Post by: ~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~ on July 05, 2008, 03:24:49 AM
He's giving him encouragement, because from what Ridureyu said, he was discouraged from making him because Kong made one. And failed miserably like every other creation of his.Honestly Kongu is surprisingly good considering how horrible Kong's work typically is.
The main problem with him is his hyper armor was done all wrong. And it makes him almost unbeatable since he can't be stunned hardly and is immune to being bound. I'm working on fixing that, though. (Hopefully I can)
I do hope Doggie makes Kongu, though. I'd rather have a quality author make these characters than fixed up versions made by trashy authors.
@ laughing iori
Kong's characters suck because they play noting like MvC at all. Also because he refuses to listen to any feedback at all. (His AI isn't very fair. Although it's easy enough to make your own so I don't think "bad" AI makes something suck)
He's always going to be a miserable excuse for a creator. Because he isn't even interested in improving. Probably in part due to the stupid people on infinity mugen who go "lolz nyce sh*t bro" Or "omfg best shyt evaaaa downloading now+1" Every time somebody releases something instead of actual feedback. (This sort of creates an illusion that bad work is actually good. And a creator might end up discarding honest feedback because of it)
It's sad, because as I said before his Kongu actually could be very nice I think. But since he won't update his stuff I'm sure he'll stay average unless somebody else fixes the problems and releases it themself.
Now, before anybody goes and says anything, i'd just like to say this, Kong you r a very talented creator and your works r very appreciated, as you can tell by how many people that have actually went and downloaded them and also who keep on wanting you to make even more, and i believe all of us at infinity really appreciate your hard work, so thank you....
Now back to the quote from mugenguild.... Now guys, do you see the part where it says, "Probably in part due to the stupid people on infinity mugen who go "lolz nyce sh*t bro" Or "omfg best shyt evaaaa downloading"
Now my thing is, this person on guild who goes by La Miss Fairy, said this about IMT.... And guys i got pissed cus she's disrespecting not only kong but basically anybody who likes kong's work here at IMT....
Now we have a right to speak our opinion about characters that r made for mugen, but its supposed to be helpful feedback, not disrespecting others in the process which is really >>> >:-(-|... Not getting online and saying stuff like "Those stupid people at IMT" or let alone saying anything about Kong.... >:( >:(
My point is this, we here at IMT won't even let our own members disrespect others from another forum on topics, and if it does happen their topic or comments gets deleted. So those guys need to keep their members in check, cus that bad mouthing isn't cool... not cool at all..... \-/o \-/o \-/o
Post by: Scar on July 05, 2008, 03:38:33 AM
Post by: ♦ßlôödÑinjå♦ on July 05, 2008, 03:39:43 AM
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on July 05, 2008, 03:40:13 AM
Just chalk this whole thing up to "LOLINTERNET"
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on July 05, 2008, 04:42:04 AM
I mean I can understand if a char is broken as hell (like the Neo that was made for MUGEN), but I think it's just ridiculous when somebody just points out to creators who actually have the balls to get most of the sounds, and coding right, and flame them.
I would like to see these retarded arrogant perfectionists (I like to call them "stupid internet people" when I'm talking to someone in rl) to stop shooting off their mouths get off their lazy hides and make characters the way they think they should be, or just shut the hell up.
I could say the same thing for a lot other communities out there.
Like I saw this retarded feedback on one of my JKA vids about how Szico VII did a horrible job with Midgar v3...
I just simply told him to shut the hell up. It took Szico VII's entire team to do that map over a year, I think that may have set the record for the wip length of a JKA map.
Post by: Ryu # 20 on July 05, 2008, 10:56:55 AM
Post by: The Great Matsutzu on July 05, 2008, 11:31:59 AM
There's tons of different factors.
That being said, Kong does what he likes and what he enjoys doing; creating the chars the way he envisions them. I doubt a little bit of negative feedback will effect him. He's got incredible drive and work ethic. And hey, we're all guilty of not updating our releases from time to time. Sure, updates are nice, but no one is entiltled to get a character continiuously updated. There's other projects a creator might want to move to, or he/she might even need a bit of a break at times.
(This coming from one who hardly ever updates his released creations, of course :-[)
So,in short, people will talk. The trick is knowing what feedback is constructive and what is not. Well, that's just my two cents.
Post by: Marancv on July 05, 2008, 11:39:50 AM
"those stupid ppl at imt who says "blabla...when something is released"
to know that...they actually has to be imt members xD
but meh, dont sweat it man, ppl will always talk shyt, "no one is a gold coin"...
Post by: Alexziq on July 05, 2008, 12:28:56 PM
Weve finally got it where everybody here at Infinity gets along pretty well these days.
Screw everything else.
Post by: shinra358 on July 05, 2008, 12:50:16 PM
Post by: Sasuke-kun on July 05, 2008, 01:00:33 PM
If Kong is unaffected by them... Why should we care about it too?
Post by: The Great Matsutzu on July 05, 2008, 01:08:22 PM
Just ignore this people...
If Kong is unaffected by them... Why should we care about it too?
^^(PM)^ Exactly the point I was trying to make, but you've made it a lot more to the point (Whereas I always ramble... ;*)))
Post by: Sasuke-kun on July 05, 2008, 01:16:58 PM
Sometimes... I think he is just jealous that I know how to explain the same stuff that him but without boring my classmates. :-" ;*))
Post by: BlizzardTora on July 05, 2008, 01:21:54 PM
I try to be honest about the creations of IMT. I try to give good suggestions. For instance the Cyberbots and Pocket Fighters chars do have impossible hyper armor and invinciblity but these were created long ago and IMT has improved since and moved along to other things.
I figure EOH isnt done yet. Its like making a real game, testing and editing comes after all the ideas are in place.
Kong just keep working on what your working then take those words as a learning exp. Update your stuff so they have nothing to bee-otch about.
Post by: Sub-Zero on July 05, 2008, 03:25:05 PM
Post by: Weapon x program on July 05, 2008, 03:34:38 PM
I don t like his juggernault, but having two characters in my screenpacks is a symbol of pure genius. ::fight::
Post by: tremainekr on July 05, 2008, 03:55:14 PM
It's THIS simple: Before mouthing, create something yourself. And let the crowd decide.
same here. that trout-mouth son of a bi#@h,just expressing my opinon just like he did. shouldnt disrespect people.
Post by: Nutty-Da-Kid on July 05, 2008, 04:24:45 PM
Post by: KPT25 on July 05, 2008, 05:01:36 PM
Post by: tremainekr on July 05, 2008, 05:17:15 PM
easy guys,easy...if they are disrespecting kong,it`s up to them,let`s not play their game and keep it civilized...i don`t want to take measure because unappropiate language...understood?
understood
Post by: Alexziq on July 05, 2008, 06:47:48 PM
He's such a mental defect he thinks New ECW wrestling is better than the origional L-)
Post by: aa250 on July 05, 2008, 07:04:26 PM
@ALEXZIQ Jesuszilla and Ricezilla aren't the same person, but they have similar behavior. I don't respect neither one of them.
End of discussion. %%-
Post by: Whoblehwah on July 05, 2008, 07:47:36 PM
The Guild HA!
Post by: Lord Vader on July 06, 2008, 12:21:43 AM
As for Kong's creations, they are certainly not horrible as the person in that thread pointed out. In fact I'd say Storm and Omega-Red, as well as the Pocket Fighters are the best for Mugen so far. And I'd imagine the same goes for the Cyber Bots, even though I haven't downloaded them. However his recent Mugen creations such as Magneto, Sentinel, and Juggernaut have been riddled with bugs. I really do hope he fixes those problems because if he does they can be superb characters. Although I have to admit I think he faithfully converted his Darkstalker characters to MvC style quite well. In all, there are only 5-6 characters of his that aren't done well out of the 40 or so that he's done. Unfortunately those 5-6 are all of his MvC characters, the style I use the most in Mugen. I think if he sits down with those characters and takes his time with them they can certainly be fixed.
Post by: ~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~ on July 06, 2008, 04:19:46 AM
Post by: The Rippah, Roo'Jizah Panzermanathod on July 06, 2008, 04:37:13 AM
As far as bad mouthing Infinity, I'll say this: I've gone to Infinity, Guild, Infantry, and JS forums (well, I don't go to JS forums anymore). Of all the badmouth I've heard for each of the forums, some are BS, others are justified reasons.
But life doesn't give a care and keeps on going.
Post by: Angsty Meier Link on July 06, 2008, 05:19:11 AM
If they want to act like arrogant nazi's just let them, it only looks bad on them to mature people. If they want to hate on Infinity and our creators, well their loss right? We all know why were here and not at some of the other forums.
Post by: umarboy1991 on July 06, 2008, 05:20:50 AM
Post by: ~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~ on July 06, 2008, 05:22:33 AM
Post by: Young prince on July 06, 2008, 05:46:45 AM
Post by: The Rippah, Roo'Jizah Panzermanathod on July 06, 2008, 10:27:37 AM
Not liking his works is one thing, but clearly i wasn't the only one who saw the part about "Those stupid people at IMT"
You wasn't the only one, yes. But you didn't read the rest of it.
Probably in part due to the stupid people on infinity mugen who go "lolz nyce sh*t bro" Or "omfg best shyt evaaaa downloading now+1"
In context, only the people who just say Kongs stuff is good without giving real feedback is "Stupid", not everyone at IMT (unless everyone at IMT does do this, which I doubt). Of course, this doesn't make things much better. In any case, as others said, don't get all pissy because people don't like this forum. You're doing the same things some members of the guild does, among other forums.
Personally, I've only tried one of Kongs characters, so I can't say much.
Post by: ~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~ on July 06, 2008, 02:23:05 PM
And how am i doin the same thing that some do at other forums?..... Am i on here disrepecting people....
No....
Even though i named who said all of this stuff, am i disrespecting them, No, i'm merely saying that what they said wasn't cool, thats it....
Plus dude... even some Mods even agreed with me....Becuz they also thought it wasn't right....
Plus, the way i'm feeling now.... I don't care what anybody says about IMT, cus their just mad cus we're rockin over here :w00t: :w00t:
And if you notice i had posted about how i realized how some people were right about what they said in this topic about to not sweat it cus people r goin to say whatever they r goin to say regardless, just like even after i post this, you're goin to comeback and say whatever you're goin to say....(Now please don't take offense to what i have just said in all of this post cus i have no problem with you at all, i'm just stating my opinion and i realize that you r just stating yours.... i just disagree)
Post by: Theendgamelv3 on July 06, 2008, 02:36:01 PM
Post by: ~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~ on July 06, 2008, 02:39:42 PM
Sheeesh I never seen a creator get so much "love" lol. I have said this before that showed up. I saw that post you put up before and I was like eh. If people want to be haters, let them haters cause there isn't anything you can do about it.
And you kno what.... i calmed down a bit afterwards and i was like yeah, you guys r right....there isn't nothing you can do about it
Post by: shinrahunter on July 07, 2008, 11:14:11 AM
As for the badmouthin, many people still aren't over the fact that we used to be "a warehouse" (many moons ago), which to be brutally honest, doesn't bother me, I have no probs with "warehouses". But that's a whole other debate.
Post by: The Rippah, Roo'Jizah Panzermanathod on July 07, 2008, 12:08:32 PM
As for the badmouthin, many people still aren't over the fact that we used to be "a warehouse" (many moons ago), which to be brutally honest, doesn't bother me, I have no probs with "warehouses". But that's a whole other debate.
Actually, of all the badmouthing I hear, the fact that Infinity was once a warehouse had nothing to do with it. I've seen more people having problems with the way Infinity acts, not what it once was, nowadays.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on July 07, 2008, 12:55:31 PM
He's giving him encouragement, because from what Ridureyu said, he was discouraged from making him because Kong made one. And failed miserably like every other creation of his.
He's always going to be a miserable excuse for a creator. Because he isn't even interested in improving. Probably in part due to the stupid people on infinity mugen who go "lolz nyce sh*t bro" Or "omfg best shyt evaaaa downloading now+1"
I'm sorry because I must be blind, but I've never seen a +1 here on this site, so she obviously must be refering to MI. Like water of a duck man.
Post by: The Rippah, Roo'Jizah Panzermanathod on July 07, 2008, 01:08:21 PM
He's giving him encouragement, because from what Ridureyu said, he was discouraged from making him because Kong made one. And failed miserably like every other creation of his.
He's always going to be a miserable excuse for a creator. Because he isn't even interested in improving. Probably in part due to the stupid people on infinity mugen who go "lolz nyce sh*t bro" Or "omfg best shyt evaaaa downloading now+1"
I'm sorry because I must be blind, but I've never seen a +1 here on this site, so she obviously must be refering to MI. Like water of a duck man.
Actually, the "+1" thing is just a way of saying you agree, as I've seen it done on MFG before, and they don't have any karma... thingies.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on July 07, 2008, 01:42:37 PM
Post by: Gore Whore on July 07, 2008, 02:40:07 PM
Post by: shinra358 on July 07, 2008, 02:47:58 PM
Oh no, I get that. I'm saying no one here has ever said +1, never.
actually ive seen it hear before as well as everywhere else. the ppl who usually say it usually come from mugen-infantry or has been affiliated with them in some point and time. the term was even birthed there... it was its point of origin and its a fad that just spread like the plague. much like flavor flav's :"woooooooooooow"...
Post by: ~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~ on July 07, 2008, 02:54:19 PM
Oh no, I get that. I'm saying no one here has ever said +1, never.
actually ive seen it hear before as well as everywhere else. the ppl who usually say it usually come from mugen-infantry or has been affiliated with them in some point and time. the term was even birthed there... it was its point of origin and its a fad that just spread like the plague. much like flavor flav's :"woooooooooooow"...
;D >>>>> ;*)) >>> :D >>>>>>>>> :DxDie hahaha, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!! I kno right shinra ;*))
Post by: shinra358 on July 07, 2008, 02:57:06 PM
Oh no, I get that. I'm saying no one here has ever said +1, never.
actually ive seen it hear before as well as everywhere else. the ppl who usually say it usually come from mugen-infantry or has been affiliated with them in some point and time. the term was even birthed there... it was its point of origin and its a fad that just spread like the plague. much like flavor flav's :"woooooooooooow"...
;D >>>>> ;*)) >>> :D >>>>>>>>> :DxDie hahaha, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!! I kno right shinra ;*))
:P but i think that claude speed actually created it. i dont think he's affiliated with infantry anymore...i may be wrong but its more like they bought the copyright from speed lol.
Post by: juelz aka wolfi on July 07, 2008, 06:24:30 PM
Post by: Ioncat on July 07, 2008, 07:24:35 PM
Besides...
The Guild HA!
Post by: aa250 on July 08, 2008, 02:26:31 AM
Oh no, I get that. I'm saying no one here has ever said +1, never.
actually ive seen it hear before as well as everywhere else. the ppl who usually say it usually come from mugen-infantry or has been affiliated with them in some point and time. the term was even birthed there... it was its point of origin and its a fad that just spread like the plague. much like flavor flav's :"woooooooooooow"...
LMAO. :DxDie :DxDie :DxDie :DxDie :DxDie so true I like how this topic is going and it staying clean. %%-
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on July 08, 2008, 03:13:05 AM
Being insulted by the guild is like being insulted by a girlscout. It doesn't really matter as long as you keep getting cookies.
:DxDie :DxDie :DxDie :DxDie
That was good ! ;D
I can't believe that La Miss Fairy was dogging Kong . From what I read in her past posts she actually seemed kind of nice , until now . Some people do just hate on infinity . Must be jealousy .
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Post by: cHoMp on July 08, 2008, 03:21:15 AM
Post by: aa250 on July 08, 2008, 01:06:40 PM
http://www.mugen-infantry.net/forum/index.php?topic=108445.0 (http://www.mugen-infantry.net/forum/index.php?topic=108445.0)
Post by: ~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~ on July 08, 2008, 01:38:23 PM
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on July 08, 2008, 02:19:33 PM
is he/she even a creator?
She has created a few Red Warzard stages .
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Post by: MuηkyMØÜf on July 08, 2008, 02:54:28 PM
Probably in part due to the stupid people on infinity mugen who go "lolz nyce sh*t bro" Or "omfg best shyt evaaaa downloading now+1" Every time somebody releases something instead of actual feedback. (This sort of creates an illusion that bad work is actually good. And a creator might end up discarding honest feedback because of it)
Despite all the obviously unnecessary remarks that where made, there is some truth to this. More times there are a gang of posts, I myself have done so b4, where ppl say some sorta "OH poop" kinda deal with emoticons and thats it. Yes, it gets annoying, it happens everywhere and ppl can sy what they want.
Its a forum, what are you gonna do?
:-??
Its a forum, what are you gonna do?
:-??
I do side with the "illusion" part but not towards any author but for mugen in general. In short; this coulda been said w/o dissin anyone.
Kong & IMT
::salute::
Kong & IMT
::salute::
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on July 08, 2008, 04:31:29 PM
But i will tell you this, they r bad mouthing over their, but watch everybody come over here and try to download the new EOH when it comes out..... See what i mean?......... And as far as Kong oges, if he isn't worried about the comments then BLEEP!!! them... :-??
Agreed, watch them flock with their psuedo-accounts for the sole purpose of snagging a copy for themselves.
You know, I'm not that much of a fan of Kong's stuff either, I'll flat out admit that. But you don't see me going around b!7c#ing about it left and right all over every forum either. I try a release, I don't like it, I chuck it, I leave it at that.
Some people just have nothing better to do than complain or show off how huge they "think" their E-peen is because they want to be heard by someone who might actually give two $#!7$ is all.
Probably in part due to the stupid people on infinity mugen who go "lolz nyce sh*t bro" Or "omfg best shyt evaaaa downloading now+1" Every time somebody releases something instead of actual feedback. (This sort of creates an illusion that bad work is actually good. And a creator might end up discarding honest feedback because of it)Despite all the obviously unnecessary remarks that where made, there is some truth to this. More times there are a gang of posts, I myself have done so b4, where ppl say some sorta "OH poop" kinda deal with emoticons and thats it. Yes, it gets annoying, it happens everywhere and ppl can sy what they want.
Its a forum, what are you gonna do?
:-??
Yeah, I wrote a "Today on Why is It?" about that very subject. My first actually.
http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Forum_345/index.php?topic=7102.msg86137#msg86137
Post by: Error Macro on July 08, 2008, 04:51:47 PM
You know, I'm not that much of a fan of Kong's stuff either, I'll flat out admit that. But you don't see me going around b!7c#ing about it left and right all over every forum either. I try a release, I don't like it, I chuck it, I leave it at that.Same here, I don't even comment on it either. Just delete it and move on.
Post by: aa250 on July 08, 2008, 08:21:39 PM
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Agreed, watch them flock with their psuedo-accounts for the sole purpose of snagging a copy for themselves.
You know, I'm not that much of a fan of Kong's stuff either, I'll flat out admit that. But you don't see me going around b!7c#ing about it left and right all over every forum either. I try a release, I don't like it, I chuck it, I leave it at that.
Some people just have nothing better to do than complain or show off how huge they "think" their E-peen is because they want to be heard by someone who might actually give two $#!7$ is all.
+1 just kidding. :D exactly G-Lux some people just don't want to chuck it they rather just go around hating and everything. I mean come on a creator took his free time to actually make something to release to the public and then some people just troll it. Now there is a time in all of us when we download something and we think it not good. Some of chunk it some of us don't. It you aint going to say nothing nice don't say nothing at, but for some people it hard for that.LOL
Post by: Jesuszilla on July 08, 2008, 11:09:24 PM
@ALEXZIQ Jesuszilla and Ricezilla aren't the same person, but they have similar behavior. I don't respect neither one of them.
No, there's a huge difference. I don't announce crappy creations on a daily basis in an attempt to look important, plus I am able to tell who is awesome, an ability which he lacks.
Also that was a double negative so thanks for respecting me.
Regarding Kong, please, you act as if I'm the worst person when it comes to complaining how terrible he is. I could have torn apart his Rockman like you couldn't imagine, but it seems the community in general did my job for me, so I didn't.
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on July 08, 2008, 11:26:36 PM
@ALEXZIQ Jesuszilla and Ricezilla aren't the same person, but they have similar behavior. I don't respect neither one of them.
No, there's a huge difference. I don't announce crappy creations on a daily basis in an attempt to look important, plus I am able to tell who is awesome, an ability which he lacks.
Also that was a double negative so thanks for respecting me.
Regarding Kong, please, you act as if I'm the worst person when it comes to complaining how terrible he is. I could have torn apart his Rockman like you couldn't imagine, but it seems the community in general did my job for me, so I didn't.
Your kidding me right ? Is this Ricezilla ? Haven't you been banned for life from here ?
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G Lux: Quote corrected.
Post by: MaverickZr0 on July 08, 2008, 11:28:13 PM
He's not RiceZilla.@ALEXZIQ Jesuszilla and Ricezilla aren't the same person, but they have similar behavior. I don't respect neither one of them.
No, there's a huge difference. I don't announce crappy creations on a daily basis in an attempt to look important, plus I am able to tell who is awesome, an ability which he lacks.
Also that was a double negative so thanks for respecting me.
Regarding Kong, please, you act as if I'm the worst person when it comes to complaining how terrible he is. I could have torn apart his Rockman like you couldn't imagine, but it seems the community in general did my job for me, so I didn't.
Your kidding me right ? Is this Ricezilla ? Haven't you been banned for life from here ?
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/MedSpawn2.gif)
G Lux: Quote corrected.
Post by: Theendgamelv3 on July 08, 2008, 11:36:07 PM
Post by: Sasuke-kun on July 08, 2008, 11:53:53 PM
And hating Kong stuff is for free... 8=|
Post by: KPT25 on July 09, 2008, 12:03:58 AM
@Theendgamelv3:trolls are always there,regardless being random leechers or "well known" mugen creators... :-w
Because other hobbies are getting too expensive... <_<|...|^^(PM)^ you won the topic
And hating Kong stuff is for free... 8=|
Post by: Theendgamelv3 on July 09, 2008, 12:06:08 AM
Because other hobbies are getting too expensive... <_<|...|
And hating Kong stuff is for free... 8=|
Some of them are creators, I wish they would focus more on making characters then complain.
Post by: Tundra on July 09, 2008, 12:06:46 AM
Post by: shinra358 on July 09, 2008, 12:06:51 AM
@ALEXZIQ Jesuszilla and Ricezilla aren't the same person, but they have similar behavior. I don't respect neither one of them.
No, there's a huge difference. I don't announce crappy creations on a daily basis in an attempt to look important, plus I am able to tell who is awesome, an ability which he lacks.
Also that was a double negative so thanks for respecting me.
Regarding Kong, please, you act as if I'm the worst person when it comes to complaining how terrible he is. I could have torn apart his Rockman like you couldn't imagine, but it seems the community in general did my job for me, so I didn't.
well look who's here. my favorite person in tha whole world.... SAT YO butt DOWN BIATCH!!
Post by: Sasuke-kun on July 09, 2008, 12:09:07 AM
Calm down before a new flame war start around here please? :-w
Post by: shinra358 on July 09, 2008, 12:10:34 AM
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on July 09, 2008, 12:18:18 AM
The guild. I spit in the face of forum moderaters that don't want to be cool.
I forgot Carlito was a member here :-"
Thanx KPT for clearing that up . I thought Rice had come back under a different alias again . #:-S
Carry on ......
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Post by: MirageAtoli on July 09, 2008, 01:23:12 AM
plus I am able to tell who is awesome, an ability which he lacks.
Isn't this something that would be subjective?
Regarding Kong, please, you act as if I'm the worst person when it comes to complaining how terrible he is.
When you do complain are you complaining about a user or what character(s) he makes?
Post by: Lord Vader on July 09, 2008, 02:56:49 AM
Same thing goes with creating characters. He should spend much more time making a character instead of dishing one out since they are always riddled with bugs. I mean it gets annoying posting the same bugs over and over again if he's not listening. There are bugs that I discovered that have been there since he first made some of his characters that STILL have not been fixed. Creators like Warusaki and POTS regularly update their characters which is what Kong should be doing. You don't see them focusing entirely on the next release like Kong. Remember, quality>quantity.
Also, it's not just bugs that make Kong's creations the way they are, but things that make his characters look unprofessional. For example, for Cammy her select portrait isn't even the right color. Also, a lot of his moves are performed a different way than they were in the games. Now some people have said that this makes his characters original. This doesn't make his characters original at all. In fact it confuses the sh*t outta me because I'm trying to perform a move that I once knew how to do, but now I have no f'ing idea how to do it. And the fact that there's no readme to tell you how to do the moves doesn't help either. Super moves can only be performed with A+B and X+Y, not with any combination of kicks or punches? I mean, really, what's the point in changing the moveset? It doesn't make the character any better. Sorry if this sounds like a rant. Also for whoever says that I should change everything myself if I don't like it. Well, honestly, if things are wrong in the first place why should I have to change it? Shouldn't the creator take responsibility and change it him/herself?
PS: Remember this isn't for most of Kong's creations. As I have mentioned before I enjoyed Kong's Pocket Fighters and his first MvC characters like Storm and Omega-Red. But this "rant" (lol) applies to his later MvC creations which haven't been done as well such as M. Bison, Magneto, Juggernaut and Cammy.
Post by: Luis/Dshiznet on July 09, 2008, 03:01:44 AM
hey whats up kira.@ALEXZIQ Jesuszilla and Ricezilla aren't the same person, but they have similar behavior. I don't respect neither one of them.
No, there's a huge difference. I don't announce crappy creations on a daily basis in an attempt to look important, plus I am able to tell who is awesome, an ability which he lacks.
Also that was a double negative so thanks for respecting me.
Regarding Kong, please, you act as if I'm the worst person when it comes to complaining how terrible he is. I could have torn apart his Rockman like you couldn't imagine, but it seems the community in general did my job for me, so I didn't.
carry one with ur flaming ppl.
Post by: Angsty Meier Link on July 09, 2008, 04:15:48 AM
Now even though the attacks against Kong are uncalled for, I do think that Kong has some fault here. Besides the mindless namecalling in the guild and infantry forums, some users have posted that Kong doesn't fix bugs and update his characters as often as other creators (or at all sometimes), but lets others do it for him. I have to agree with this. I think if Kong takes the responsibility for himself, and instead of focusing on the next character immediatly after he finishes one, he should update his characters as much as he can.
Same thing goes with creating characters. He should spend much more time making a character instead of dishing one out since they are always riddled with bugs. I mean it gets annoying posting the same bugs over and over again if he's not listening. There are bugs that I discovered that have been there since he first made some of his characters that STILL have not been fixed. Creators like Warusaki and POTS regularly update their characters which is what Kong should be doing. You don't see them focusing entirely on the next release like Kong. Remember, quality>quantity.
Also, it's not just bugs that make Kong's creations the way they are, but things that make his characters look unprofessional. For example, for Cammy her select portrait isn't even the right color. Also, a lot of his moves are performed a different way than they were in the games. Now some people have said that this makes his characters original. This doesn't make his characters original at all. In fact it confuses the sh*t outta me because I'm trying to perform a move that I once knew how to do, but now I have no f'ing idea how to do it. And the fact that there's no readme to tell you how to do the moves doesn't help either. Super moves can only be performed with A+B and X+Y, not with any combination of kicks or punches? I mean, really, what's the point in changing the moveset? It doesn't make the character any better. Sorry if this sounds like a rant. Also for whoever says that I should change everything myself if I don't like it. Well, honestly, if things are wrong in the first place why should I have to change it? Shouldn't the creator take responsibility and change it him/herself?
PS: Remember this isn't for most of Kong's creations. As I have mentioned before I enjoyed Kong's Pocket Fighters and his first MvC characters like Storm and Omega-Red. But this "rant" (lol) applies to his later MvC creations which haven't been done as well such as M. Bison, Magneto, Juggernaut and Cammy.
Well to remind you that Mugen is just a hobby, why the hell should Kong adhere to any kind of standards? Why should he pander to anyone that says "this is what mugen characters should be like"? So what he changed the move set? So what its not like most mugen characters that are rigid and standard? Shouldn't this be something that is recognizable in a good way? How the hell can you discriminate against a creator that has a unique vision of his characters? Its taking a risk that a lot of mugen creators are afraid to if you ask me. And as for bugs, he puts it out, says here it is, and then says do what you want with it basically, on an acceptable level. He puts all his work out for the public to use, all his hard work. You know its not too hard to change the x+y to y+z if your so unhappy with that. You want to criticize, put something really f**k** good under your belt first.
Edit: Sorry Lord Vader I'm not tryin to single you out, this is a comment for everyone that should have this said to them.
Post by: Lord Vader on July 09, 2008, 04:48:17 AM
Now even though the attacks against Kong are uncalled for, I do think that Kong has some fault here. Besides the mindless namecalling in the guild and infantry forums, some users have posted that Kong doesn't fix bugs and update his characters as often as other creators (or at all sometimes), but lets others do it for him. I have to agree with this. I think if Kong takes the responsibility for himself, and instead of focusing on the next character immediatly after he finishes one, he should update his characters as much as he can.
Same thing goes with creating characters. He should spend much more time making a character instead of dishing one out since they are always riddled with bugs. I mean it gets annoying posting the same bugs over and over again if he's not listening. There are bugs that I discovered that have been there since he first made some of his characters that STILL have not been fixed. Creators like Warusaki and POTS regularly update their characters which is what Kong should be doing. You don't see them focusing entirely on the next release like Kong. Remember, quality>quantity.
Also, it's not just bugs that make Kong's creations the way they are, but things that make his characters look unprofessional. For example, for Cammy her select portrait isn't even the right color. Also, a lot of his moves are performed a different way than they were in the games. Now some people have said that this makes his characters original. This doesn't make his characters original at all. In fact it confuses the sh*t outta me because I'm trying to perform a move that I once knew how to do, but now I have no f'ing idea how to do it. And the fact that there's no readme to tell you how to do the moves doesn't help either. Super moves can only be performed with A+B and X+Y, not with any combination of kicks or punches? I mean, really, what's the point in changing the moveset? It doesn't make the character any better. Sorry if this sounds like a rant. Also for whoever says that I should change everything myself if I don't like it. Well, honestly, if things are wrong in the first place why should I have to change it? Shouldn't the creator take responsibility and change it him/herself?
PS: Remember this isn't for most of Kong's creations. As I have mentioned before I enjoyed Kong's Pocket Fighters and his first MvC characters like Storm and Omega-Red. But this "rant" (lol) applies to his later MvC creations which haven't been done as well such as M. Bison, Magneto, Juggernaut and Cammy.
Well to remind you that Mugen is just a hobby, why the hell should Kong adhere to any kind of standards? Why should he pander to anyone that says "this is what mugen characters should be like"? So what he changed the move set? So what its not like most mugen characters that are rigid and standard? Shouldn't this be something that is recognizable in a good way? How the hell can you discriminate against a creator that has a unique vision of his characters? Its taking a risk that a lot of mugen creators are afraid to if you ask me. And as for bugs, he puts it out, says here it is, and then says do what you want with it basically, on an acceptable level. He puts all his work out for the public to use, all his hard work. You know its not too hard to change the x+y to y+z if your so unhappy with that. You want to criticize, put something really f**k** good under your belt first.
Edit: Sorry Lord Vader I'm not tryin to single you out, this is a comment for everyone that should have this said to them.
If he doesn't want to adhere to any standards, then he won't and I can't change that. However, if he wants to gain a respectable position within the community instead of being bashed like he does at the previously mentioned forums, he should change his characters. Again, no one can force him but it's in his best interest to take into consideration what other people are getting annoyed at concerning his characters. And about the moveset, I find no reason whatsoever to change the commands for the moveset. I'm sorry but it's just plain stupid and idiotic. Nothing good comes out of it and it's certainly not anything innovative, and it makes things confusing, annoying, and complicated. Also, I could go into the command list and change the commands myself. However, why should I be doing this when it's the creator's job to take responsibility for his creations? Also, what if the person downloading is completely new and doesn't know how to change the command list? And I suggest you improve your attitude before you drop the f-bomb on me again.
Post by: Angsty Meier Link on July 09, 2008, 05:04:41 AM
If he doesn't want to adhere to any standards, then he won't and I can't change that. However, if he wants to gain a respectable position within the community instead of being bashed like he does at the previously mentioned forums, he should change his characters. Again, no one can force him but it's in his best interest to take into consideration what other people are getting annoyed at concerning his characters. And about the moveset, I find no reason whatsoever to change the commands for the moveset. I'm sorry but it's just plain stupid and idiotic. Nothing good comes out of it and it's certainly not anything innovative, and it makes things confusing, annoying, and complicated. Also, I could go into the command list and change the commands myself. However, why should I be doing this when it's the creator's job to take responsibility for his creations? Also, what if the person downloading is completely new and doesn't know how to change the command list? And I suggest you improve your attitude before you drop the f-bomb on me again.Mmmm... so wrong... sorry.
Post by: yamblack on July 09, 2008, 05:15:54 AM
lol black people.@ALEXZIQ Jesuszilla and Ricezilla aren't the same person, but they have similar behavior. I don't respect neither one of them.
No, there's a huge difference. I don't announce crappy creations on a daily basis in an attempt to look important, plus I am able to tell who is awesome, an ability which he lacks.
Also that was a double negative so thanks for respecting me.
Regarding Kong, please, you act as if I'm the worst person when it comes to complaining how terrible he is. I could have torn apart his Rockman like you couldn't imagine, but it seems the community in general did my job for me, so I didn't.
well look who's here. my favorite person in tha whole world.... SAT YO @$$ DOWN BIATCH!!
Post by: Sasuke-kun on July 09, 2008, 08:59:30 AM
I'm really getting tired of all this useless conversation...
1) He (Or any other creator) doesn't need to keep any original standards made by the companies (Capcom, SNK, etc.) since he doesn't work for any of them and isn't getting paid either.
2) He doesn't care about a respectable position and getting or gaining fame in the community like almost all the drama queens that are out there on the same business doing it for this purpose only.
3) Maybe could be in his best interest to considerate other people bashing-feedback but at the same time... It could be the inverse way too, and by that, I mean that other people bashing-feedback are not his best interests from what I can see.
4) The only reason to change the commands, combinations, etc. is very simple...
This is Mugen and you can have characters that will make a single-button Hyper if the creators want it that way and nobody can do anything about it!!! (Well... Unless you know a little bit of coding to change that)
5) Kong doesn't care either if doing all this changes on a character are innovative, confusing, annoying or complicated to do. (Refer to point 3)
6) Again... Is not 100% the creator's job or responsibility to make good or bad stuff since nobody is getting paid for wasting their precious freetime on this hobby!!!
7) If everyone already knows how Kong works are...
Then why the hell they keep downloading the same stuff with a different name over and over again? (Refer to KPT25 who quoted my post from the other page)
8 ) Finally...
If you want something perfect or aiming for accuracy then:
A) Stop leeching around and start learning how to code or create characters yourself to fix all stuff you doesn't like.
B) You failed completely on learning how to code or create your own stuff and you are still a leecher so... Limit yourself to leech only and stop bitching and moaning for the same stuff over and over again.
C) The same from the last point in less words: "Download, try the stuff and keep it or delete it quietly... Capiche?"
D) You are a creator who can make your own stuff or at least know how to code and fix the things you doesn't like... Stick up your nose in your own work and try to care of your own reputation only or at least fix the stuff yourself instead of bitching and moaning over other people works!!!
PS: This goes for all the leechers and haters in equality and not to a single person.
Post by: Scar on July 09, 2008, 11:20:26 AM
I cant believe that you guys are still talking about this...
Post by: Error Macro on July 09, 2008, 11:23:04 AM
=D>Indeed... o.O#
I cant believe that you guys are still talking about this...
Post by: shinra358 on July 09, 2008, 11:24:46 AM
Post by: ~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~ on July 09, 2008, 01:52:56 PM
For God sake!!!
I'm really getting tired of all this useless conversation...
1) He (Or any other creator) doesn't need to keep any original standards made by the companies (Capcom, SNK, etc.) since he doesn't work for any of them and isn't getting paid either.
2) He doesn't care about a respectable position and getting or gaining fame in the community like almost all the drama queens that are out there on the same business doing it for this purpose only.
3) Maybe could be in his best interest to considerate other people bashing-feedback but at the same time... It could be the inverse way too, and by that, I mean that other people bashing-feedback are not his best interests from what I can see.
4) The only reason to change the commands, combinations, etc. is very simple...
This is Mugen and you can have characters that will make a single-button Hyper if the creators want it that way and nobody can do anything about it!!! (Well... Unless you know a little bit of coding to change that)
5) Kong doesn't care either if doing all this changes on a character are innovative, confusing, annoying or complicated to do. (Refer to point 3)
6) Again... Is not 100% the creator's job or responsibility to make good or bad stuff since nobody is getting paid for wasting their precious freetime on this hobby!!!
7) If everyone already knows how Kong works are...
Then why the hell they keep downloading the same stuff with a different name over and over again? (Refer to KPT25 who quoted my post from the other page)
8 ) Finally...
If you want something perfect or aiming for accuracy then:
A) Stop leeching around and start learning how to code or create characters yourself to fix all stuff you doesn't like.
B) You failed completely on learning how to code or create your own stuff and you are still a leecher so... Limit yourself to leech only and stop bitching and moaning for the same stuff over and over again.
C) The same from the last point in less words: "Download, try the stuff and keep it or delete it quietly... Capiche?"
D) You are a creator who can make your own stuff or at least know how to code and fix the things you doesn't like... Stick up your nose in your own work and try to care of your own reputation only or at least fix the stuff yourself instead of bitching and moaning over other people works!!!
PS: This goes for all the leechers and haters in equality and not to a single person.
Post by: Weapon x program on July 09, 2008, 02:15:42 PM
Post by: .:K.I.N.G:. on July 09, 2008, 02:41:08 PM
a very poor of an excuse which shows his lack of creativity.
meh "and he thinks we are the stupid ppl lol"
i say we drop this whole thing..this kira or Jesuszilla is not really worth it.
we shouldn't waste time discussing what he said and even give it any kind of importance or attention.
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on July 09, 2008, 03:14:31 PM
i m a sasuke fan now ^^(PM)^
Ditto on this .
One thing I do have to say . Is Kong basically makes these characters for himself . He is just nice enough to share them with us . We should be grateful they aren't all private & most of you would be trying to trade for them on youtube like the are the Ark Of The Covenant .
I do agree with one thing . Kong does change the move commands from what we knew . It would be nice to have a read me file with the move list with the characters .
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/MedSpawn2.gif)
Post by: The Rippah, Roo'Jizah Panzermanathod on July 09, 2008, 04:26:37 PM
One thing I do have to say . Is Kong basically makes these characters for himself . He is just nice enough to share them with us . We should be grateful they aren't all private & most of you would be trying to trade for them on youtube like the are the Ark Of The Covenant .
I'm basing this opinion from word of mouth, so if I need actual correction, do it.
While it *apparently* is nice that he share's characters and makes them for himself *allegedly*, I find it odd he would make heavy use of templates and rush a bunch of them out, while not caring to update them too much unless it "crashes mugen" and, from what I heard, doesn't listen to much feed back, as well as allegedly having problems that are consistent with most of his characters. I find it hard to believe that it's as cut and dry as the above quote puts it.
I know I haven't submitted anything beyond some palettes at the guild, but I have two unfinished characters that I would rather not rush out just because of promises of internet fame. Hell, I coded them both from scratch, and used other bits of code as references.
Also: What do you mean, "Most of us"? I'm no hardcore mugenite, and I dislike trading.
Post by: Theendgamelv3 on July 09, 2008, 05:35:11 PM
Post by: shinra358 on July 09, 2008, 05:36:57 PM
Post by: The Rippah, Roo'Jizah Panzermanathod on July 09, 2008, 05:40:20 PM
It is guy making a creation that in their opinion stuff that needed fixing. After awhile then they started trolling realizing that how it is going to be for the rest of the creations.
Opinions on what needs fixing? Sometimes what needs to be fixed isn't an opinion, but a fact. If I had a character I liked by constantly crashed Mugen, I don't think my complaints would be purely opinion.
Post by: Jesuszilla on July 09, 2008, 05:46:08 PM
I'm mostly skimming through because this is too much to read over something so pointless. Once again, I am not the only one who dislikes Kong, nor am I the worst person when it comes to bashing him. Even so, I don't even know how he is as a person, I judge a creator by his work.
I will say this: there is something seriously wrong when even the new people in the community are telling you your characters feel nothing like the source. Accuracy is honestly the last thing Kong needs to worry about at this point. The keyword here is "feel." The characters don't feel as they should, period. I believe that is why many people complain about his works. Mr. Fong's and Phantom.of.the.Server's creations are not accurate, but the characters feel like they should. Kim feels like Kim, Ryu feels like Ryu, and so on.
Furthermore, if you want to go for something different, then why label them as MvC2 or Warzard or whatever the source is when they do not feel even remotely close to the source, let alone accurate?
Learn your terminology, accuracy != feel. I enjoy quite a few inaccurate characters because they FEEL like the actual character.
I could care less about Kong himself, like I said, I judge a creator by his work. I have no problems against Kong personally because how he behaves is none of my concern. I would say the same thing if it was anybody else who was doing this. What I have a problem with is people defending such things using broken logic.
Post by: ATiC3 on July 09, 2008, 05:52:45 PM
=D>I can't believe you haven't locked this...
I cant believe that you guys are still talking about this...
Post by: Error Macro on July 09, 2008, 05:55:08 PM
I thought this would get locked on page 1 after 5 repiles.=D>I can't believe you haven't locked this...
I cant believe that you guys are still talking about this...
Post by: Scar on July 09, 2008, 05:56:42 PM
If you know that you dont like the way Kong makes his characters then why go thru all the trouble of downloading everything he makes to simply b_i_tch an moan about it..
If you dont like how a certain creator makes his characters then you would simply not bother trying them out since you already know what to expect...
Its just like P.O.T.S, people download his characters because of his style of gameplay that everybody is used to from him..
It just seems to me that people just like to complain so they can feel important.
Post by: ClubSyN-X-TReME on July 09, 2008, 05:57:39 PM
That must mean something.
I hope you guys can figure that out as well.
Post by: Aura-Master on July 09, 2008, 05:58:29 PM
What I dont understand is why do you still download the characters?
If you know that you dont like the way Kong makes his characters then why go thru all the trouble of downloading everything he makes to simply b_i_tch an moan about it..
If you dont like how a certain creator makes his characters then you would simply not bother trying them out since you already know what to expect...
Its just like P.O.T.S, people download his characters because of his style of gameplay that everybody is used to from him..
It just seems to me that people just like to complain so they can feel important.
or feel glad they flamed him
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on July 09, 2008, 06:33:33 PM
After six pages of this, I have not seen a single post from Kong himself since this topic is over 90 percent about him.
That must mean something.
I hope you guys can figure that out as well.
Yeah good point .
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/MedSpawn2.gif)
Post by: .:K.I.N.G:. on July 09, 2008, 06:34:50 PM
@ [Kira]..this is not just about kong. you disrespected and insulted IMT ppl by saying they are stupid including most of us here...and why cus they like kong's creations
being a members here and talking crap elsewhere is not cool and you know it. since you are a member you could have posted feedback instead of attaching the guy or even better you could stop downloading his characters.
it was you who started talking crap so don't go saying pll here are attacking me and ll that bulls***.
seriously if you don't like kong is creations it really dosen't matter to kong or any of us here. but if you like to be disrespectful about it..it wont be tolerated.
@ |mmö®†åL -$yN- ... kong lols at stuff like these in private bro.
Post by: ClubSyN-X-TReME on July 09, 2008, 06:36:23 PM
@ |mmö®†åL -$yN- ... kong lols at stuff like these in private bro.
I know, I was hoping others realize that on both the supportive and flaming sides.
Post by: Excursion on July 09, 2008, 06:37:13 PM
I have seen so many shoto clones come out and crappy creations come out from posts at the Guild (um.. Oohwhap's Pico) and characters that don't jump, like KFM's Hashimoto, or Pesoguin by Geo Cloaking at MUGEN China (yea.. some of you are going "who?") but I don't see people bitching and moaning about those.. know why? Because Kong is an easier target, he releases popular characters from popular games, and is still actively pushing out what he loves to do. Notice, Kong does not go out to other forums to announce his releases. Even after my attempts to get MI and MFG to stop announcing his works, it seems that they take pleasure in seeing multiple thread discussions about it and frankly, if you look at it from a webmaster standpoint, it generates their respective forums traffic. So ironically, they all love Kong in the long run.
Post by: ClubSyN-X-TReME on July 09, 2008, 06:58:31 PM
and the flamers don't realize that they helping out and adding to Kongs "fame"
P.S.
Miss La Fairy is a
Post by: Angsty Meier Link on July 09, 2008, 07:54:36 PM
Even after my attempts to get MI and MFG to stop announcing his works, it seems that they take pleasure in seeing multiple thread discussions about it and frankly, if you look at it from a webmaster standpoint, it generates their respective forums traffic. So ironically, they all love Kong in the long run.
Hehe IMT should charge by the flame eh Ex? :D
Post by: ClubSyN-X-TReME on July 09, 2008, 08:05:42 PM
"Because we needed it"
veoh.com/videos/v14710251mysfk5kA
add http://www (http://www). to the front of the url above and paste the link in your browser since veoh vids are not working right here.
Post by: Tundra on July 09, 2008, 08:09:16 PM
Post by: The Rippah, Roo'Jizah Panzermanathod on July 09, 2008, 08:33:54 PM
I just don't agree with Kong's methods, and I'm throwing my two cents in.
I have seen so many shoto clones come out and crappy creations come out from posts at the Guild (um.. Oohwhap's Pico) and characters that don't jump, like KFM's Hashimoto, or Pesoguin by Geo Cloaking at MUGEN China (yea.. some of you are going "who?") but I don't see people bitching and moaning about those.. know why? Because Kong is an easier target...
You aren't at Guild often, are you?
Post by: Scar on July 09, 2008, 09:38:18 PM
Take a break, go hang out with your girlfriends and lets forget this whole thread..
This thread is as usefull as a butthole on my elbow....
LOCKED....