Author Topic: Soul Caliber, Tiny Characters and Balance in general (Read 1318 times)

Akeme · « **Reply #25 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:20:51 AM »

Quote from: |mmö®†åL -$yN- on March 25, 2009, 02:09:45 AM

..........Just give it up, they will justify him not being broken, unbalanced, etc no matter how many flaws we point out. And this is not the first time. It's like they need an excuse to use overly broken and abusive chars in any game period. Give me a break.

Atleast DT admits he uses those type of characters for those purposes alone knowing damn well they are.

@Syn it is alright man relax, i do not use these so called broken chars and saying all this as an excuse to just use them. I am just trying to clarify that yoda or spamming chars can be beaten and yes it makes the game boring but it is not like you fight yoda every day like you do on sf4 with ken, ryu and akuma. Basically i agree with you on what you and others are saying but at the same time just remember they are in the game and if they bother you just completely obliterate them or just kick them out.

On topic: There was a rumor that more info on mk9 or whatever was to be released at this year's E3, let's just hope they pull through this time

Tenspeed · « **Reply #26 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:42:12 AM »

actually, the reason I don't play SCIV online is because every fight was either yoda, taki, or cervantes.

Akeme · « **Reply #27 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:49:42 AM »

Quote from: Tenspeed on March 25, 2009, 02:42:12 AM

actually, the reason I don't play SCIV online is because every fight was either yoda, taki, or cervantes.

That sucks sorry man.

♦ßlôödÑinjå♦ · « **Reply #28 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:55:13 AM »

Quote from: Tenspeed on March 25, 2009, 02:42:12 AM

actually, the reason I don't play SCIV online is because every fight was either yoda, taki, or cervantes.

You should try Mk VS , Dc then

It's either Scorpion or flash

Akeme · « **Reply #29 on:** March 25, 2009, 03:20:41 AM »

Quote from: BloodNinja Who? on March 25, 2009, 02:55:13 AM

You should try Mk VS , Dc then

It's either Scorpion or flash

True so true

Tenspeed · « **Reply #30 on:** March 25, 2009, 03:27:29 AM »

I learned my lesson REALLY FAST with that game.

It was ironic because my main characters were flash, green lantern, and captain marvel. It was funny because every time I picked flash people would drop, and I didn't know why until I started playing as the other two and fought like eight flashes in a row.

Akeme · « **Reply #31 on:** March 25, 2009, 03:30:30 AM »

Quote from: Tenspeed on March 25, 2009, 03:27:29 AM

I learned my lesson REALLY FAST with that game.

It was ironic because my main characters were flash, green lantern, and captain marvel. It was funny because every time I picked flash people would drop, and I didn't know why until I started playing as the other two and fought like eight flashes in a row.

Hhahahah

♦ßlôödÑinjå♦ · « **Reply #32 on:** March 25, 2009, 05:50:33 AM »

Quote from: Tenspeed on March 25, 2009, 03:27:29 AM

I learned my lesson REALLY FAST with that game.

It was ironic because my main characters were flash, green lantern, and captain marvel. It was funny because every time I picked flash people would drop, and I didn't know why until I started playing as the other two and fought like eight flashes in a row.

Not only that everytime i picked flash people seemed to always pick scorpion.

Why?

Because They spam there inferno attack and since flash has no Projectile moves The flash player might as well quit the match.

Nutty-Da-Kid · « **Reply #33 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:29:59 AM »

Quote from: Retsu on March 25, 2009, 02:20:51 AM

@Syn it is alright man relax, i do not use these so called broken chars and saying all this as an excuse to just use them. I am just trying to clarify that yoda or spamming chars can be beaten and yes it makes the game boring but it is not like you fight yoda every day like you do on sf4 with ken, ryu and akuma. Basically i agree with you on what you and others are saying but at the same time just remember they are in the game and if they bother you just completely obliterate them or just kick them out.

On topic: There was a rumor that more info on mk9 or whatever was to be released at this year's E3, let's just hope they pull through this time

yoda in soul calibur was just like how gon was in tekken 3. Hes beatable but u have to work harder to beat him then any other character which makes them cheap.. And i know flash is cheap but i don think scorpion is too cheap. A game needs to be well balanced everyone has to have a certain balance. Having a tiny @ss strong @ss character not really balanced im sure u would think the same thing if someone hacked yoda into the game and u fought him..

mastamasta · « **Reply #34 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:47:24 AM »

look at you guys.....do you really need to be handed everything...a challange is what makes the game good....you call it broken or cheesy becuase your character cant do what your opponent does. get ya game up..

who has MK vs DC for xbox360....hit him up with your gamertag...and well get some matchs going.

Post Merge: March 25, 2009, 10:48:48 AM

Quote from: BloodNinja Who? on March 25, 2009, 05:50:33 AM

Not only that everytime i picked flash people seemed to always pick scorpion.

Why?

Because They spam there inferno attack and since flash has no Projectile moves The flash player might as well quit the match.

? i dont know about that...if you let someone spam you with that attack, then your an idiot..straight up.

Sorry to say , You are warned for this . Debating is one thing , insulting other members by " name calling " is a whole different story .

Nutty-Da-Kid · « **Reply #35 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:52:58 AM »

Quote from: mastamasta on March 25, 2009, 10:47:24 AM

look at you guys.....do you really need to be handed everything...a challange is what makes the game good....you call it broken or cheesy becuase your character cant do what your opponent does. get ya game up..

who has MK vs DC for xbox360....hit him up with your gamertag...and well get some matchs going.

Post Merge: March 25, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
? i dont know about that...if you let someone spam you with that attack, then your an idiot..straight up.

well its broken when one character has a huge advantage or handicap over everyone else... Plus its the fact that everyone tries to say hes not broken its not the fact that they are picking them. They just wont admit that he's not broken. They always gotta make excuses for them.

♦ßlôödÑinjå♦ · « **Reply #36 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:08:40 PM »

Quote from: mastamasta on March 25, 2009, 10:47:24 AM

look at you guys.....do you really need to be handed everything...a challange is what makes the game good....you call it broken or cheesy becuase your character cant do what your opponent does. get ya game up..

who has MK vs DC for xbox360....hit him up with your gamertag...and well get some matchs going.

Post Merge: March 25, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
? i dont know about that...if you let someone spam you with that attack, then your an idiot..straight up.

Your acting like you'll stop someone from using that attack.
What can flash do when scorp does that Nothing it's common sense.
stop trying to school everyone and out yourself in higher position.

Tenspeed · « **Reply #37 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:16:24 PM »

Gon was another character that shouldn't have been in a fighting game. same with Dr. Boskonowhatever. Like I keep saying, a character doesn't need to have a advantage or disadvantage necessarily for him to break the gameplay. People throw the word "broken" around too much when talking about cheap characters. Shao Kahn in MK3 is broken, because nothing phases him when it should. Magneto in MVC2 IS NOT broken, just because he has a ridiculous air combo reset ect. If you make a fighting system, all of your characters need to adhere to it. Look at brawl. you have all sorts of weird people from all sorts of weird games and universes, but they all follow the same rules. Sure there are small characters in that game, but it's not like 90 percent of the attacks in the game go over their head like small characters in most other games.

It's not a challenge to be unable to play a game the way it's meant to be played. If you and I were to play, and we both picked normal characters, and played our best, that would be one thing, but this is entirely different.

and mastamasta, don't come up in a topic like that and insult everyone just for having a discussion. that's plain childish.

Gaijin · « **Reply #38 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:24:39 PM »

Quote from: Tenspeed on March 25, 2009, 09:16:24 PM

Gon was another character that shouldn't have been in a fighting game. same with Dr. Boskonowhatever. Like I keep saying, a character doesn't need to have a advantage or disadvantage necessarily for him to break the gameplay. People throw the word "broken" around too much when talking about cheap characters. Shao Kahn in MK3 is broken, because nothing phases him when it should. Magneto in MVC2 IS NOT broken, just because he has a ridiculous air combo reset ect. If you make a fighting system, all of your characters need to adhere to it. Look at brawl. you have all sorts of weird people from all sorts of weird games and universes, but they all follow the same rules. Sure there are small characters in that game, but it's not like 90 percent of the attacks in the game go over their head like small characters in most other games.

It's not a challenge to be unable to play a game the way it's meant to be played. If you and I were to play, and we both picked normal characters, and played our best, that would be one thing, but this is entirely different.

and mastamasta, don't come up in a topic like that and insult everyone just for having a discussion. that's plain childish.

in brawl the best most cheapest character is metaknight. he breaks the rules in a variety of ways with minimal to 0 zero lag moves and killing low percentages moves that override everyones attacks and end in no lag. they tried to balance him by making him light weight but that doesnt matter since his DI can sometimes net him the possibity of lasting longer that most characters.

Tenspeed · « **Reply #39 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:08:06 PM »

He's cheap, but he still follows the rules of the game. it's not like the game won't let you throw him or something, you know what I mean?

Gaijin · « **Reply #40 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:28:18 PM »

yeah but at the same time normal tap hits that hit him take off considerable damage

MaverickZr0 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:30:15 PM »

I don't think MK is cheap, He gets handled really easily

DARKTALBAIN · « **Reply #42 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:34:01 PM »

Quote from: |mmö®†åL -$yN- on March 25, 2009, 02:09:45 AM

..........Just give it up, they will justify him not being broken, unbalanced, etc no matter how many flaws we point out. And this is not the first time. It's like they need an excuse to use overly broken and abusive chars in any game period. Give me a break.

Atleast DT admits he uses those type of characters for those purposes alone knowing damn well they are.

My excuse is when someone talks to much smack & gets under my skin . I bring out Yoda

Time for the broken beat down .

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mastamasta · « **Reply #43 on:** March 26, 2009, 09:05:11 AM »

Quote from: Nutpatch on March 25, 2009, 10:52:58 AM

well its broken when one character has a huge advantage or handicap over everyone else... Plus its the fact that everyone tries to say hes not broken its not the fact that they are picking them. They just wont admit that he's not broken. They always gotta make excuses for them.

first off...i dont use yoda....namco WONT release a broken character...its just broken to you guys cause you cant beat him. thats not my fault.

Quote from: BloodNinja Who? on March 25, 2009, 04:08:40 PM

Your acting like you'll stop someone from using that attack.
What can flash do when scorp does that Nothing it's common sense.
stop trying to school everyone and out yourself in higher position.

yes you will stop someone from using it, its called a low kick. i dont need to school anyone...this is the internet and a video game website, i cant even see how i would gain a higher position by telling you how to play your game....if you consistenly run into scorpion when he is doing that, than there is something wrong with you, and you need to learn how to play...i cant imagine someone running into his inferno attack a whole match...

i would laugh if i saw that. i wasnt disrespecting you in general, i was just saying IN GENERAL...you would have to be an idiot to keep running into the same move over and over again...especially when it takes him like a second to do the move, you can see it coming from a mile away.

Gaijin · « **Reply #44 on:** March 26, 2009, 01:07:34 PM »

Quote from: {Zr0} on March 25, 2009, 11:30:15 PM

I don't think MK is cheap, He gets handled really easily

not really. its only easy if someone doesnt know how to use him. but if you face against the like of say mew2king who is number 1 or 2 in the world then you will see how fast and easy meta can flow into one attack after another laglessly. marth is a good counter for him but the only other one is game and watch. it all depends on whos using and how they use him. meta clearly has the advantage over all the other characters. the only marth stands a chance is cuz of his counter move and speed.

on topic: i just wish they had gone with a more original cast with some new mk characters instead of DC ppl

Tenspeed · « **Reply #45 on:** March 27, 2009, 08:11:03 PM »

Quote from: mastamasta on March 26, 2009, 09:05:11 AM

first off...i dont use yoda....namco WONT release a broken character...its just broken to you guys cause you cant beat him. thats not my fault.

what stops namco form releasing a broken character?

♦ßlôödÑinjå♦ · « **Reply #46 on:** March 28, 2009, 02:20:21 AM »

Quote from: Tenspeed on March 27, 2009, 08:11:03 PM

what stops namco form releasing a broken character?

It's fans?

Gaijin · « **Reply #47 on:** March 28, 2009, 12:14:38 PM »

True. Fans run the show because namco unlike most companies listen to their fans. I mean take tekken 6 for example...when it came out certain characters were over powered in the ppl opinions so namco started working on tekken 6 br which has changed damaged values for more balance. So yeah we the fans stop broken characters and we force them too fix what is broken. Yoda obviously isnt broken so thats why he hasnt been fixed.

DARKTALBAIN · « **Reply #48 on:** March 28, 2009, 12:57:17 PM »

Quote from: Gaijin on March 28, 2009, 12:14:38 PM

True. Fans run the show because namco unlike most companies listen to their fans. I mean take tekken 6 for example...when it came out certain characters were over powered in the ppl opinions so namco started working on tekken 6 br which has changed damaged values for more balance. So yeah we the fans stop broken characters and we force them too fix what is broken. Yoda obviously isnt broken so thats why he hasnt been fixed.

A more false statement has never been made when it comes to this game . I really think Namco just wants to give up on this latest installment of Soul Calibur because of the Vader fiasco . Darth Vader is on the 360 disc . A hacker showed vids of him playing as Vader on 360 . Namco threatend him to take the vid down . I looked at the files on the disc & there are Vader files . So everyone was mad that they would have to pay for Vader as Downloadable content even though he is already on the disc . Namco still hasn't released Vader as far as I know . So Soul Calibur with Star Wars characters is a " write off " an experimant gone bad .

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Gaijin · « **Reply #49 on:** March 28, 2009, 01:09:43 PM »

so are u saying that we cant keep namco from producing cheapness?

? When they have already fixed so many cheap infinites sc and fixed the tekken system if its up and coming game because the fans wanted it to be changed? That statement is not false. If you read into it then you will see. Namco wise the fans dictate whether or not some stuff will be changed or not. By now if its in the game its not cheap. Just because a few ppl cant deal with it doesnt make it cheap

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