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Title: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on February 08, 2008, 04:16:52 PM
okay, the old thread was too long, so thanks to excursion he will have a new and great stance.
new changes (so some people will have some sleep, and like scar told me do your own helpers): here is my batmobile:
WHICH ONE DO YOU PREFER?/
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/886/batmobile3zh8.png)
(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9716/batmobile2ig4.png)
starfire:  (http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4950/26uz1.png)[/quote][/quote]
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on February 08, 2008, 04:19:53 PM
Well you know Drake better, which Batmobile suits him more?

As for starfire, very nice. I like it. She's gonna replace the Wonder Girl super?
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: laspacho on February 08, 2008, 04:20:16 PM
Cool, it looks like Adam West's batmobile!
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on February 08, 2008, 04:23:53 PM
YES it s the same one adam west used, and starfire will replace starfire.(wonder girl and cyborg will stay) ^^(PM)^
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: MirageAtoli on February 08, 2008, 04:32:40 PM
I'd much rather see a robin-cycle than a batmobile, if possible.

First batmobile looks good.
The second batmobile has the wrong perpsective to move across the screen but looks pretty darn awesome as well.

The Starfire looks good too. Watch the area around her left breast (that would be your right.)

I personally am for having Robin change instances based on either groove selection, pallete choice, or multiple def files.

For example: You could have an early live-action Robin with the appropriate portraits, AdamWest-mobile and sounds from the show.
A DCAU Robin and Batman season 4 batmobile (as you have shown).
A Teen Titans Robin (with a Motorcycle).

If you wanted to you could also throw in a movie version.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Shingokusatsu on February 08, 2008, 04:35:57 PM
Definitly the "old" batmobile [-O<
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on February 08, 2008, 04:52:03 PM
YEAH, a Bat-cycle! Like from Batman and Robin: TAS
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: .Batzarro. on February 08, 2008, 10:23:11 PM
I would also rather see the motorcycle too, but my choice for Batmobile would definitely have to be the Adam West one. That one came out really sweet. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: UltraRoboninja on February 08, 2008, 11:01:49 PM
I agree, the motorcycle would be sweet! If that's not possible, definitely the old-school batmobile. Don't forget the fire coming from the exhaust pipe!
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Rage on February 08, 2008, 11:40:08 PM
Robincycle is for the best. Its his style 8)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: malisiousjoe on February 08, 2008, 11:54:14 PM
Robincycle is for the best. Its his style 8)
Agreed.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on February 09, 2008, 01:09:26 AM
IT will be the old school batmobile, because in the comics, robin 3 didn t have a bike before infinite crisis. THANKS for your suggestions, robin will have some new sprites to make him more fluid too.(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4752/proof10px7.png)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on February 09, 2008, 01:24:59 AM
welcome in the sixties:
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1861/mugen5se4.png)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Excursion on February 09, 2008, 05:12:49 AM
Definitely that old Batmobile is  :thumbsup:

Greta sprite-work here  ^^(PM)^


Figured I would help you out with your Avatar Jason.

(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6711/jasontoddaviqu1.png)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Z999 on February 09, 2008, 07:43:05 AM
Yo Jasontodd, no offense i hope, but i edited your starfire just to see what i could do.

(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9906/26uz1zi5.png)(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2986/26uz1dju3.png)(http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2586/26uz1dtku6.png)

Hope you like it, if you want you are more than free to use it...  ;D

And nice batmobile, better than the batman's one i think.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: MuηkyMØÜf on February 09, 2008, 09:38:17 AM
Mos Definately the Old Skool Batmobile! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The sprite of Starfire in the 1st post reminds me of Psylocke & Jean Grey for some reason :-??
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on February 09, 2008, 02:45:38 PM
Yo Jasontodd, no offense i hope, but i edited your starfire just to see what i could do.

(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9906/26uz1zi5.png)(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2986/26uz1dju3.png)(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/953/26uz1dtby2.png)

Hope you like it, if you want you are more than free to use it...  ;D

And nice batmobile, better than the batman's one i think.  :thumbsup:

Hey Z666 , Nice Starfire edits . Jason I think it may be a good idea to do something like this with her . She doesn't look as much like Jean Grey anymore .  :thumbsup:

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/Harley_Joker-1.gif)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on February 09, 2008, 03:30:26 PM
Yo Jasontodd, no offense i hope, but i edited your starfire just to see what i could do.

(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9906/26uz1zi5.png)(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2986/26uz1dju3.png)(http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2586/26uz1dtku6.png)

Hope you like it, if you want you are more than free to use it...  ;D

And nice batmobile, better than the batman's one i think.  :thumbsup:

I agree the third one will be in, thanks by the way :thumbsup:
would you please change this one too, so has the same style, too, please [-O<
(http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6640/26zze1.png)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Z999 on February 09, 2008, 04:39:43 PM
Sure, just give me ten/twenty minutes...  :O*D

Here it is, hope it helps : (http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/890/26zze1fub6.png)(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4342/26zze1jy3.png)
And while i was at it, corrected some minors things on the first one : (http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4315/26uz1dtkd5.png)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: aPoCaLyPsE on February 09, 2008, 05:10:45 PM
Sure, just give me ten/twenty minutes...  :O*D

Done : (http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/890/26zze1fub6.png)(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4342/26zze1jy3.png)

Nice conversation Z666  :)

-"aPoC."
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on February 09, 2008, 05:25:52 PM
Sure, just give me ten/twenty minutes...  :O*D

Here it is, hope it helps : (http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/890/26zze1fub6.png)(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4342/26zze1jy3.png)
And while i was at it, corrected some minors things on the first one : (http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4315/26uz1dtkd5.png)

that was fast  :) thanks so much :w00t:
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!! LVL 16!! on February 09, 2008, 08:35:36 PM
Are you going to include the Teen Titans theme song for one of the Hyper attacls?  :-SS
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Z999 on February 09, 2008, 08:51:34 PM
No problem Jason, feel free to ask again if you need to change some starfire sprites.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: ♦ßlôödÑinjå♦ on February 10, 2008, 01:17:34 AM
Great job on the Batmobile.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on February 10, 2008, 03:08:31 AM
No problem Jason, feel free to ask again if you need to change some starfire sprites.

Hey what about if we need some supergirl sprites  :DxDie Just joking . Great job on that starfire , so fast . just to make it clear we do have your permission to use these , correct ?

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/Harley_Joker-1.gif)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Z999 on February 10, 2008, 09:33:05 AM
Of course, as i said feel free to use them. This is the way i like mugen, the "create and share" indeed. So yeah, i'll stick with the you like it, you ask for it, you have permission to use it.
And i enjoyed playing robin, so if i can help to get him a nice update...

(on a side note, i am not really familiar with dc characters, my comics knowledge is marvel based (more or less from x-cutionner to onslaugh) so uhhhhh i don't even know what supergirl looks like, aside from a superman in skirts ^^)

Anyway time pour un café/clope/doors...
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on February 10, 2008, 09:42:42 AM
we really appreciate what you have done ^:)^, once again thanks, et prends un bon café ;), t' es francais? :O*D
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on February 10, 2008, 08:42:13 PM
Of course, as i said feel free to use them. This is the way i like mugen, the "create and share" indeed. So yeah, i'll stick with the you like it, you ask for it, you have permission to use it.
And i enjoyed playing robin, so if i can help to get him a nice update...

(on a side note, i am not really familiar with dc characters, my comics knowledge is marvel based (more or less from x-cutionner to onslaugh) so uhhhhh i don't even know what supergirl looks like, aside from a superman in skirts ^^)

Anyway time pour un café/clope/doors...

I just wanted to make things crystal clear on that . We had a problem like that arise with Robin before .

Thanx for helping out , much appreciated .  :w00t:

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/Harley_Joker-1.gif)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on February 11, 2008, 01:13:00 AM
okay, i m sorry, i checked my comics and robin had a bike in 1999, under dixon's run before no man's land, so i m trying to the motorcycle.
The big question is whatever happens to the batmobile?? it will be used on a secet character from this "area", i will be updating, so stay tuned <_<|...|
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: aa250 on February 11, 2008, 01:14:49 AM
okay, i m sorry, i checked my comics and robin had a bike in 1999, under dixon's run before no man's land, so i m trying to the bike.
The big question is whatever happens to the batmobile?? it will be used on a secet character from this "area", i will be updating, so stay tuned <_<|...|

You take your time Robin is awesome character. Good luck Team Spoiler. ^^(PM)^ ^^(PM)^
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on February 11, 2008, 04:48:54 PM
I was like, robin is gonna have an update so why won t he have some helpers's update too so i saw this:
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8449/245pxraventitans08kk6.jpg)
AND DID THIS:  :omg:
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2325/ravenxz7.png)
38 minutes to do this  >:(
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: MuηkyMØÜf on February 11, 2008, 06:47:06 PM
Nice Job on Ravn but her chest looks warped really bad <_<|...|
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on February 22, 2008, 05:43:40 AM
UPDATE 25%
(http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1571/mugen9dg3.png)
(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5679/tteentitans400cd9.jpg)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Sigfried on February 22, 2008, 12:12:39 PM
I don't wanna be a bad dude but your edits need a lot of work, but this are only my two cent's.
I think you need work more on the shadows, I don't know if you are doing your job from scratch,
but I sujest use based and dont delete all the shadows.

Look a 5' edit, whit Gate's idea
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3548/ravenvi6.png)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on February 22, 2008, 12:40:43 PM
first: after what you have said on another forum i shouldn t answer to you  :-"
second, just download the beta and you will see there is shading on the character =P~, this palette really mess with the colors.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!! LVL 16!! on February 22, 2008, 06:40:55 PM
UPDATE 25%
(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5679/tteentitans400cd9.jpg)
YEAH!!! I'm glad youre Paying attention to the Comics!!! +10 points!! :w00t:
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on February 23, 2008, 08:47:35 AM
first: after what you have said on another forum i shouldn t answer to you  :-"
second, just download the beta and you will see there is shading on the character =P~, this palette really mess with the colors.

I wouldnt worry about it Jason its vogue to diss on Spoiler these days. All the cool kids are doing it  :D

Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Gabbard on February 23, 2008, 09:38:29 AM
first: after what you have said on another forum i shouldn t answer to you  :-"
second, just download the beta and you will see there is shading on the character =P~, this palette really mess with the colors.

I wouldnt worry about it Jason its vogue to diss on Spoiler these days. All the cool kids are doing it  :D



 =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

 8)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Uche_of_IMT on February 26, 2008, 09:51:13 PM
first: after what you have said on another forum i shouldn t answer to you  :-"
second, just download the beta and you will see there is shading on the character =P~, this palette really mess with the colors.

I wouldnt worry about it Jason its vogue to diss on Spoiler these days. All the cool kids are doing it  :D


Humph. Well I say It's just plain rude.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Uche_of_IMT on February 26, 2008, 09:52:33 PM
This update on the latest boy wonder is looking more Marvel-versus-Capcom-styled. Will we see Robin use all of his gadgets and skills?
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on February 27, 2008, 12:26:03 AM
This update on the latest boy wonder is looking more Marvel-versus-Capcom-styled. Will we see Robin use all of his gadgets and skills?

Like what gadgets would you be referring to , sir ?

How about alot of guest stars instead ?  ;D

Robin is improving quickly . By the time the team is ready to release him again , he should be pretty solid . He was a good beta before in my opinion .

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/Harley_Joker-1.gif)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on February 27, 2008, 11:05:30 AM
Well he has a bat grenade, and 3 batarangs, a regular, a super, and homing birdarangs.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on February 27, 2008, 02:40:49 PM
i was thinking why nor make an ending like deadpool, here kid flash touch your screen and breaks it:
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9071/161dpx9.png)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: amarillo002 on February 27, 2008, 02:53:01 PM
haha lol

taht would be cool jason hehe
nice work
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Marancv on February 27, 2008, 04:04:34 PM
the first batmobile rocks... however i rather go with the cycle idea , thou..

for starfire, no offense but she looks like a Lion-O midnight bliss  :-??

keep up the work man  %%-
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on February 27, 2008, 04:26:39 PM
the first batmobile rocks... however i rather go with the cycle idea , thou..

for starfire, no offense but she looks like a Lion-O midnight bliss  :-??

keep up the work man  %%-

Thats actually how Starfire is supposed to look though.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Marancv on February 27, 2008, 07:07:23 PM
i know, but more than nuthing, i think the cause is the palette..seems very similar to Lion-O's one..(the mugen char)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on March 12, 2008, 01:59:58 PM
BECAUSE i take my time to make him perfect i thought i should show you some new robin 's sprites:
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3246/robinsfgggggelz0.jpg)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!! LVL 16!! on March 12, 2008, 10:12:20 PM
Yeah!!!  :w00t: Lookin sharp.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: C.R.O.M. - 有且只有一個 on March 12, 2008, 10:18:04 PM
You gonna have a Capeless version?Because that cape really irritates me...
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on March 13, 2008, 12:02:44 AM
You gonna have a Capeless version?Because that cape really irritates me...

Nope shure not.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: MirageAtoli on March 13, 2008, 01:32:27 AM
You gonna have a Capeless version?Because that cape really irritates me...

Nope shure not.

Is the cape mapped to its own colors?
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on March 13, 2008, 04:16:17 PM
I remade the palette for it, and the black is linked to the boots. It may be a good idea to fix that for pal makers, should be pretty easy to do.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: MirageAtoli on March 13, 2008, 04:24:52 PM
I remade the palette for it, and the black is linked to the boots. It may be a good idea to fix that for pal makers, should be pretty easy to do.

That is pretty easy to do if you set up a good workflow; You could almost automate the process to a boring repetitive action in Photoshop, except in the cases where the boots cross the cape.

is it also linked to the pole as well?

I could outline a method for you using Photoshop possibly next week if you'd like.

How often does the cape move across the body?
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on March 14, 2008, 02:51:01 AM
ROBIN: 40 %
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4212/robinsfgggggetd2.jpg)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: UltraRoboninja on March 14, 2008, 10:37:35 AM
Keep it up! He was cool before, but it looks like he's gonna be simply awesome after this huge update.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on March 14, 2008, 10:50:34 AM
I remade the palette for it, and the black is linked to the boots. It may be a good idea to fix that for pal makers, should be pretty easy to do.

That is pretty easy to do if you set up a good workflow; You could almost automate the process to a boring repetitive action in Photoshop, except in the cases where the boots cross the cape.

is it also linked to the pole as well?

I could outline a method for you using Photoshop possibly next week if you'd like.

How often does the cape move across the body?

Is it any easier than just filling the individual sprites using a new tile with the paint bucket in Fighter Factory?
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: aa250 on March 14, 2008, 01:59:30 PM
Absolutely awesome keep it up JT this is my favorite character. he was good before and he will get much better. ^^(PM)^ ^^(PM)^ ^^(PM)^
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on March 16, 2008, 10:58:22 AM
TWO robin new moves because he now is a six buttons character (thanks again excursion and alexziq):
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9638/mugen0sd7.png)
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/755/mugen0hfnf4.png)
hope you like them  [-O<
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: laspacho on March 16, 2008, 02:40:18 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on March 19, 2008, 01:43:27 PM
ROBIN: 50%
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7651/robinsfgggggebl3.jpg)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on March 19, 2008, 01:46:41 PM
So I guess that Speedy is going to be added after all .  :thumbsup:

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/hobgoblin1-1.gif)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!! LVL 16!! on March 19, 2008, 04:26:24 PM
So I guess that Speedy is going to be added after all .  :thumbsup:


It was crap that they wrote her off the Teen Titans Comic Book too soon!

ONTOPIC: Speedy Looks a little stiff on the arms and legs. She needs to loosen up a bit.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on March 20, 2008, 01:05:26 AM
So I guess that Speedy is going to be added after all .  :thumbsup:


It was crap that they wrote her off the Teen Titans Comic Book too soon!

ONTOPIC: Speedy Looks a little stiff on the arms and legs. She needs to loosen up a bit.

She's in her arrow shooting stance .  Kind of stiff looking on purpose .

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/hobgoblin1-1.gif)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on March 20, 2008, 02:10:50 AM
So I guess that Speedy is going to be added after all .  :thumbsup:


It was crap that they wrote her off the Teen Titans Comic Book too soon!

ONTOPIC: Speedy Looks a little stiff on the arms and legs. She needs to loosen up a bit.

yes, i agree the sprite isn t perfect, but that s th best we could do, speedy is really a difficult character to sprite, nonetheless she is part of helpers's attack and she is not alone she will shooting arrows side by side with the master: green arrow:
green arrow:
(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4421/63wi9.png)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!! LVL 16!! on March 20, 2008, 02:20:09 AM
So I guess that Speedy is going to be added after all .  :thumbsup:


It was crap that they wrote her off the Teen Titans Comic Book too soon!

ONTOPIC: Speedy Looks a little stiff on the arms and legs. She needs to loosen up a bit.

yes, i agree the sprite isn t perfect, but that s th best we could do, speedy is really a difficult character to sprite, nonetheless she is part of helpers's attack and she is not alone she will shooting arrows side by side with the master: green arrow:
green arrow:
(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4421/63wi9.png)

Awesome!! more comic book Fanservice!! Nice!!  :w00t:

Speaking of comic books, other than the current Comic Book Robin, Are you guys referencing anything else?? For example the Teen Titans Cartoon, the Batman Movies, or even the Video Games???
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on March 23, 2008, 05:59:34 PM
PROGRESS: sprites: 100%
(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/307/robinsfgggggeko1.jpg)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: laspacho on March 23, 2008, 08:51:26 PM
Great, can't wait to check out the final product.  The first release was awesome.   :w00t:
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: amarillo002 on March 23, 2008, 08:59:26 PM
 :w00t:
yeei winaly you finish spriting its good to see that
now only the coding is necesarely :P
nice job jason i realy like it
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on April 16, 2008, 01:46:31 AM
robin will be released the 4th july, here is his latest vid:
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!! LVL 16!! on April 16, 2008, 02:19:02 AM
4rth of July Huh??? ... Calender Marked!!  :thumbsup: Ohhh yes, Fireworks will spark that day.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on May 21, 2008, 04:17:45 PM
second beta released:
http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Forum_345/index.php?topic=13117.msg155549#msg155549
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: amarillo002 on May 21, 2008, 07:04:24 PM
it got leaked??...sorry for that
but thanks for releasing the beta
still my calendar is marked for 4th july :D
seeya
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on May 22, 2008, 05:35:43 AM
since infinity will release one great batman character, you won t see batman in the final robin release, so someone had to drive the old batmobile and oNly one old man on the earth could it s alfred  ;*)):
(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5459/mugen4ih2.png)
in the ending only nightwing could fill batman's shoes, and he will be one of the new helpers too. ;)
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8835/124sh0.png)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!! LVL 16!! on May 22, 2008, 10:33:15 PM
Nice, you added in the least appreciated Robin in there too!!  :thumbsup:

Stephanie Brown, the first and only Female Robin!!
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: BlizzardTora on May 23, 2008, 11:32:26 PM
Cant wait to see the entire Teen Titans team complete.

Also a question: Will you be editing Boy Wonders standing sprites. They still look beta-ish, I figure you could get rid of the sliding foot and just have him breath like gambit and maybe add a variable stance much like GGX to give him some detail.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on June 18, 2008, 04:26:12 PM
the new stance has been criticized a lot, so if some of you want to try something just post it here, i might take it
here is one character you should see a lot in the update:
(http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6140/h1fyu1.png)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on June 18, 2008, 04:33:09 PM
Personally I wouldnt listen to the people whining about the stance. People gripe about everything. I really want to improve what was done already before adding anything else. I think the sprites in the twirl that were all messed up was part of the gripe, and Ive fixed those.

I was not really happy with the beta being released at all, and if you keep adding stuff to Robin I wont be able to get a solid working one out anytime soon.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Acey on June 19, 2008, 06:14:11 PM
the new stance has been criticized a lot, so if some of you want to try something just post it here, i might take it
here is one character you should see a lot in the update:
(http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6140/h1fyu1.png)

Funny, I was just about to Pm you regarding the stance  ;)

Edit a few hours later:
I guess I'm on a DC trip right now.  ;)

(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/324/stancelq3.gif)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on June 20, 2008, 01:40:02 AM
SOLD :)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: .Batzarro. on June 20, 2008, 01:53:28 AM
That's the perfect stance. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: aa250 on June 20, 2008, 01:54:26 AM
 :o :o :o :o :o I love it. :)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Luis/Dshiznet on June 20, 2008, 01:59:29 AM
i dunno.. i looks like hes jerking that rod lol...
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Theendgamelv3 on June 20, 2008, 02:10:39 AM
Great, now I see it the same way as Dshiznetz lol. It looks good regardless.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on June 20, 2008, 09:32:36 AM
the new stance has been criticized a lot, so if some of you want to try something just post it here, i might take it
here is one character you should see a lot in the update:
(http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6140/h1fyu1.png)

Funny, I was just about to Pm you regarding the stance  ;)

Edit a few hours later:
I guess I'm on a DC trip right now.  ;)

(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/324/stancelq3.gif)

I like it a lot, but the problem I see here is that it's not going to match the rest of the sprites at all. Jason if you want to put the effort into editing all the legs to match the stance I say go for it. Keep in mind you may need to frankensprite a lot of them, because those dont look like Hayatos legs. Personally I still like Excursions stance, and wouldnt let a few jealous trolls delay the project another 6 months.

I think I may just complete the old Robin with the current stuff, and you can always realease this version down the road. 
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Acey on June 20, 2008, 10:23:03 AM
I disagree AlexZiq,

The boots on JT's sprites change size depending on the source of the base sprite already. When the base is spider-man the boots are the same as I just did them, when it's Hayato they tend to be thicker but the switch between the two is somewhat minor.

Either way, there sprites are available for JT is he wants. I had enough fun making them in the first palce.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on June 20, 2008, 10:34:43 AM
I disagree AlexZiq,

The boots on JT's sprites change size depending on the source of the base sprite already. When the base is spider-man the boots are the same as I just did them, when it's Hayato they tend to be thicker but the switch between the two is somewhat minor.

Either way, there sprites are available for JT is he wants. I had enough fun making them in the first palce.

I'll take a look again Acey, but what I looked at was the stance to walk. The stance seemed taller, and the walk looked like the legs were shorter, and stubbier with the boots looking much thicker.

However I didnt think Excursions stance looked right at 1st either, and it grew on me, so this deserves a second look.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Acey on June 20, 2008, 10:42:17 AM
OK, Let me explain the stance a bit:

1) I started with Jason's 0,0 sprite of course and that became frame 2 of the 4 frame animation, that means for one frame is is crouched a little more and for two frames he stands slightly more errect. The point is, he's not any taller.

2) The boots were thinned down and definition was added to the legs

3) The shoulders were brought in slightly

These are the things you'll want to compare.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: shinra358 on June 20, 2008, 10:43:53 AM
the new stance has been criticized a lot, so if some of you want to try something just post it here, i might take it
here is one character you should see a lot in the update:
(http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6140/h1fyu1.png)

Funny, I was just about to Pm you regarding the stance  ;)

Edit a few hours later:
I guess I'm on a DC trip right now.  ;)

(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/324/stancelq3.gif)

Yes that is a perfect stance for robin. Jus slow it down and it will suffice ;)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: O Ilusionista on June 20, 2008, 10:45:49 AM
i dunno.. i looks like hes jerking that rod lol...

Yes, its a very nice sprite edit....but looks like he is scracthing his back with the Rod :)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on June 20, 2008, 10:46:54 AM
I still don't understand what the hell was wrong with the stance Excursion made  :-??

I liked it .


(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/MedSpawn2.gif)

 
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on June 20, 2008, 10:54:48 AM
OK, Let me explain the stance a bit:

1) I started with Jason's 0,0 sprite of course and that became frame 2 of the 4 frame animation, that means for one frame is is crouched a little more and for two frames he stands slightly more errect. The point is, he's not any taller.

2) The boots were thinned down and definition was added to the legs

3) The shoulders were brought in slightly

These are the things you'll want to compare.

Okay the taller deal might be my own mind taking into account other things. But I think it looks a little odd going from Spidey thin legs to the bulkier hayato ones that are pretty plain on most of the sprites.

Again I'll look at it again after work, but I try to think like Batzarro when I judge these things because he's an anal detail guy, and I think he would want the sprites to match a little more if this were his WIP. I know if I were to thin out Harley's hips even more, he would want it done all throughout the character.

Title: Re: robin update
Post by: hlflash07 on June 20, 2008, 10:55:46 AM
robin's stance looks alittle odd 2 me
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on June 20, 2008, 11:03:42 AM
OK, Let me explain the stance a bit:

1) I started with Jason's 0,0 sprite of course and that became frame 2 of the 4 frame animation, that means for one frame is is crouched a little more and for two frames he stands slightly more errect. The point is, he's not any taller.

2) The boots were thinned down and definition was added to the legs

3) The shoulders were brought in slightly

These are the things you'll want to compare.

Okay the taller deal might be my own mind taking into account other things. But I think it looks a little odd going from Spidey thin legs to the bulkier hayato ones that are pretty plain on most of the sprites.

Again I'll look at it again after work, but I try to think like Batzarro when I judge these things because he's an anal detail guy, and I think he would want the sprites to match a little more if this were his WIP. I know if I were to thin out Harley's hips even more, he would want it done all throughout the character.



I get where you are going with this

It's like putting my harley stance in with the rest of zarro's sprites . It just won't look right . The Robin with spidey legs is the same scenario .

I still didn't have a problem with Excursion's . I thought Robin twirling the stick over his head was amazing .  :-??

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/MedSpawn2.gif)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on June 20, 2008, 11:15:36 AM
Exactly, now do I wish Robin looked like Acey through out the character, sure. It would also distance itself from Seths old sprite we based it on.

However Acey feels the change is minor, so it certainley deserves a 2nd look. I think the main thing that really looked odd was the detail to plain legs.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Acey on June 20, 2008, 11:50:33 AM
Or just fatten up the boots on the stance...?  :-?? Isn't it fun playing around with JT's char while he's away?

@ DT, Excursion's "Stance" really isn't a stance, it's a bo stick twirl to add variety to the stance, which I think should stay in the stance anyways as it currently is.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on June 20, 2008, 12:31:24 PM
Or just fatten up the boots on the stance...?  :-?? Isn't it fun playing around with JT's char while he's away?

@ DT, Excursion's "Stance" really isn't a stance, it's a bo stick twirl to add variety to the stance, which I think should stay in the stance anyways as it currently is.
THAT s what i was thinking too, i wanted to change the boots, but you know two attacks have been taken from spiderman and nobody noticed that before like this one:
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7712/mugen5ze7.png)
ANd the two new moves on the update are a mix from spiderman and hayato
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on June 20, 2008, 01:25:35 PM
Or just fatten up the boots on the stance...?  :-?? Isn't it fun playing around with JT's char while he's away?

@ DT, Excursion's "Stance" really isn't a stance, it's a bo stick twirl to add variety to the stance, which I think should stay in the stance anyways as it currently is.
THAT s what i was thinking too, i wanted to change the boots, but you know two attacks have been taken from spiderman and nobody noticed that before like this one:
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7712/mugen5ze7.png)
ANd the two new moves on the update are a mix from spiderman and hayato

No I did notice, but put it in gameplay, and its hardly noticable. The differance is the stance just stands there, while that frame doesnt last a second. This example is a little differant than the stance. Some of the sprites still have Hayato's knee pads on. its hardly noticable with excursions stance, but with this one they stick out too much in my opinion.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on June 20, 2008, 01:55:19 PM
Or just fatten up the boots on the stance...?  :-?? Isn't it fun playing around with JT's char while he's away?

@ DT, Excursion's "Stance" really isn't a stance, it's a bo stick twirl to add variety to the stance, which I think should stay in the stance anyways as it currently is.

OK so that's all I wanted to hear . The Excursion bo stick twirl will stay . That was most impressive to me when Ex made that .

Now onto the new stance .....

I still have to agree that the legs won't match .  Can't you use different legs than spiderman's ? I seen you draw those animations in the Batman vid . Since you are toying around with Robin , can't you just redraw the stance ? This way he will have the right size legs .


(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/MedSpawn2.gif)


 
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Acey on June 22, 2008, 01:20:54 AM
It's all up to JT.

btw, just to be clear, they weren't spider-man legs, I just drew them. But for conversations sake we can call it Spider-man legs and hayato legs.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Excursion on June 22, 2008, 01:29:33 AM
So, Acey vs Excursion's stance huh?  ;*))


Acey, your stance looks hot. I guess everyone will have to see it in-game and how he transitions from stance to walk back/forth to make a final decision on which one fits best. If the whole character was based off the slimmer look, yours hands down would be a clear winner. :-??
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on June 22, 2008, 03:00:33 AM
suspens, suspens @-)
 :-$
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on June 22, 2008, 03:54:28 PM
So, Acey vs Excursion's stance huh?  ;*))


Acey, your stance looks hot. I guess everyone will have to see it in-game and how he transitions from stance to walk back/forth to make a final decision on which one fits best. If the whole character was based off the slimmer look, yours hands down would be a clear winner. :-??

 ::fight::

 :DxDie


Here's my opinion . Acey's stance  should be used . The legs need yo be thickened up a little . Excursion's Bo staff twirl has to be in there . The combination of the 2 makes a perfect animation .  :thumbsup:

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/MedSpawn2.gif)
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: esn23 on June 23, 2008, 06:28:57 AM
Wow nice Robin... I like him a lot... Now Batzarro should make Harley a lot skinner. So when she goes against Robin she doesnt look out of place.  Great job!!
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on June 23, 2008, 09:56:41 AM
Now Batzarro should make Harley a lot skinner. So when she goes against Robin she doesnt look out of place.  Great job!!

A. >:-(-|

B. I find it interesting that people keep making these comments about the size of Harley. A good percentage of Harleys sprites are from Jill, and Psylocke whom I never see anyone complain about their size, and Zarro did resize the Mika's to match Jill, and Psylocke.
Apocs punisher is a lot bulkier than Punisher is, but other than a few gripers, everybody loves it.

C. I know youve had a lot of help on your sprites, and at one point wanted someone to do them for you, so you shouldnt really talk.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on June 23, 2008, 10:13:55 AM
OMG ! There must be something in the air & it must be official " use Punisher as an example for everything week "  :DxDie

You guys both chill out before I start handing out warnings .  8=|

Wait ..........

I'm at the wrong forum to do that  :DxDie  8-}

@ alexziq

I don't really think he ever denied having help with his sprites . As a matter of fact he proudly  posted in his thread that Eclipse is teaching/helping him . So that point is kind of mute .

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/MedSpawn2.gif)



Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on June 23, 2008, 10:47:35 AM
I said my peace, I wasnt looking for a flame battle anyway. Ive grown up a lot as a poster as of recent time.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Acey on June 23, 2008, 10:54:12 AM
JT, Robin is great, even playing the older beta, the potential is just awesome. I look forward to seeing your updates.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Alexziq on June 23, 2008, 11:02:26 AM
Ive got all the animations lined up correct, and fixed the bugs with the Cyborg helper, and added several MvC 2 sparks to him, and 2 of the super batarangs I programmed were too similar so I programed a new move where Robin tosses a ball, and line that ties up P2. i also updated the Superjump.  I hope I can get a more solid beta out by late July. After that Jason has plans for some other new stuff.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: aPoCaLyPsE on June 23, 2008, 11:09:34 AM
OMG ! There must be something in the air & it must be official " use Punisher as an example for everything week "  :DxDie
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/MedSpawn2.gif)

Fair Warning : Off-topic Punisher referencing 9/10 times leads to "Warnings", so watch those tongues fingers people.
 
:lies:  :DxDie

Just joshing, but seriously I'm undecided on the winposes myself. I agree if there was a way to use Ex's Twirl and Acey's stance and pivol (minus the boot issue, which appearntly, i'm over-looking cause I still don't see it) It would make for a interesting stance for Robin. Keep up the good works guys. Interested in the final tally.

-"aPoC."

Title: Re: robin update
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on June 23, 2008, 11:28:12 AM
 >:-(-|

That should be a new catch phrase " 9 out of 10 people who use Punisher as a reference end up with warnings "  :DxDie :DxDie :DxDie

alexziq I guess it is your lucky day you are the 1 who didn't .  :DxDie

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Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on June 23, 2008, 02:22:24 PM
OMG ! There must be something in the air & it must be official " use Punisher as an example for everything week "  :DxDie
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa64/DARKTALBAIN/MedSpawn2.gif)

Fair Warning : Off-topic Punisher referencing 9/10 times leads to "Warnings", so watch those tongues fingers people.
 
:lies:  :DxDie

Just joshing, but seriously I'm undecided on the winposes myself. I agree if there was a way to use Ex's Twirl and Acey's stance and pivol (minus the boot issue, which appearntly, i'm over-looking cause I still don't see it) It would make for a interesting stance for Robin. Keep up the good works guys. Interested in the final tally.

-"aPoC."



That s the idea :P
AND to acey thanks it s always good to receive congratulations and the final shouldn t disappoint. XD||
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: The Anvil on June 23, 2008, 02:52:49 PM
Looks great Jason, you have turned in to an exellent spriter, im really looking forward to the duo of Batman and Robin in mugen, my fav DC characters. Have you sorted palletes for the Robster yet??
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Weapon x program on June 23, 2008, 03:20:42 PM
 ???i don t wanna sound stupid but what is a robster?? ???
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: The Anvil on June 23, 2008, 04:01:42 PM
lol i just called robin , robster, you would get it if you liked pro wrestling lol. Anyway great work Jason.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: .Batzarro. on June 23, 2008, 04:19:11 PM
 >:-(-|

Wow nice Robin... I like him a lot... Now Batzarro should make Harley a lot skinner. So when she goes against Robin she doesnt look out of place.  Great job!!
Well, I've already explained this a hand full of times, and I believe you brought this up once (or twice) before, so I don't know what else you wanna hear. Her legs are pretty much the size as your White Queen's legs in your avy/sig now. Still though, if you don't wanna use her, don't have to.
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: Acey on June 23, 2008, 04:22:44 PM
>:-(-|

Wow nice Robin... I like him a lot... Now Batzarro should make Harley a lot skinner. So when she goes against Robin she doesnt look out of place.  Great job!!
Well, I've already explained this a hand full of times, and I believe you brought this up once (or twice) before, so I don't know what else you wanna hear. Her legs are pretty much the size as your White Queen's legs in your avy/sig now. Still though, if you don't wanna use her, don't have to.

Batzarro, I love how Harley looks and all the nay-sayers will eat their words when they have the final product in their own mugen. Let's not hi-jack TJ's thread again. The Robster is coming along great too
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: .Batzarro. on June 23, 2008, 04:34:07 PM
>:-(-|

Wow nice Robin... I like him a lot... Now Batzarro should make Harley a lot skinner. So when she goes against Robin she doesnt look out of place.  Great job!!
Well, I've already explained this a hand full of times, and I believe you brought this up once (or twice) before, so I don't know what else you wanna hear. Her legs are pretty much the size as your White Queen's legs in your avy/sig now. Still though, if you don't wanna use her, don't have to.

Batzarro, I love how Harley looks and all the nay-sayers will eat their words when they have the final product in their own mugen. Let's not hi-jack TJ's thread again. The Robster is coming along great too
Thanks, Acey. I do apologize for the off-topic post and will refrain from doing it again here. JT knows his Robin kicks major @ss and just gets better with every update. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: robin update
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on June 23, 2008, 06:39:03 PM
>:-(-|

Wow nice Robin... I like him a lot... Now Batzarro should make Harley a lot skinner. So when she goes against Robin she doesnt look out of place.  Great job!!
Well, I've already explained this a hand full of times, and I believe you brought this up once (or twice) before, so I don't know what else you wanna hear. Her legs are pretty much the size as your White Queen's legs in your avy/sig now. Still though, if you don't wanna use her, don't have to.

Batzarro, I love how Harley looks and all the nay-sayers will eat their words when they have the final product in their own mugen. Let's not hi-jack TJ's thread again. The Robster is coming along great too

Now they have Acey calling him the robster . What's this world coming to ?  :DxDie

I have to say that no offense to any of my other team members . But I say as of this moment , Robin is the team's best release .

Watch your back JT , there is a hellspawn on the horizon   ;*)) 

You know I am just joking with you , bro . I have been a supporter since day one of this project .

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Title: Re: robin update
Post by: The Anvil on June 25, 2008, 09:01:44 AM
I love that sig Jason, Robin looks great next to the Team Batman
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