evil sean

[johnnydancer]

is there an evil sean?

[Saber Alter]

WIP in Infantry

[Kung Fu Man]

Does Evil Sean even make remote sense? How about "Really Pissy Sean"? Or "Hey, I-Actually-Won-a-Fight Ego Trip Sean"!

Sure it's a mouthful, but practicality people.

[The Great Matsutzu]

I think I see what you mean. There's so many "evil" variants that people are making of chars (who were never remotley evil), it makes your head spin.

Seems to be just one of those Mugen trends.

[eg6gsr]

yea but dan was never really evil either but the char turned out great.....I was in the process of making a evil sean but then school made that go away

[johnnydancer]

would be cool to see a dark hado sean or someting, i wish i could make chars i just cant get my head round it

[Savage Henry]

yea but dan was never really evil either but the char turned out great.....I was in the process of making a evil sean but then school made that go away

there is an evil dan char.

[Draco]

would be cool to see a dark hado sean or someting, i wish i could make chars i just cant get my head round it

you can start making one or learn by tutorials or just messing around but im agree with kfm:

Does Evil Sean even make remote sense? How about "Really Pissy Sean"? Or "Hey, I-Actually-Won-a-Fight Ego Trip Sean"!
Sure it's a mouthful, but practicality people.

[SirAnzai]

It's not Evil Sean it's Dark Sean.

That said, Shotoclones need to die, as there's too many and the ideas been done to death over the last 20 years. <<

[Luis/Dshiznet]

yea but dan was never really evil either but the char turned out great.....I was in the process of making a evil sean but then school made that go away

there is an evil dan char.

and you miss read what he was saying

i cant wait for a evil sean

[MaverickZr0]

*Waits for Shin Lvl2 Sean*

[Ryu the Weredragon]

According to Capcom's rules of the Dark Hadou, an Evil Sean is HIGHLY possible.

"Evil" characters (Dark is a better term tho) would stem from a character being so desperate for victory that they'd do ANYTHING to win. It'd only work for Shotos.

Akuma is always in this state.
Ryu was in this state for a few moments in SF.
Dan & Ken would never be in this state - Dan's too dense to realize his only won fights were because his opponent threw the fight, and Ken has too much to attach him to the real world.

Sakura & Sean are both young and inexperienced. Thus, they may come to a time when they have to decide how much fighting means to them. Sakura has won various fights over her tenure, so she probably will reject it, but Dark Sakura/Sunburned Sakura exists to show the possibility.

Sean has not won a single fight in his entire career as a fighter. So, he's got the highest likelyhood of caving in.

Of course, this is all from a storyline point of view.

[johnnydancer]

good logic there I would love to see a dark sean, haha instead of bouncing a basket ball he could be bouncing someones severd head and the begining of the match haha

[KPT25]

good logic there I would love to see a dark sean, haha instead of bouncing a basket ball he could be bouncing someones severd head and the begining of the match haha

at the idea of Sean playing basketball with human heads...
Maybe he needs to stop playing basket and focusing more on being shotokan...
Evil dan is as bad as Evil Ken,they are actually even and probably Dan was based on ken,he even has a hyper system similar to Evil ken from Reu

[Sabaki]

It's funny how Akuma & Ryu (as well as Ken) always get an "evil" version. You all should understand that that's a "non-Japanese" concept, right? For starters, the whole "Evil Ryu" from SF Alpha was a mistranslation from the Japanese "Satsui no Hadou ni Mezameta Ryu", which does not translate into "evil", nor was Ryu "evil" in his actions under this state (just desperate enough to wipe the floor with his opponent without a care of how far he should go in order to accomplish that). Nor is Akuma "evil", or was he ever "evil", and Shin Akuma doesn't associate him as being "evil". And "Violent Ken" isn't even a proper translation of what Ken actually was in SvC Chaos, which was brainwashed & programmed to fight in a heartless manner. M. Bison's evil (probably the only true evil character in the SF series), while Gill's not evil but because he's a boss....

Evil Dan was a made up concept (forgot who made that character) only, and according to how Capcom develeoped him, he lacks focus and a proper grip on reality to even get to an "evil" state. Dark Sakura (really just sunburned, but whatever) is possible, in terms of her drive to win. If she ever learned Ansatsuken properly and gets to understand what triggers Satsui no Hadou better, then that's a possibility. And an Evil Sean just isn't possible unless he's shown & trained in that way, which is something even Ken doesn't (and will not) go.

Seems like outside of Japan, a determined character that fights to win with a colder intention is considered "evil"  . This is just an example of why ALOT of the storylines and character personalities in games in the past have not been properly translated into English 

[Zeswai]

We just got learned.

[★Leon★]

*announcer voice*

This day videogame's history lesson has been brough
to you by Sabaki-sama

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on a serious note, that's not exclusive for Street Fighter...
same thing happened with Orochi e_e

[BigJ]

Nor is Akuma "evil", or was he ever "evil", and Shin Akuma doesn't associate him as being "evil".

Ok... so Akuma isnt evil? Not questioning you or anything but he seems evil enough to me o_O. And what does "shin" actually mean then?

the whole "Evil Ryu" from SF Alpha was a mistranslation from the Japanese "Satsui no Hadou ni Mezameta Ryu", which does not translate into "evil", nor was Ryu "evil" in his actions under this state (just desperate enough to wipe the floor with his opponent without a care of how far he should go in order to accomplish that)

Thats understandable, but does the dark hadou play a role in that at all?

"Violent Ken" isn't even a proper translation of what Ken actually was in SvC Chaos, which was brainwashed & programmed to fight in a heartless manner. M. Bison's evil (probably the only true evil character in the SF series)

In other words, fight violently?

I'm officially confused

[Sabaki]

In order to really understand about Ryu and the others you need to understand asian culture. I'm not gonna elaborate on it that long, since it'll become a history lesson, but an ambitious person who fights coldly is not "evil"unless they disregard innocent human life, nature, and pretty much have intentions that are not beneficial for anyone besides themselves. Akuma isn't evil for the fact that he only fights people that are as strong or stronger than him. He has in no way hurt or attacked an innocent person just for the hell of it. M. Bison has through his Shadowloo organization. "Shin" simply means a person is showing their true colors. In terms of Akuma, he always fights first with half his strength. When he feels his fighter's worthy, he'll fight his opponent with his full power. However, "Shin Akuma" in not a mode, but just a term stating "The True Akuma".

Satsui no Hadou ni Mezameta Ryu loosely translates into "Ryu, who has discovered the true essense of Satsui no Hadou". Satsui no Hadou is not a technique, but a state of mind which needs to be crossed by setting in your mind & soul the desire to win without any regards or regrets in decimating your opponent. Does it warp a person's mind? To a degree, yes. However, it isn't that you become "evil", you just become less sensitive in how you treat people, and more inclined to fight. In Ryu's case, it's for power & to prove he's the best. Akuma went through the same thing. But you noticed that none go around killing people (although technically Ryu never got into this state as depicted in SF Alpha, but only for an instant when he fought Sagat in SF 1). The only time Akuma ever kills anyone was M. Bison during SF 2, just for the fact that although Bison was a strong adversary, but he was twisted and by nature, evil.

As for Ken, yeah because he was in his brainwashed state he was "violent", but not evil. If you look at the justice system in the USA, a person who has mental issues is not held responsible for their actions because they cannot consciously make right or wrong decisions like a sane person (although this is the ideal way of looking at it, we know that ALOT of people plead insanity on purpose to avoid jail time when it's clear as they they're just downright heartless). Anyways, Ken's brainwashed state isn't canoned in Capcom's storyline, but the concept was taken (obviously) from SF II: The Animated Movie. Anyways, tagging Ken with "Violent" is an easy way to explain his delirous state, but misleads people that he has become "violent" by choice....

[BigJ]

Ah I see. I get it now.

[Sasuke-kun]

Japanese Lesson Hyper Combo Finish!!!

Sabaki wins...

Get ready for next fight...

[Sabaki]

Japanese Lesson Hyper Combo Finish!!!

Sabaki wins...

Get ready for next fight...

  Sorry for getting off topic....

[SirAnzai]

*announcer voice*

This day videogame's history lesson has been brough
to you by Sabaki-sama

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on a serious note, that's not exclusive for Street Fighter...
same thing happened with Orochi e_e

No, "Orochi" characters are different from "Evil" characters.

"Orochi" characters (Yashiro, Yamazaki, Iori, Leona, Chris, Shermie, Goenitz, Magaki, Mukai, Rugal) all have their abilities stem from Orochi, and most (everyone but Yamazaki, Iori, Leona, and to an extent, Rugal) are actually his "messengers" (like disciples).  However, not everyone can use the power of the Orochi, most notably Rugal (Iori even told him that since he's not of the bloodline, he can't control the power), which is why Orochi characters in Mugen (everyone but those I listed) are not canon and don't make any sense even with a story given, since 1: they usually deal with Orochi "blessing" them with his power, and 2: most don't have any theme as it is (all "messengers" of Orochi represent a certain element, which is shown in their moves) to distinguish from another "messenger".

[SiddtheKidd]

Japanese Lesson Hyper Combo Finish!!!

Sabaki wins...

Get ready for next fight...

  Sorry for getting off topic....

technicly you weren't offtopic you were speaking of dark/evil sean along with other shotokans

[Ryu the Weredragon]

Actually... to tell you the truth, that's only PARTIALLY right.

See, Gouken went out of his WAY to ensure that Ryu wouldn't enter Satsu no Hadou. But he did.

So it's highly possible that Sakura and Sean could enter it despite not having the training...


Also, since you didn't answer, I'll say it myself, Shin means "True". Shin Akuma is basically Akuma not holding back.