Author Topic: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general (Read 1317 times)

DARKTALBAIN · « **on:** March 05, 2009, 11:43:04 AM »

Yoda & Vader in Soul Calibur was utterly stupid . For one thing , Yoda is totally broken & not balanced at all .
The fact that Vader is on the actual 360 disc & you can't play him is even more stupid .
Then the fact that they are going to make you buy Vader online when he's on the disc is very stupid .
The fact that they haven't released their scam Vader on 360 when a hacker was playing with him on 360 a week after thegamewas released , is even more foolish .

Namco sucks . I loved Soul Calibur until all this . What else do they have as a fighter ? Oh that's right that garbage Tekken . I've been burnt on that series since Tekken 3 .

I thought MK vs DC was pretty decent . I was surprised it was as good as it was . Since Midway seemed to just destroy the MK universe more & more with each new arrival . I thought they did things right with MK vs DC & were back on the right track . Too bad they are gong under .

Remaking MK 1 or 2 & modernizing it , but still being 2d would be the best option on the MK series for Midway or whoever buys the series . They have to go back to the roots of what made the series popular .

Gaijin · « **Reply #1 on:** March 05, 2009, 03:48:38 PM »

Quote from: DARKTALBAIN on March 05, 2009, 11:43:04 AM

Yoda & Vader in Soul Calibur was utterly stupid . For one thing , Yoda is totally broken & not balanced at all .
The fact that Vader is on the actual 360 disc & you can't play him is even more stupid .
Then the fact that they are going to make you buy Vader online when he's on the disc is very stupid .
The fact that they haven't released their scam Vader on 360 when a hacker was playing with him on 360 a week after thegamewas released , is even more foolish .

Namco sucks . I loved Soul Calibur until all this . What else do they have as a fighter ? Oh that's right that garbage Tekken . I've been burnt on that series since Tekken 3 .

I thought MK vs DC was pretty decent . I was surprised it was as good as it was . Since Midway seemed to just destroy the MK universe more & more with each new arrival . I thought they did things right with MK vs DC & were back on the right track . Too bad they are gong under .

Remaking MK 1 or 2 & modernizing it , but still being 2d would be the best option on the MK series for Midway or whoever buys the series . They have to go back to the roots of what made the series popular .

though i respect ur opinion yoda is totally not broken....how do i know??? because i play yoda and he is in no way broken and unbalnced. you probably say that because either you dont know what to do against him or ur mad because you cant grab and your options become limited the moment yoda steps on the seen. yoda is by far the hardest character to play in sc4 due to his health being low and his height though is his advantage it is also his disadvantage. he is quite easily rung out and all good players know this. he is the esiest to critical finish...(just 4 heavy attack and critical finish) but you wanna call him broken and unbalanced. dude come on. u must have lost to a yoda player or something. my yoda is really good and i can go head to head with pros but yoda is limited is someways but limitless in others. u have no idea how much work it is to finish any opponent in sc4 when i play with yoda. the pros kill yoda easily...in case u have noticed none of them use him for that reason alone. yoda is my fav next to xianghua but im not sayin gthat because of that. tekken is another great series. the only one i can truly recall that sucked in the whole series was tekken 4. that game had so many cheap imbalances it wasnt even funny. i agree with you on them doing a 2d but modernizing it

EPA villian · « **Reply #2 on:** March 05, 2009, 08:22:37 PM »

Quote from: Gaijin on March 05, 2009, 03:48:38 PM

though i respect ur opinion yoda is totally not broken....how do i know??? because i play yoda and he is in no way broken and unbalnced. you probably say that because either you dont know what to do against him or ur mad because you cant grab and your options become limited the moment yoda steps on the seen. yoda is by far the hardest character to play in sc4 due to his health being low and his height though is his advantage it is also his disadvantage. he is quite easily rung out and all good players know this. he is the esiest to critical finish...(just 4 heavy attack and critical finish) but you wanna call him broken and unbalanced. dude come on. u must have lost to a yoda player or something. my yoda is really good and i can go head to head with pros but yoda is limited is someways but limitless in others. u have no idea how much work it is to finish any opponent in sc4 when i play with yoda. the pros kill yoda easily...in case u have noticed none of them use him for that reason alone. yoda is my fav next to xianghua but im not sayin gthat because of that. tekken is another great series. the only one i can truly recall that sucked in the whole series was tekken 4. that game had so many cheap imbalances it wasnt even funny. i agree with you on them doing a 2d but modernizing it

yea i'm a truly devoted tekken fan man and i owned every tekken that ever came out me and nut are almost unbeatable.. well nutty is at least

. im good but not as good as him, Tekken is very well balanced and u cant win by mashing when it comes to soul calibur well im just gonna say it i think it sucks.. The combo system is not that good and all u really have to do is mash to win *cough voldo and maxi Cough* and dont say its because i suck because thats not the reason i was a real big fan of the game and i am good im not the average player. Its just that voldo is almost never open when hes mashing especially when hes turned around. I wish they would take all the good characters from soul calibur and put it in tekken or at least make Soul Calibur vs tekken with tekken gameplay. Well at least we can except Tekken vs Virtua Fighter Soon

The 2 leaders of both games are friends and said they would like to try it once they have talked about it a lot.

ClubSyN-X-TReME · « **Reply #3 on:** March 10, 2009, 06:12:45 PM »

I would prefer Namco to purchase the franchise rather than capcom.

I don't want to see MK characters do a raging demon, we already have enough stupid @&*! in mugen.

Tenspeed · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2009, 08:31:23 AM »

personally I would prefer that MK be laid to rest before it gets any more ridiculous.

Serious Cat · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2009, 08:39:06 AM »

MK needs to go back to roots. Srsly, if anyone bought it and turned it back to when Boon and Tobias were still working on it together, then it would be awesome again. I have to agree with DT.

Kid Chyllen™♪ · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2009, 07:51:08 PM »

Namco should buy MK

. Period.
It would be interesting to see what they could do with a MK9.
Or,
Maybe (if they buy it) they should just Start the MK series all over again.

IDK

Gaijin · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2009, 12:44:26 PM »

you know what....thats the best idea i heard so far. if namco bought it....that means better graphics advanced gameplay to make mk more fun and killer fatalities plus a more realistic comboing system mixed with old mk combos. it would be a new mk all together. i think that would be a great choice. hmm i need to make friends with those namco guys......

EPA villian · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2009, 12:48:09 PM »

Quote from: ↓ ♪*« Jazz-€l™»* ♪↓! on March 17, 2009, 07:51:08 PM

Namco should buy MK . Period.
It would be interesting to see what they could do with a MK9.
Or,
Maybe (if they buy it) they should just Start the MK series all over again.

IDK

Lulz like i said midway is working on mk9 right now =/ if it even gets to be released it has to be a damn good game.

Kev The Galaxybender · « **Reply #9 on:** March 22, 2009, 09:58:07 AM »

good, Midway needs to be punished after making the last two terrible MK games

Tenspeed · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2009, 01:49:22 AM »

Quote from: Gaijin on March 05, 2009, 03:48:38 PM

though i respect ur opinion yoda is totally not broken....how do i know??? because i play yoda and he is in no way broken and unbalnced.

yeah, a character who can't be hit by high attacks or throws, and who's grab dodges low attacks is totally balanced. Astaroth loves fighting him.

♦ßlôödÑinjå♦ · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2009, 01:51:35 AM »

Quote from: Tenspeed on March 23, 2009, 01:49:22 AM

yeah, a character who can't be hit by high attacks or throws, and who's grab dodges low attacks is totally balanced. Astaroth loves fighting him.

What you just said just sounds like a description of Leopaldon.

BigJ · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2009, 11:50:06 PM »

Quote from: Tenspeed on March 23, 2009, 01:49:22 AM

yeah, a character who can't be hit by high attacks or throws, and who's grab dodges low attacks is totally balanced. Astaroth loves fighting him.

What the hell are you smoking Gaijin?

ClubSyN-X-TReME · « **Reply #13 on:** March 24, 2009, 08:43:21 AM »

Its obvious whatever character Gaijin plays as isnt broken/cheap/unbalanced in his eyes no matter how much PROOF is infront of him.

"Points to the SF4 thread also."

Akeme · « **Reply #14 on:** March 24, 2009, 10:27:33 AM »

Hmmm from the posts that i am ready it seems that either most of or some of you guys are not that good in sc4 or just don't know what to do against yoda. I have no trouble against yoda all you have to use is mind games and vertical attacks that's it and he is not cheap at all. If you don't believe me pick yoda and fight me and you will see heheheh.

Quote from: |mmö®†åL -$yN- on March 24, 2009, 08:43:21 AM

Its obvious whatever character Gaijin plays as isnt broken/cheap/unbalanced in his eyes no matter how much PROOF is infront of him.

"Points to the SF4 thread also."

Hmmm Not true

DARKTALBAIN · « **Reply #15 on:** March 24, 2009, 11:07:02 AM »

Quote from: Retsu on March 24, 2009, 10:27:33 AM

Hmmm from the posts that i am ready it seems that either most of or some of you guys are not that good in sc4 or just don't know what to do against yoda. I have no trouble against yoda all you have to use is mind games and vertical attacks that's it and he is not cheap at all. If you don't believe me pick yoda and fight me and you will see heheheh.Hmmm Not true

I've never been beat by Yoda , so it's not sour grapes .

As a matter of fact I either play Taki or Yoda . I'm a Yoda player & I can admit he is totally broken . that's the only reason I play as him .

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ClubSyN-X-TReME · « **Reply #16 on:** March 24, 2009, 12:13:48 PM »

Quote from: Retsu on March 24, 2009, 10:27:33 AM

Hmmm from the posts that i am ready it seems that either most of or some of you guys are not that good in sc4 or just don't know what to do against yoda. I have no trouble against yoda all you have to use is mind games and vertical attacks that's it and he is not cheap at all. If you don't believe me pick yoda and fight me and you will see heheheh.Hmmm Not true

what DT said.

Tenspeed · « **Reply #17 on:** March 24, 2009, 11:30:53 PM »

Quote from: Retsu on March 24, 2009, 10:27:33 AM

Hmmm from the posts that i am ready it seems that either most of or some of you guys are not that good in sc4 or just don't know what to do against yoda. I have no trouble against yoda all you have to use is mind games and vertical attacks that's it and he is not cheap at all. If you don't believe me pick yoda and fight me and you will see heheheh.Hmmm Not true

when you make a game that has a specific system or set of rules, it's usually a very bad move to make a character that breaks those rules. It's bad character design. If everyone else in the game follow the base, the character that doesn't will have terrible fights. I'm an Astaroth player. I may not be the best ever, but I know a bit, and one of the golden rules that I was taught with Astaroth is to take advantage of his great throws. Another thing is that Astaroth's long wind up is balanced out by giving him great sweeping range and the power to move your opponent around the arena with such attacks. They begin to fall for these attacks because you put the fear of being thrown into them. They expect you to throw them when close, and that gives you time to wind up for your huge attacks.

So now, if you take Astaroth's two strengths away from him by having him fight a character who doesn't have to fear throws, and who most sweeping horizontals will go over his head, what kind of a match will Astaroth have? Sure, you can win the fight by poking with low attacks and hoping to land one of Astaroth's huge verticals, but it's going to be a terrible fight.

A good example of this is picking a boss in MK Trilogy. You immediately have an advantage because your attacks knock the opponent across the screen and you only stumble from attacks that would knock a normal person over. Motaro can't even be hit with projectiles, and I think most bosses aren't affected my a lot of specials. I could beat you, but it's not the same as having a fight with two normal characters, who both follow the same rules and who all attacks work on properly.

Namco should have tried to choose characters that would have fit into the fighting system that they've established instead of bending and breaking their system to accommodate a popular character that was put in to boost sales.

Back on topic though, I hope the new MK game is taken in a new direction... like this:

Akeme · « **Reply #18 on:** March 24, 2009, 11:49:02 PM »

True in what you are saying tenspeed and correct. for an astaroth player though you cannot throw or use horizontal it doesn't make yoda broken it actually makes the battle easier for you meaning all you have to do if astaroth tackle all day or his lows and mix it up with verticals and that's it.

On topic: I hope mk does impress and wow us but that is what they said last time and we all saw what happend to miday after making mk vs dc

Gaijin · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2009, 11:58:11 PM »

perhaps u dont know that the way to beat yoda is not to use horizontal attacks. yoda actually makes it mostly easy for most opponents to kill him. ur just not doing the right attacks. with astaroth (however u spell it) just press forward, forward, O and watch yoda die

unless ur opponent knows what hes doing but even then yoda is a disadvantage. why is it yoda is rated as the suckiest character in soul calibur? its because all someone has to do is use verticals and lows and yoda cant do crap. plus he has low life and is easily critical finished. saying yoda is broken just shows either u faced against ppl that dont know what to do or u dont know what do against it

Nutty-Da-Kid · « **Reply #20 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:22:48 AM »

Quote from: Retsu on March 24, 2009, 11:49:02 PM

True in what you are saying tenspeed and correct. for an astaroth player though you cannot throw or use horizontal it doesn't make yoda broken it actually makes the battle easier for you meaning all you have to do if astaroth tackle all day or his lows and mix it up with verticals and that's it.

On topic: I hope mk does impress and wow us but that is what they said last time and we all saw what happend to miday after making mk vs dc

yea but that would make him pretty predictable dont you think?

Gaijin · « **Reply #21 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:52:58 AM »

not if u mix it up properly. thats where the mind games can truely shine. u would be amazed at how significantly less moves pl use on yoda. u can use 3 moves and beat him. ivy utterly rapes him. even some masters only use 3 moves but they have a large amount of setups with those moves. if he can be unpredictable with only 3 moves then trust me he can too or should i say anyone can

Tenspeed · « **Reply #22 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:00:18 AM »

yeah, but where's the fun in that? it's like two people playing MK and just doing jump kicks and sweeps all day, or picking akuma in street fighter 4 and throwing air fireballs nonstop. yoda breaks soul calibur. Even if you can beat him, even if he sucks, he breaks the gameplay.

ClubSyN-X-TReME · « **Reply #23 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:09:45 AM »

Quote from: Tenspeed on March 25, 2009, 02:00:18 AM

yeah, but where's the fun in that? it's like two people playing MK and just doing jump kicks and sweeps all day, or picking akuma in street fighter 4 and throwing air fireballs nonstop. yoda breaks soul calibur. Even if you can beat him, even if he sucks, he breaks the gameplay.

..........Just give it up, they will justify him not being broken, unbalanced, etc no matter how many flaws we point out. And this is not the first time. It's like they need an excuse to use overly broken and abusive chars in any game period. Give me a break.

Atleast DT admits he uses those type of characters for those purposes alone knowing damn well they are.

Tenspeed · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:12:52 AM »

yeah, I guess you're right. This has all gotten horribly off topic anyway.

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