Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 13, 2013, 10:59:30 PM
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With Capcom giving their DarkStalkers franchise a second chance with the recent Darkstalkers Resurrection, many thought this would finally make the publisher bring back the beloved fighting series. However, with almost little to no advertising for the remake, Capcom has revealed Resurrection didn’t meet their sales expectations.Am I the only one who thinks that the unpopularity of Darkstalkers is Capcom's fault?
Despite the HD collection making the bestseller list for the US PlayStation Store, Capcom’s Christian Svensson revealed on the Capcom Unity forums it wasn’t high enough to deem it successful. Svensson said,
“Sadly, it’s not as high on that list as it really needs to be to be successful”
But the publisher hasn’t lost all hope just yet, as Svensson continued on to say, “We’re working on promotions and the like to improve the situation. We’ve not given up.”
However, the senior Vice President then added,
“I’m disappointed in the opening sales response relative to any other fighting title we’ve put out on the same platforms given the frequency and urgency of requests we’ve had here over the last several years and the quality of the execution. It is the most fully featured and probably best project of this type we’ve done.”
And finally, Svensson concluded his post by not blaming the fans who bought the game, but himself for “misreading” the overall interest in the Darkstalkers franchise.
“And before people jump to the wrong conclusions, I'm not blaming fans who did buy it and supported the brand. I'm very thankful for those guys (thank you, to all of you). I'm more disappointed by my misread of the information in this particular case.”
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 13, 2013, 11:05:05 PM
Post by: C.R.O.M. - Shadaloo Lives! on April 13, 2013, 11:42:14 PM
I know I'm a bit late for the party, but I'm officially done with Capcom until the stop effing up. lol
Post by: C.M.G on April 13, 2013, 11:45:14 PM
Post by: Rage on April 14, 2013, 12:02:58 AM
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 14, 2013, 12:08:37 AM
Oh my poor dear Morrigan, will I only see you again in another crossover?
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Post by: G.P.O.A - GatlingPunchRalf on April 14, 2013, 12:34:46 AM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 14, 2013, 12:44:45 AM
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 14, 2013, 01:36:48 AM
@ MacaulynGameLover - Oh sure, only thing of the one Darkstalker who still gets to appear in crossovers. Think of the Darkstalkers who don't even have that much, like BB Hood and Jon TalbainHey, BB Hood appeared in MvC2. Anyway, you're right, Darkstalkers have an amazing collection of characters, Capcom would do well to make another game for the franchise, but we can't expect everyone to appear in the VS series.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on April 14, 2013, 12:45:19 PM
I know I'm a bit late for the party, but I'm officially done with Capcom until the stop effing up. lol
Heh, took you long enough. lol
... at least we have Ducktales
Yep, WayForward knows what they're doing so I'm buckle in once, JUST THIS ONCE, for DuckTales.
Oh hey, Capcom ruined something. What a turn of events!
lol, said no one ever.
Post by: O Ilusionista on April 14, 2013, 12:54:14 PM
Well maybe if you MADE A NEW GAME you would make more money from the franchise.
I second that. I really want a new game from that series, we don't want a so-called HD sprites one we want a new game. DS have some nice chars, could turn into a great new game.
And I am waiting for someone to jump here and screams something like "...like they did with Megaman". And too bad I don't have a gunshot here.
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Oh my poor dear Morrigan, will I only see you again in another crossover?That is the question. DS is NOT only Morrigan. They have way better characters.
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 14, 2013, 12:59:43 PM
That is the question. DS is NOT only Morrigan. They have way better characters.Morrigan was popular enough to steal Demitri's role as a protagonist, and she is MY favourite character. Its not like I don't care about the other characters, its just to say that she should get her protagonist role back.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on April 14, 2013, 01:00:11 PM
And I am waiting for someone to jump here and screams something like "...like they did with Megaman". And too bad I don't have a gunshot here.
O, I think we're past this now. Basically, Capcom has just told us they have no faith in any of their classic franchises anymore outside of Resident Evil, which even their fans are going tired of because the games have lost what made the game fun and engaging to play in the first place.
The fact that "Remember Me" is going to be a completely NEW IP from them in a Triple A setting is mind-boggling to me and if it fails to sell (with I highly believe it will because the main character is a female and sadly games with female leads haven't sold well since Beyond Good and Evil 10 years ago), Capcom is more than likely going to die.
Post by: Magma MK-II on April 14, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 14, 2013, 01:12:43 PM
O, I think we're past this now. Basically, Capcom has just told us they have no faith in any of their classic franchises anymore outside of Resident Evil, which even their fans are going tired of because the games have lost what made the game fun and engaging to play in the first place.Hey, but is not like the female lead is Capcom's fault, after all, Demitri was the original protagonist, Morrigan just kicked his butt from the top. Anyway, its not like the female leads doesn't sell well, its because Capcom doesn't care a f**k for their franchises.
The fact that "Remember Me" is going to be a completely NEW IP from them in a Triple A setting is mind-boggling to me and if it fails to sell (with I highly believe it will because the main character is a female and sadly games with female leads haven't sold well since Beyond Good and Evil 10 years ago), Capcom is more than likely going to die.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 14, 2013, 01:18:52 PM
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 14, 2013, 01:42:43 PM
Except for Street Fighter (:|Yeah, but Street Fighter doesn't have only a female on the lead. Actually Ryu is the one who has been leading the franchise while Chun-Li is probably the most popular female character from the gaming history, so it would be a great error to remove her.
Post by: -Whiplash- on April 14, 2013, 02:45:45 PM
Morrigan being the main character? I thought Morrigan and Donovan were the main characters?
As far as I know Dimitri is an antagonist? anyway, macaulyn, of all the people to complain about, Morrigan? I mean come on, she gets in all the cross overs, what about the other great characters like Jon Talbain, Jedah and lord Raptor? they're popular also, but they don't get into ANYTHING. I think the problem is that Capcom never represents the truly great character designs outside of Morrigan and Felicia, (an appearently Hsien-ko) so most people only ever know about them from darkstalkers because Capcom never puts anyone else in crossovers.
I would be so pumped if Jedah got into another game, but we all know that will never happen.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 14, 2013, 03:06:01 PM
But the main thing is we're miffed at Capcom's hatred for any franchise that isn't Street Fighter
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 14, 2013, 03:08:58 PM
so what's the argument about?Donovan is important, but Morrigan is the protagonist.
Morrigan being the main character? I thought Morrigan and Donovan were the main characters?
As far as I know Dimitri is an antagonist? anyway, macaulyn, of all the people to complain about, Morrigan? I mean come on, she gets in all the cross overs, what about the other great characters like Jon Talbain, Jedah and lord Raptor? they're popular also, but they don't get into ANYTHING. I think the problem is that Capcom never represents the truly great character designs outside of Morrigan and Felicia, (an appearently Hsien-ko) so most people only ever know about them from darkstalkers because Capcom never puts anyone else in crossovers.
I would be so pumped if Jedah got into another game, but we all know that will never happen.
Also, Demitri was going to be the protagonist, but Morrigan got more populat than him and was given this role. I don't care what you say, but yes, I complain about Morrigan, because she needs compilations of Capcom characters to appear somewhere, instead of having her own role on her own franchise. I also said that I like the other chars but Morrigan is my favourite, you should learn to respect the others' opinion a little more before criticizing.
For me, Jedah was the most crappy villain of the game. I mean, an Evil Messiah? How original is that? I just love to remember that Morrigan killed him.
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 14, 2013, 03:11:21 PM
But the main thing is we're miffed at Capcom's hatred for any franchise that isn't Street FighterYeah, Street Fighter is a very good franchise, but Capcom just screw up everything else, just because of its success? This isn't good, it shouldn't happen, they killed a classic such as Megaman and want to do it with all the other games now?
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 14, 2013, 03:16:02 PM
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on April 14, 2013, 03:20:47 PM
It's happening to a lot of game companies now. EA made I couldn't tell you how much money last year and yet their CEO stepped down because they weren't in their projected profit margin.
The people are starting to wait up, just look at this coming console generation. Nintendo fanatics aren't happy with the fact that Nintendo even made a new console, let alone the fact that its decent. Sony fanboys aren't impressed with the specs for the PS4 like they were with the last two consoles, and XBox fans are just waiting to jump ship if they say the Nextbox 720 needs constant online.
The next big gaming market crash is coming people, I'm saying it now, so don't be surprised when it happens.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 14, 2013, 03:24:31 PM
LONG LIVE THE N64! :w00t:
Post by: dan_aracena on April 14, 2013, 03:25:02 PM
Any way, i DO think capcom must reboot this franchise ... and give it a MORE dark and twisted atmosphere, i think if Capcom does it well, in Darkstalkers have the key to interest the more bizarre fighting gamers (that now are still enjoing Mortal Kombat) ...
(and also improve the look of some chars, because some of them like the girls, Talbain or Jedah, are awesome .... but others like Raptor, Sasquatch or even Demitri as a lot to improve, visually speaking)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 14, 2013, 03:28:38 PM
(and also improve the look of some chars, because some of them like the girls, Talbain or Jedah, are awesome .... but others like Raptor, Sasquatch or even Demitri as a lot to improve, visually speaking)I think everyone on the planet would kill you if you redesign Lord Raptor. He's a massive fan favorite.
Post by: dan_aracena on April 14, 2013, 03:38:45 PM
Big boobs = sales
I think everyone on the planet would kill you if you redesign Lord Raptor. He's a massive fan favorite.
hahaha ... no no no ... no redesign him (i am a fan of him too, specially the voice) but add some improves ... i mean, in the actual world of games (with a lot of zombies, and blody - ripped - walking creatures) Raptor could be more blodied, more twisted and bizarre, and move more like a rotten body ...
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 14, 2013, 03:44:15 PM
Post by: -Whiplash- on April 14, 2013, 03:46:13 PM
For me, Jedah was the most crappy villain of the game. I mean, an Evil Messiah? How original is that? I just love to remember that Morrigan killed him.
What? you have some sort of proof that morrigan killed him, because as far as I know, fighting game plots aren't resolved until you find out the conclusion in the next game (which for darkstalkers, does not exist.) Jedah's, lord raptor's, jon talbain, hsien-ko's designs are way better then morrigan's is IMO, you make this seem like I have some sort of vendetta against her (and by extension, you) I'm just saying, come on man, morrigan gets into every game she possibly can get into, everyone else (with the exception of Felicia) gets into nothing with no other logical reason then:
1. she's main charater (okay)
2. She's got big boobs.
Whip's argument is that Morrigan doesn't really deserve that kind of complaining since she's at least guaranteed to appear in every Capcom crossover; the other Darkstalkers don't get that privilege. All they have are the DS games, whereas Morrigan and Felicia have the DS games plus the crossovers and whatnot. There's nothing wrong with giving the other Darkstalkers some screentime instead of Morrigan. It's not a sacred law for her to be the lone DS rep.
Damn freaking Straight.
I think Morrigan's and Felicia's popularity its more sort of a Design thing .... Just go to a Comic-Con or Anime-Con, or Gamer-Con .... There'll be a some girls cosplaying Morrigan and Felicia (some of them very hot in deed .. but thats other subject >:-(-| ) and those girls doesnt even played any Darkstalkers games ..... they just love the outfit ...
exactly, because of Capcom's terrible decisions regarding who gets in crossovers, the only characters people know of is Morrigan and Felicia, and it doesn't help the franchise at all because no one feels the need or want to play as anyone else anyway due to this, so no one cares if there is a new game or not, since they can play as them in MVC3/2 anyway.
hahaha ... no no no ... no redesign him (i am a fan of him too, specially the voice) but add some improves ... i mean, in the actual world of games (with a lot of zombies, and blody - ripped - walking creatures) Raptor could be more blodied, more twisted and bizarre, and move more like a rotten body ...
More generic...
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 14, 2013, 03:50:48 PM
Whip's argument is that Morrigan doesn't really deserve that kind of complaining since she's at least guaranteed to appear in every Capcom crossover; the other Darkstalkers don't get that privilege. All they have are the DS games, whereas Morrigan and Felicia have the DS games plus the crossovers and whatnot. There's nothing wrong with giving the other Darkstalkers some screentime instead of Morrigan. It's not a sacred law for her to be the lone DS rep.But don't you see it? By appearing only in compilations shows that Morrigan only exists still by popularity, and considering what happened to Megaman, I don't know how longer this will save her. Anyway, being the protagonist, she deserves the role as the main representant of DS in the crossovers, because in Capcom Fighting Evolution, much people complained about her abscense.
The people are starting to wait up, just look at this coming console generation. Nintendo fanatics aren't happy with the fact that Nintendo even made a new console, let alone the fact that its decent. Sony fanboys aren't impressed with the specs for the PS4 like they were with the last two consoles, and XBox fans are just waiting to jump ship if they say the Nextbox 720 needs constant online.I saw somewhere that it seems that Nintendo's console market will fail. I hope it does, I don't want to be restricted from games such as Zelda and Mario because Nintendo doesn't make them to PS3 and X-Box 360. Anyway, I wouldn't be impressed with PS4 and X-Box 720 also, I don't see much new things and I don't think they will sell much.
The next big gaming market crash is coming people, I'm saying it now, so don't be surprised when it happens.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 14, 2013, 03:53:46 PM
Anyway, being the protagonist, she deserves the role as the main representant of DS in the crossovers, because in Capcom Fighting Evolution, much people complained about her abscense.I'm pretty sure that game was plagued with more damaging issues than the lack of Morrigan
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 14, 2013, 04:00:42 PM
What? you have some sort of proof that morrigan killed him, because as far as I know, fighting game plots aren't resolved until you find out the conclusion in the next game (which for darkstalkers, does not exist.) Jedah's, lord raptor's, jon talbain, hsien-ko's designs are way better then morrigan's is IMO, you make this seem like I have some sort of vendetta against her (and by extension, you) I'm just saying, come on man, morrigan gets into every game she possibly can get into, everyone else (with the exception of Felicia) gets into nothing with no other logical reason then:According to Villains wiki, it was Morrigan who killed him after his plan's failure and I think it was when Lilith returned to her body. And you speak about her design and gameplay, but that happens with any fighting game protagonist, there will always be someone with better gameplay than his, because the protagonist cannot change, but the others can. There will always be something new, what would you say if Capcom removed Hadouken from Ryu and given him another gameplay? And regarding the designs, did you see how much people criticized Dante's new look? They cannot just change it, the protagonists are fated to stay the way they are.
1. she's main charater (okay)
2. She's got big boobs.
Post by: Sigma9 on April 14, 2013, 04:01:38 PM
Post by: -Whiplash- on April 14, 2013, 04:10:15 PM
According to Villains wiki, it was Morrigan who killed him after his plan's failure and I think it was when Lilith returned to her body. And you speak about her design and gameplay, but that happens with any fighting game protagonist, there will always be someone with better gameplay than his, because the protagonist cannot change, but the others can. There will always be something new, what would you say if Capcom removed Hadouken from Ryu and given him another gameplay? And regarding the designs, did you see how much people criticized Dante's new look? They cannot just change it, the protagonists are fated to stay the way they are.a wiki? never mind the fact that it's a wiki I've never heard of. but Wiki's are not a reliable source of information unless the list there sources.
also, I never mentioned gameplay, so I don't see why you brought it up?
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 14, 2013, 04:21:29 PM
a wiki? never mind the fact that it's a wiki I've never heard of. but Wiki's are not a reliable source of information unless the list there sources.A game forum is enough for you?
also, I never mentioned gameplay, so I don't see why you brought it up?
http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/141969?threads/darkstalkers-vampire-series-general-discussion.141969/ (http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/141969?threads/darkstalkers-vampire-series-general-discussion.141969/)
It says that Morrigan has him killed in Vampire Savior.
Post by: -Whiplash- on April 14, 2013, 04:37:32 PM
A game forum is enough for you?
http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/141969?threads/darkstalkers-vampire-series-general-discussion.141969/ (http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/141969?threads/darkstalkers-vampire-series-general-discussion.141969/)
It says that Morrigan has him killed in Vampire Savior.
In the same topic guy asks where it was confirmed and gets no response. I'm gonna take it as it was just added there. Not saying it isn't true, just that there's no proof that it is.
FOund this in the topic:
BTW, Vampire Savior's story goes: Jedah kills Demitri, Dee kills Jedah, and Anita kills Dee.
Anita is by far the strongest character in Darkstalkers' canon.
based on Japanese sources, like the All About Capcom books. Saiki's Darkstalkers Story FAQ translates most of the pertinent stuff.
The Dee stuff is basically shown in full in DS Collection.
yup.
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 14, 2013, 04:56:06 PM
In the same topic guy asks where it was confirmed and gets no response. I'm gonna take it as it was just added there. Not saying it isn't true, just that there's no proof that it is.Dee himself is a what if character, just like the teenager version of Anita, its unknown which was the level of Dee's power, nor Anita's.
FOund this in the topic:
BTW, Vampire Savior's story goes: Jedah kills Demitri, Dee kills Jedah, and Anita kills Dee.
Anita is by far the strongest character in Darkstalkers' canon.
based on Japanese sources, like the All About Capcom books. Saiki's Darkstalkers Story FAQ translates most of the pertinent stuff.
The Dee stuff is basically shown in full in DS Collection.
yup.
Post by: C.R.O.M. - Shadaloo Lives! on April 14, 2013, 05:49:14 PM
Morrigan was popular enough to steal Demitri's role as a protagonist, and she is MY favourite character. Its not like I don't care about the other characters, its just to say that she should get her protagonist role back.I thought Demitri, Donovan, and Jon Talbain were the protagonists of Darkstalkers, Darkstalkers 2, and Darkstalkers 3 respectively. Or maybe I'm just crazy... Could be the latter. lol
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 14, 2013, 06:11:43 PM
I thought Demitri, Donovan, and Jon Talbain were the protagonists of Darkstalkers, Darkstalkers 2, and Darkstalkers 3 respectively. Or maybe I'm just crazy... Could be the latter. lolYou are just crazy pal. Darkstalkers did not have a protagonist and they intented to give this role to Demitri, but when they saw that Morrigan was more popular she became the leading girl.
Post by: O Ilusionista on April 14, 2013, 06:23:18 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 14, 2013, 06:27:41 PM
I think demitri is a way better, in every aspects. We All know that the main quality of Morrigan are boobies. This is the main reason Capcom picks her, everybody knows this.^^(PM)^ Same for Felicia. (no disrespect to both Morrigan and Felicia fans)
Post by: O Ilusionista on April 14, 2013, 09:24:46 PM
^^(PM)^ Same for Felicia. (no disrespect to both Morrigan and Felicia fans)
Exactly :)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 14, 2013, 09:27:51 PM
Post by: Magma MK-II on April 15, 2013, 11:15:36 AM
I think demitri is a way better, in every aspects. We All know that the main quality of Morrigan are boobies. This is the main reason Capcom picks her, everybody knows this.
^^(PM)^ Same for Felicia. (no disrespect to both Morrigan and Felicia fans)
Felicia is the worst character to come from DS, the only reason she is popular is because of the above point.
(yes, I hate Felicia and I want her to burn in the hellfire)
In the same topic guy asks where it was confirmed and gets no response. I'm gonna take it as it was just added there. Not saying it isn't true, just that there's no proof that it is.
FOund this in the topic:
BTW, Vampire Savior's story goes: Jedah kills Demitri, Dee kills Jedah, and Anita kills Dee.
Anita is by far the strongest character in Darkstalkers' canon.
based on Japanese sources, like the All About Capcom books. Saiki's Darkstalkers Story FAQ translates most of the pertinent stuff.
The Dee stuff is basically shown in full in DS Collection.
yup.
This is all bulls***. Morrigan didn't even fought Jedah is the first place, her final boss is Lilith. It is also up to debate which endings are canon, since some of them contradict each other. The only characters that could have defeated Jedah (because their endings depict Jedah defeated or something) are Q-Bee, Lord Raptor and Huitzil, Huitzil being the most likely of them.
According to Villains wiki...
Seriously that I overlooked this? I must rectify this, whoever wrote this was drunk.
(I'm an admin on Villains Wiki, just so you know)
Post by: C.R.O.M. - Shadaloo Lives! on April 15, 2013, 03:32:45 PM
^^(PM)^ Same for Felicia. (no disrespect to both Morrigan and Felicia fans)
Felicia is the worst character to come from DS, the only reason she is popular is because of the above point.I like to use Felicia, but I agree that's probably the only reason she's the second most well known Darkstalker. Here's hoping she has clothes in one of her alts if there is going to be a new DS game. lol
(yes, I hate Felicia and I want her to burn in the hellfire)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 15, 2013, 05:30:54 PM
EDIT: Locking this because things will more than likely get worse from here
Post by: Sabaki on April 16, 2013, 09:42:42 AM
Well, here's a few questions for all.
1) how many members here bought DS resurrection?
2) Capcom has recently moved away from traditional handdrawn sprites for 3D models. Which style do you prefer?
3) if DS4 were to be a reality and Capcom-Unity were interested in people's feedback in terms of new mechanics and/or features, and well as updating the gameplay, what would you suggest?
Post by: G.P.O.A - GatlingPunchRalf on April 16, 2013, 10:43:03 AM
1) how many members here bought DS resurrection?1) Played it at a friend's house and actually decided not to buy it. It just wasn't a stand out game. PROBABLY WHY IT DIDN'T ROCK SALES, CAPCOM.
2) Capcom has recently moved away from traditional handdrawn sprites for 3D models. Which style do you prefer?
3) if DS4 were to be a reality and Capcom-Unity were interested in people's feedback in terms of new mechanics and/or features, and well as updating the gameplay, what would you suggest?
2) Honestly, I kinda resent it. Just because you have access to things like that doesn't mean you step off from something you're good with. Capcom and sprites were synonymous at one point when it came to fighting games, but now that they're putting so much work into the models, they're ruining games by forgetting to put in work elsewhere.
3) I honestly can't decide what I'd suggest. Maybe running thorough bug and glitch checks before releasing the game. I don't care how long it would take to come out, just as long as it was clean to play.
Post by: O Ilusionista on April 16, 2013, 11:00:32 AM
2) While I am still a 2D fan myself, we can't deny that 3D is the future and they won't do a new 2D version
3) hum, that is a good question. I like DS gameplay as is. Maybe borring some air rave from MVC, dunno. But please: no bouncing beach balls.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 16, 2013, 11:40:14 AM
1.) Not yet
2.) I have a personal preference to 2D but I do enjoy 3D if it's done right
3.) Not quite sure. Maybe new characters?
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on April 16, 2013, 11:59:17 AM
Old School is right here! :w00t:
1. Lando never bought it
2. As much as a 2d fan i am with fighting games i cannot deny my ever growing love for 3D . I think to see this game done with 3D style would bring some new fresh air to the series in graphical prowess.
3. I would only vouch the inclusions of some new characters and a new plot to follow suit with new characters and old ones being involved. Quite possible as well a new boss. There are plenty of new type characters from a vast catalog of mythical, magical, and lore characters/creatures to implement into the new game. The game mechanics have always been pretty cool so i wouldnt go all out adding anything too extra ( Ok maybe some better chain combos both air and ground sorta MVC but like O said.,.no bouncing beach bum balls lol ) but just maybe tighting up the way it always have been done.
Post by: C.R.O.M. - Shadaloo Lives! on April 16, 2013, 12:34:36 PM
1) how many members here bought DS resurrection?
2) Capcom has recently moved away from traditional handdrawn sprites for 3D models. Which style do you prefer?
3) if DS4 were to be a reality and Capcom-Unity were interested in people's feedback in terms of new mechanics and/or features, and well as updating the gameplay, what would you suggest?
1. I didn't buy it, but I bought everything else they put up to "test the waters." I was was going to buy it until I read this topic though.
2. Depends on how well they're done.
3. Of course new characters, but other than that I'm not sure.
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 16, 2013, 01:53:52 PM
1) how many members here bought DS resurrection?1) I don't have money to do so, and I think that none would buy the game if they, like me, probably played in an emulator.
2) Capcom has recently moved away from traditional handdrawn sprites for 3D models. Which style do you prefer?
3) if DS4 were to be a reality and Capcom-Unity were interested in people's feedback in terms of new mechanics and/or features, and well as updating the gameplay, what would you suggest?
2) 3D would look amazing like it was with Street Fighter.
3) The gameplay could stay the same, but with some cooldown in the EX moves (not the ES, the EX). Also, it could use some rival cutscenes, a darker atmosphere, new characters (maybe make Marionette, Shadow and Anita playable) and a story mode.
Post by: O Ilusionista on April 16, 2013, 02:01:47 PM
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2) 3D would look amazing like it was with Street Fighter.
Now we agree. I like 3D graphics with 2D gameplay. Totally 3D gameplay on some games just doesn't works.
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 16, 2013, 02:04:05 PM
Now we agree. I like 3D graphics with 2D gameplay. Totally 3D gameplay on some games just doesn't works.Exactly, like Street Fighter EX for example.
Post by: deadmangunner on April 16, 2013, 02:05:14 PM
1.I have not bought it but, I might in the future.
2.I do like 2D spite work over 3D but, I am ok with either as long as 3D is done right.
3.I do not know what they could do to improve the games since I have not played the games
but, like one person said a jump to 3D or 2.5D whatever you want to call it would help the game series out I think.
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on April 16, 2013, 02:13:02 PM
Now we agree. I like 3D graphics with 2D gameplay. Totally 3D gameplay on some games just doesn't works.
yeah i agree too. 2.5D would be the exact phase i think they use for it. that would fit this series even more if done.
Post by: O Ilusionista on April 16, 2013, 02:49:40 PM
Think about Pandas...
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 16, 2013, 02:56:51 PM
Everytime someone says "2.5D", a Panda baby dies.Then what would YOU call it?
Think about Pandas...
Post by: Trinitronity on April 16, 2013, 03:07:10 PM
3) The gameplay could stay the same, but with some cooldown in the EX moves (not the ES, the EX). Also, it could use some rival cutscenes, a darker atmosphere, new characters (maybe make Marionette, Shadow and Anita playable) and a story mode.I agree with everything except maybe a darker atmosphere.
DarkStalkers shouldn't be too dark, since it has funny moments, too.
And from the charactres you mentioned, Marionette and Shadow need that the most.
And as completely new characters, I suggest:
-a tanooki
-a tengu
-a drunk (!) oni
Post by: O Ilusionista on April 16, 2013, 03:10:49 PM
On this case, its a 3D game with a 2D gameplay. Easy like pie. Games like Fatal Fury aren't 2.5D, they fake a Z plane. 3D gameplay isn't the same of 3D. Beat em up games, for example, are 2D games with 3D gameplay, because you have 3 planes.
Post by: Magma MK-II on April 16, 2013, 06:20:57 PM
Now we agree. I like 3D graphics with 2D gameplay. Totally 3D gameplay on some games just doesn't works.
Samurai Shodown is the best example of this. Just look at the atrocity that is Edge of Destiny.
Everytime someone says "2.5D", a Panda baby dies.
Think about Pandas...
They are pretty much extinct by now, so it wouldn't make a difference.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on April 16, 2013, 07:34:32 PM
Exactly, like Street Fighter EX for example.
I don't understand this concept of Street Fighter EX being a bad game. It was a 3D fighter in a 2D field, the only major diference aside from the hurricane kick being replaced was the fact that some characters dogdes were strafes, which work exactly the same way as rolling through a character in 2D. If you dropped the EX characters into the SF4 engine, they'd play the exact same way.
Post by: O Ilusionista on April 16, 2013, 08:03:23 PM
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They are pretty much extinct by now, so it wouldn't make a difference.you don't have Jesus in your heart, lol
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I don't understand this concept of Street Fighter EX being a bad game. It was a 3D fighter in a 2D field,not really, sir. That was a 3D game with 3D gameplay, because you was able to move on all 3 planes.
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 16, 2013, 08:11:18 PM
They are pretty much extinct by now, so it wouldn't make a difference.:|
I don't understand this concept of Street Fighter EX being a bad game. It was a 3D fighter in a 2D field, the only major diference aside from the hurricane kick being replaced was the fact that some characters dogdes were strafes, which work exactly the same way as rolling through a character in 2D. If you dropped the EX characters into the SF4 engine, they'd play the exact same way.In a 2D field? No, it was 3D, after all you could move in all directions unlike SF4. This doesn't fit Street Fighter, because of its special attacks, I mean, if were Tekken or Soul Calibur, they use mostly close ranged attacks (depending on each weapon), but Street Fighter has a lot of projectiles, uppercuts and other attacks that fit a 2D gameplay better. I really wanted someone from the SFEX to appear in SF4, too bad Capcom killed them too.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on April 16, 2013, 08:31:25 PM
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In a 2D field? No, it was 3D, after all you could move in all directions unlike SF4...
This is incorrect. One cannot simply move in and out of the fighting rail. The only 3D movement was if a character had a dodging ability, which like I explained earlier would doesn't change the gameplay anymore that a rolling or a 2D side-step would. For instance, "Evils" slide across a 3d plain backwards and forwards instead of having an after-effect shadow. Either case, a projectile wouldn't hit them.
Post by: -Whiplash- on April 16, 2013, 11:13:45 PM
2. I would love to see it in 2d. But's gonna be 3d.
3. It's fine the was it is.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 17, 2013, 12:29:09 PM
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on April 17, 2013, 01:16:25 PM
there is more than enough skillful people in mugen community to bring this bad boy to light! ::salute::
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 17, 2013, 01:18:13 PM
In fact I'm surprised no one's made a DS mugen game yet
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on April 17, 2013, 01:23:01 PM
Post by: O Ilusionista on April 17, 2013, 01:29:11 PM
True enough.
In fact I'm surprised no one's made a DS mugen game yet
There are some compilations for sure. maybe its because DS have a high number of frames on the characters.
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on April 17, 2013, 01:33:49 PM
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 17, 2013, 01:36:16 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 17, 2013, 01:39:10 PM
maybe its because DS have a high number of frames on the characters.Yeah those tend to be a pain to do.
Post by: ExeLord on April 17, 2013, 02:58:41 PM
P.S. yes, I know Melty Blood is TypeMoon's game, it just reminded me of that outsourcing intentions -_-'
Post by: Trinitronity on April 20, 2013, 02:13:28 AM
You know, looking at Macaulyn's fight of Hsien-Ko vs White Len I thought that Capcom needed to not think about outsourcing DS4, but sell DS franchise to Arc System Works for everyone's good.I don't think this is a good idea...
Post by: O Ilusionista on April 20, 2013, 07:45:45 AM
Post by: Macaulyn97 on April 20, 2013, 12:25:30 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on April 20, 2013, 01:52:56 PM
Capcom done a very good work in Super Street Fighter 4THAT is debatable