story .
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Nutty-Da-Kid on March 25, 2009, 10:52:58 AM
lol look at you guys.....do you really need to be handed everything...a challange is what makes the game good....you call it broken or cheesy becuase your character cant do what your opponent does. get ya game up..lol


 >:-(-|

who has MK vs DC for xbox360....hit him up with your gamertag...and well get some matchs going.




Post Merge: March 25, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
???? i dont know about that...if you let someone spam you with that attack, then your an idiot..straight up.




well its broken when one character has a huge advantage or handicap over everyone else... Plus its the fact that everyone tries to say hes not broken its not the fact that they are picking them. They just wont admit that he's not broken. They always gotta make excuses for them.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: ♦ßlôödÑinjå♦ on March 25, 2009, 04:08:40 PM
lol look at you guys.....do you really need to be handed everything...a challange is what makes the game good....you call it broken or cheesy becuase your character cant do what your opponent does. get ya game up..lol


 >:-(-|

who has MK vs DC for xbox360....hit him up with your gamertag...and well get some matchs going.




Post Merge: March 25, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
???? i dont know about that...if you let someone spam you with that attack, then your an idiot..straight up.



:D Your acting like you'll stop someone from using that attack.
What can flash do when scorp does that Nothing it's common sense.
stop trying to school everyone and out yourself in higher position.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Tenspeed on March 25, 2009, 09:16:24 PM
Gon was another character that shouldn't have been in a fighting game. same with Dr. Boskonowhatever. Like I keep saying, a character doesn't need to have a advantage or disadvantage necessarily for him to break the gameplay. People throw the word "broken" around too much when talking about cheap characters. Shao Kahn in MK3 is broken, because nothing phases him when it should. Magneto in MVC2 IS NOT broken, just because he has a ridiculous air combo reset ect. If you make a fighting system, all of your characters need to adhere to it. Look at brawl. you have all sorts of weird people from all sorts of weird games and universes, but they all follow the same rules. Sure there are small characters in that game, but it's not like 90 percent of the attacks in the game go over their head like small characters in most other games.

It's not a challenge to be unable to play a game the way it's meant to be played. If you and I were to play, and we both picked normal characters, and played our best, that would be one thing, but this is entirely different.


and mastamasta, don't come up in a topic like that and insult everyone just for having a discussion. that's plain childish.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gaijin on March 25, 2009, 10:24:39 PM
Gon was another character that shouldn't have been in a fighting game. same with Dr. Boskonowhatever. Like I keep saying, a character doesn't need to have a advantage or disadvantage necessarily for him to break the gameplay. People throw the word "broken" around too much when talking about cheap characters. Shao Kahn in MK3 is broken, because nothing phases him when it should. Magneto in MVC2 IS NOT broken, just because he has a ridiculous air combo reset ect. If you make a fighting system, all of your characters need to adhere to it. Look at brawl. you have all sorts of weird people from all sorts of weird games and universes, but they all follow the same rules. Sure there are small characters in that game, but it's not like 90 percent of the attacks in the game go over their head like small characters in most other games.

It's not a challenge to be unable to play a game the way it's meant to be played. If you and I were to play, and we both picked normal characters, and played our best, that would be one thing, but this is entirely different.


and mastamasta, don't come up in a topic like that and insult everyone just for having a discussion. that's plain childish.
in brawl the best most cheapest character is metaknight. he breaks the rules in a variety of ways with minimal to 0 zero lag moves and killing low percentages moves that override everyones attacks and end in no lag. they tried to balance him by making him light weight but that doesnt matter since his DI can sometimes net him the possibity of lasting longer that most characters.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Tenspeed on March 25, 2009, 11:08:06 PM
He's cheap, but he still follows the rules of the game. it's not like the game won't let you throw him or something, you know what I mean?
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gaijin on March 25, 2009, 11:28:18 PM
yeah but at the same time normal tap hits that hit him take off considerable damage
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: MaverickZr0 on March 25, 2009, 11:30:15 PM
I don't think MK is cheap, He gets handled really easily :x
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on March 25, 2009, 11:34:01 PM
..........Just give it up, they will justify him not being broken, unbalanced, etc no matter how many flaws we point out. And this is not the first time. It's like they need an excuse to use overly broken and abusive chars in any game period. Give me a break.

Atleast DT admits he uses those type of characters for those purposes alone knowing damn well they are.

My excuse is when someone talks to much smack & gets under my skin . I bring out Yoda lol

Time for the broken beat down .

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Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: mastamasta on March 26, 2009, 09:05:11 AM
well its broken when one character has a huge advantage or handicap over everyone else... Plus its the fact that everyone tries to say hes not broken its not the fact that they are picking them. They just wont admit that he's not broken. They always gotta make excuses for them.

first off...i dont use yoda....namco WONT release a broken character...its just broken to you guys cause you cant beat him. thats not my fault.

:D Your acting like you'll stop someone from using that attack.
What can flash do when scorp does that Nothing it's common sense.
stop trying to school everyone and out yourself in higher position.

yes you will stop someone from using it, its called a low kick. i dont need to school anyone...this is the internet and a video game website, i cant even see how i would gain a higher position by telling you how to play your game....if you consistenly run into scorpion when he is doing that, than there is something wrong with you, and you need to learn how to play...i cant imagine someone running into his inferno attack a whole match...lol i would laugh if i saw that. i wasnt disrespecting you in general, i was just saying IN GENERAL...you would have to be an idiot to keep running into the same move over and over again...especially when it takes him like a second to do the move, you can see it coming from a mile away.

Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gaijin on March 26, 2009, 01:07:34 PM
I don't think MK is cheap, He gets handled really easily :x
not really. its only easy if someone doesnt know how to use him. but if you face against the like of say mew2king who is number 1 or 2 in the world then you will see how fast and easy meta can flow into one attack after another laglessly. marth is a good counter for him but the only other one is game and watch. it all depends on whos using and how they use him. meta clearly has the advantage over all the other characters. the only marth stands a chance is cuz of his counter move and speed.

on topic: i just wish they had gone with a more original cast with some new mk characters instead of DC ppl
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Tenspeed on March 27, 2009, 08:11:03 PM
first off...i dont use yoda....namco WONT release a broken character...its just broken to you guys cause you cant beat him. thats not my fault.


what stops namco form releasing a broken character?
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: ♦ßlôödÑinjå♦ on March 28, 2009, 02:20:21 AM
what stops namco form releasing a broken character?
It's fans?
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gaijin on March 28, 2009, 12:14:38 PM
True. Fans run the show because namco unlike most companies listen to their fans. I mean take tekken 6 for example...when it came out certain characters were over powered in the ppl opinions so namco started working on tekken 6 br which has changed damaged values for more balance. So yeah we the fans stop broken characters and we force them too fix what is broken. Yoda obviously isnt broken so thats why he hasnt been fixed.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on March 28, 2009, 12:57:17 PM
True. Fans run the show because namco unlike most companies listen to their fans. I mean take tekken 6 for example...when it came out certain characters were over powered in the ppl opinions so namco started working on tekken 6 br which has changed damaged values for more balance. So yeah we the fans stop broken characters and we force them too fix what is broken. Yoda obviously isnt broken so thats why he hasnt been fixed.

A more false statement has never been made when it comes to this game . I really think Namco just wants to give up on this latest installment of Soul Calibur because of the Vader fiasco . Darth Vader is on the 360 disc . A hacker showed vids of him playing as Vader on 360 . Namco threatend him to take the vid down . I looked at the files on the disc & there are Vader files . So everyone was mad that they would have to pay for Vader as Downloadable content even though he is already on the disc . Namco still hasn't released Vader as far as I know . So Soul Calibur with Star Wars characters is a " write off " an experimant gone bad .

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Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gaijin on March 28, 2009, 01:09:43 PM
so are u saying that we cant keep namco from producing cheapness????? When they have already fixed so many cheap infinites sc and fixed the tekken system if its up and coming game because the fans wanted it to be changed? That statement is not false. If you read into it then you will see. Namco wise the fans dictate whether or not some stuff will be changed or not. By now if its in the game its not cheap. Just because a few ppl cant deal with it doesnt make it cheap
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gate on March 28, 2009, 01:12:08 PM
first off...i dont use yoda....namco WONT release a broken character...its just broken to you guys cause you cant beat him. thats not my fault.

Tekken 3 Eddy is broken and most of Tekken 2 cast in Tekken Tag is unbalanced.

Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gaijin on March 28, 2009, 01:14:34 PM
this was before they released the ps3 stuff which allows them now to patch games with fixes automatically
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on March 28, 2009, 01:20:25 PM
so are u saying that we cant keep namco from producing cheapness????? When they have already fixed so many cheap infinites sc and fixed the tekken system if its up and coming game because the fans wanted it to be changed? That statement is not false. If you read into it then you will see. Namco wise the fans dictate whether or not some stuff will be changed or not. By now if its in the game its not cheap. Just because a few ppl cant deal with it doesnt make it cheap

What I'm saying Is your theory falls short that namco would " fix " Yoda if he was cheap . Yoda is cheap . I really think Namco has done nothing to fix him, if that's what they truly do . Because they aren't really messing with Soul Calibur at this present moment . They are letting all the heat die down from the Vader chaos .

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Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gate on March 28, 2009, 01:24:38 PM
Patching games in home consoles is the worst thing that have happened in the last years. The companys launch incomplete games, or with blocked content and charge more to unlock these features. I miss the time where games are released complete.

I'm thinking skipping this generation. Pricey consoles, a lot of useless funcions in consoles and poor games.
Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on March 28, 2009, 02:05:48 PM
Patching games in home consoles is the worst thing that have happened in the last years. The companys launch incomplete games, or with blocked content and charge more to unlock these features. I miss the time where games are released complete.

I'm thinking skipping this generation. Pricey consoles, a lot of useless funcions in consoles and poor games.

Next Generation is only going to get worse . I hear everything extra in a game you will have to pay for online . I hate this new trend in games , to tell you the truth . I get a game , I really don't want to have to pay for extra  stuff afterwards .

I hear this years Madden Football ,the ball can actually go flat & you will have to buy air for it online lol

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Title: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gaijin on March 28, 2009, 03:39:53 PM
Patching games in home consoles is the worst thing that have happened in the last years. The companys launch incomplete games, or with blocked content and charge more to unlock these features. I miss the time where games are released complete.

I'm thinking skipping this generation. Pricey consoles, a lot of useless funcions in consoles and poor games.
poor games? killzone 2 , heavenly sword, gta 4, dmc4, sf4, naruto ultimate ninja storm, re5, assassins creed....need i say more?
Title: Re: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: b.easy on March 28, 2009, 03:59:28 PM
lol this was getting way  >:-(-| for a few pages so I split it. Sorry guys.  :(|)
Title: Re: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on March 28, 2009, 05:07:21 PM
poor games? killzone 2 , heavenly sword, gta 4, dmc4, sf4, naruto ultimate ninja storm, re5, assassins creed....need i say more?

I'll give you RE5 , SF4 & DMC4 . GTA 4 also even though it's not my style of game . The rest  :-??

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Title: Re: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: KPT25 on March 28, 2009, 06:28:35 PM
notice something:nobody actually complained about Nintendo doing something similar,because they actually don't...take the next pokemon games as an example:Nintendo could totally charge for releasing special items to get certain pokemon,or even release certain event pokemon(Shaymin,Regigigas,Darkrai) but they decided not to:they give them out at events or even distribute them for free via wi-fi or at Pokemon Centers(in japan)

If only the rest of the companies learn that the key of that is free DLC...that's why the Wii and the DS are winning over the competition imo

NOTE:this is an example of what has to be done,i believe that some ports of certain games have DLC with price,like Protoman mode on MM9,but i think that by doing the challenges you can unlock it anyway,right?
Title: Re: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Vault-tec Rep Høröúßøí on March 28, 2009, 06:47:38 PM
I hear this years Madden Football ,the ball can actually go flat & you will have to buy air for it online lol

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:|... that would be kinda funny (it would be weird to say that I cant play cause of that, LOL)
Title: Re: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gate on March 28, 2009, 07:02:32 PM
poor games? killzone 2 , heavenly sword, gta 4, dmc4, sf4, naruto ultimate ninja storm, re5, assassins creed....need i say more?

First: The new generation consoles here are much expensive. I can count the quantity of people i know who has a X-Box 360, PS3 or Wii in one hand, and definitely the aumont of good titles isn't high.

And most of the games you've said are Sony games. The only Sony franchise i care about is Twisted Metal, other than that, they have a high miss ratio with me.

RE5 = I've heard it is more like RE4 than the old games of the franchise. I hate RE4.
GTA4 = Never been a GTA guy, sorry.
DMC4 = Too much poser for my tastes.
SF4 = I was excited until Ono said that Final Fight characters are out in and the confirmation of E.Honda, Blanka and other bland characters. Even with Gen, my favorite SF character in, i dont care anymore.

Actually i've only liked Super Smash Bros Brawl, Metroid Prime 3 and DS games in this generation. Other than these,  :-&
Title: Re: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gaijin on March 28, 2009, 07:32:05 PM
yeah i like brawl too ;D. yeah i know they were sony games...those were off the top of my head
Title: Re: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Tenspeed on March 29, 2009, 03:59:24 AM
It's fans?

I don't mean that they would release a broken character, but what stops it from happening incidentally? this guy makes it sound like it's totally humanly impossible for a broken character to be made by namco.

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poor games?  gta 4, dmc4, sf4,  re5....need i say more?

fixed.
Title: Re: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: Gaijin on March 29, 2009, 08:27:47 AM
I don't mean that they would release a broken character, but what stops it from happening incidentally? this guy makes it sound like it's totally humanly impossible for a broken character to be made by namco.

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fixed.
ahhh now i see what you are saying. i dont mean it like that. i mean that if they put out a cheap character and fans complain about it they will fix it or patch it up. the boss characters dont count though like algol for instance.
Title: Re: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on March 29, 2009, 08:43:10 AM
ahhh now i see what you are saying. i dont mean it like that. i mean that if they put out a cheap character and fans complain about it they will fix it or patch it up. the boss characters dont count though like algol for instance.

Like I said before . I don't think Namco wants to mess with Star Wars Soul Calibur right now . They want to push it aside & forget it happened for now . What they should do is release Vader already on the 360 for free , since he is already on the disc . That will make all of their problems involving that game go away .

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