Post by: T.O.P.S on July 03, 2012, 11:30:53 PM
venom vs carnage (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xry3ka)
download at MMV
Post by: Shadow Dio on July 03, 2012, 11:36:14 PM
Umm..... Where's the DL link? Also, whats MMV?
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on July 03, 2012, 11:39:09 PM
This looks awesome!
Umm..... Where's the DL link? Also, whats MMV?
Mugen Multiverse
2 birds, 1 stone.
Post by: Macaulyn97 on July 03, 2012, 11:39:57 PM
Mugen Multiverse
2 birds, 1 stone.
here is the link
http://mugenmultiverse.fanbb.net/t312-venom (http://mugenmultiverse.fanbb.net/t312-venom)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on July 03, 2012, 11:42:46 PM
Post by: Space (DCL) on July 04, 2012, 12:43:57 AM
No venom web? no death bite? :'(
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on July 04, 2012, 12:50:00 AM
Just tested him and...well...He DID mention he's basing him more on the comics than the MvC games
No venom web? no death bite? :'(
Post by: Space (DCL) on July 04, 2012, 12:52:36 AM
Post by: T.O.P.S on July 04, 2012, 01:33:07 AM
Just tested him and...well...
No venom web? no death bite? :'(
sorry it's not your liking but the way I see it capcom kind of messed up with these aspects of venom as he never did such things in the comics or the cartoons. I tried to make him as close to the comicbook version as possible and more uniqe then capcoms version. ofcorse if you want a "venom web" you can always play the capcomed styled one already made for mugen :P
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on July 04, 2012, 01:49:10 AM
Also forgot to point this out but I love the win pose where it fades to black except his eyes and spider symbol
Post by: ~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~ on July 04, 2012, 01:58:10 AM
sorry it's not your liking but the way I see it capcom kind of messed up with these aspects of venom as he never did such things in the comics or the cartoons. I tried to make him as close to the comicbook version as possible and more uniqe then capcoms version. ofcorse if you want a "venom web" you can always play the capcomed styled one already made for mugen :P
TOPS you got so much talent with these Symbiotes man! I like how you also focused your area in the coding as well! Dude he plays good! There are somethings I would change and tune but for the most part I like where he is going.
I would have liked to see him with the old hypers and specials along with the new but even without them I think you did a good job dude just like you did with the other symbiotes.
I would change that hyper background though and use kong's or something, and use another kind of hyper portrait. But that's me. but other than that....Dude I overall like this.......
I think your on to something with these symbiotes and I say keep'em comin' I'm not requesting but I hope that your next one is LAsher because he is my favorite of them all
Post by: shootYr. on July 04, 2012, 02:02:12 AM
-No clsns on 'The Madness'?
-Last two hits of Varnage don't combo.
-Anim 41 is botched. It looks very jittery.
-I get a strong feeling that you used auto clsn for allot of these attacks. Please make the clsns yourself. It may seem tedious and boring, but if you do them properly, they can be very rewarding.
(click to show/hide)
Post by: YoungSamurai5 on July 04, 2012, 02:17:31 AM
Post by: dev. on July 04, 2012, 05:30:33 AM
Congratulations TOPS,angelus ect
Post by: Femrril on July 04, 2012, 06:06:06 AM
You can see that venom use the venom web hyper at the end of the video in Spiderman TAS.
This venom looks good.
Post by: sexyhotlowrider on July 04, 2012, 12:13:51 PM
Post by: .ALEXZIQ. on July 04, 2012, 07:34:52 PM
1st thing is I think this BG has more issues than Scream. This one is all out of synch, plus the washed out color.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/vbg.png)
Couple of the attacks 1 special, and 1 hyper miss at close range.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/vcm2.png)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/vcrm.png)
The hitboxes are still problematic in several senses. I know thats been a point of contention between us, and I noticed you posted a tutorial on hitboxes, but by in large I think the community disagrees with that tutorial
Heres a few examples
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/box1.png)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/box2.png)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/hb77.png)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/box3.png)
Also you have some issues with priorities in the following animations
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/hb88.png)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/hb3.png)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/hb99.png)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/hb5.png)
This problem is kinda frowned on as described here
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/priortiy.png)
Then hyper 4 is missing hit boxes.
When it trasforms into the big venom you can hit him. However after he transforms he becomes unhittable, which isnt normally how it should work. Even the venom spit is unhitable. What I would do is add a hitoveride to change back in event of getting hit, or you could make the whole move into a custom state.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/hyper4.png)
Also Z+C seems an odd command when you have an open hyper combination still left you can use.
I noticed some varied shading in him too where it looks more detailed in some sprites. I had similar things in Batman Beyond so I can understand how that is though.
I think youre using hitboxes to pull off certain moves to work the way you want, but it breaks the gameplay in other ways doing this. There are better ways to solve the issues youre running into that will work by far better.
I hope you dont take offense, just trying to explain why hitbox issues can cause problems since it was an area we disagree on.
I just hope visually maybe it can be explained since your version of carnage, scream, and now Venom all have this problem.
This has some fantastic potetential it just needs a lil more time, and some work in a couple areas
Post by: SanjiSasuke on July 04, 2012, 09:13:43 PM
I like the idea of having a Venom with original gameplay. I always like when already made Marvel chars get redone with a new style.
Post by: sexyhotlowrider on July 05, 2012, 04:58:05 PM
Post by: I-Skorp-I on July 05, 2012, 06:46:07 PM
O yea btw >:-(-| Alex clayface needs to be released for mugen A.S.A.P. my tournament needs him 8)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on July 05, 2012, 06:49:16 PM
Post by: shootYr. on July 05, 2012, 07:40:35 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on July 05, 2012, 10:04:08 PM
Post by: T.O.P.S on July 05, 2012, 10:23:47 PM
TOPS you got so much talent with these Symbiotes man! I like how you also focused your area in the coding as well! Dude he plays good! There are somethings I would change and tune but for the most part I like where he is going.
I would have liked to see him with the old hypers and specials along with the new but even without them I think you did a good job dude just like you did with the other symbiotes.
I would change that hyper background though and use kong's or something, and use another kind of hyper portrait. But that's me. but other than that....Dude I overall like this.......
I think your on to something with these symbiotes and I say keep'em comin' I'm not requesting but I hope that your next one is LAsher because he is my favorite of them all
Thanks alot
Post by: T.O.P.S on July 05, 2012, 10:24:24 PM
I think this is the coolest venom ever released.Much better than Capcom's.
Congratulations TOPS,angelus ect
Thank you
Post by: T.O.P.S on July 05, 2012, 10:28:18 PM
If you check this :
You can see that venom use the venom web hyper at the end of the video in Spiderman TAS.
This venom looks good.
Venom does make a giant web in this that is true, but you don't really see how he does it, my guess would be just like all the other webs he makes in the comics and cartoon they will come out of his webshooter like white patches on the back of his hands and not from all areas of his body like capcom showed. also the attacks venom did after the web were really just all his basics strong together. kind of lazy on capcoms part if you ask me.
Post by: T.O.P.S on July 05, 2012, 10:30:27 PM
DAMN! this Venom is so right, you are like the best sprite maker this year
Thanks I put alot effort into my sprites, I guess you could say I have had alot of practice over the years haha.
Post by: shootYr. on July 05, 2012, 10:31:24 PM
Post by: T.O.P.S on July 05, 2012, 10:39:20 PM
Post by: shootYr. on July 05, 2012, 10:52:52 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/geAoS.png)
Post by: .ALEXZIQ. on July 05, 2012, 11:32:57 PM
That way it wouldnt be an unhitable infinite priority, and would work like you want it to. obviously you could change the speed an velocity so it's not as fast but couls work similar.
Post by: T.O.P.S on July 06, 2012, 02:36:19 PM
Post by: shootYr. on July 06, 2012, 02:56:43 PM
I just showed you that he can't get hit out of the move anyway.
Post by: .ALEXZIQ. on July 06, 2012, 03:50:13 PM
that's fine for sabortooth he's not in a second bigger form. but with venom if he has blue collsion boxs and gets hit, he will go back to normal imedietly with no transition and that just looks slopy.
That has nothing to do with it.
Doesnt matter if this was rocket raccoon.
Sabretooths beatem up doesnt get hit. Thats what I am saying.
It's done like a custom state
You put p2 in a state that immitates being hit sorta like a throw which you have several states like this already.
That way p2 cant block, cant hit back ect.
Doin it the way you have it now just leaves p2 only with the option to get hit or block through the move.
a human player is going to block most the time so not only is it an infinite, it's not really effective as is.
Just saying theres a better way that not only is better coded, but also achieves the effect you want with better results.
Post by: Snakebyte on July 06, 2012, 04:29:45 PM
TOPS you got so much talent with these Symbiotes man! I like how you also focused your area in the coding as well! Dude he plays good! There are somethings I would change and tune but for the most part I like where he is going.
I would have liked to see him with the old hypers and specials along with the new but even without them I think you did a good job dude just like you did with the other symbiotes.
I would change that hyper background though and use kong's or something, and use another kind of hyper portrait. But that's me. but other than that....Dude I overall like this.......
I think your on to something with these symbiotes and I say keep'em comin' I'm not requesting but I hope that your next one is LAsher because he is my favorite of them all
I'm working on Lasher, actually. Sadly, he's gonna be a while, because I am slow and learning. :)
Post by: T.O.P.S on July 06, 2012, 07:50:17 PM
Dude,
I just showed you that he can't get hit out of the move anyway.
unless it's in the begining of his transfermation he can't be hit it's just not possible there are no blue collision boxes in the maddness attack animations.
Post by: Space (DCL) on July 06, 2012, 07:52:58 PM
unless it's in the begining of his transfermation he can't be hit it's just not possible there are no blue collision boxes in the maddness attack animations.
So he's invincible during that part of the animation right? Yet with no Blue CLSN boxes, a player can go right through Venom and end up behind him...
If you ask me, all you need to do is add the htiboxes and just use a NotHitBy ctrl so he wont get hit during that part of the animation...
Post by: T.O.P.S on July 06, 2012, 07:59:18 PM
That has nothing to do with it.
Doesnt matter if this was rocket raccoon.
Sabretooths beatem up doesnt get hit. Thats what I am saying.
It's done like a custom state
You put p2 in a state that immitates being hit sorta like a throw which you have several states like this already.
That way p2 cant block, cant hit back ect.
Doin it the way you have it now just leaves p2 only with the option to get hit or block through the move.
a human player is going to block most the time so not only is it an infinite, it's not really effective as is.
Just saying theres a better way that not only is better coded, but also achieves the effect you want with better results.
ok well I didn't know you were talking about a custom statedef next time be more specific, I know how to code these and have done it in the past but by doing so it makes it impossible for p2 to attack back because he's in another state. so the question then becomes why go through the extra effort of doing that when it's still a move move that p2 can not defend against, one way p1 is invicible and p2 can not harm him and another p2 can not harm him because he's in a custom state end result is the same it's still a move nothing can be done against. however if he fails to conect with it in your way you describe and has blue collsion boxes and say gets hit with a fireball problem all over again and he will go back to his normal form with no transition.
Post by: T.O.P.S on July 06, 2012, 08:00:52 PM
So he's invincible during that part of the animation right? Yet with no Blue CLSN boxes, a player can go right through Venom and end up behind him...
If you ask me, all you need to do is add the htiboxes and just use a NotHitBy ctrl so he wont get hit during that part of the animation...
I agree with you there probably would have been a better way to do it.
Post by: shootYr. on July 07, 2012, 12:05:59 AM
unless it's in the begining of his transfermation he can't be hit it's just not possible there are no blue collision boxes in the maddness attack animations.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZTESo.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/geAoS.png)
Please, listen to me. Your move isn't flagged properly. I can still force him to leave the transformed state. He also needs blue clsns on that move.
Post by: T.O.P.S on July 07, 2012, 01:18:41 AM
Post by: shootYr. on July 07, 2012, 01:33:51 AM
I posted, and re-posted, images of Venom being taken out of the LVL4 AFTER transformation... So really, is having no clsns on the move preventing him from being forced back to his normal sprites? (The answer is no)
About 4 people have tried conveying this to you as an issue, but you keep responding the same way. Why don't you stop being close minded, consider the fact that you may have done something wrong, and LISTEN to feedback that's meant to help you?
Post by: .ALEXZIQ. on July 07, 2012, 10:29:34 AM
ok well I didn't know you were talking about a custom statedef next time be more specific, I know how to code these and have done it in the past but by doing so it makes it impossible for p2 to attack back because he's in another state. so the question then becomes why go through the extra effort of doing that when it's still a move move that p2 can not defend against, one way p1 is invicible and p2 can not harm him and another p2 can not harm him because he's in a custom state end result is the same it's still a move nothing can be done against. however if he fails to conect with it in your way you describe and has blue collsion boxes and say gets hit with a fireball problem all over again and he will go back to his normal form with no transition.
But you can hit him as he transforms any so whats the difference between that, and cancelling the move if he misses the initial hit?
Are you wanting him to pull off the hyper no matter what?
I cant argue it if thats how you want the game to play, but I think doing it the way you have it opens up a multitude of other problems.
In practice mode, or against a character with poor AI it seems like a flawless move, but with the strong batteling characters in your game I think youll find that they will either go through him or block the whole time.
I just think if p2 is in a custom state it would play better, but in the end it's your call
Post by: shootYr. on July 09, 2012, 03:15:46 AM
Edit : Seems like someone was in so much of a rush to deter me from "mucking" up the topic, that they forgot to move the split discussion to an appropriate area! Why is this person admin? :-"
(http://i.imgur.com/gvbOn.png)
Post by: jethroyo on July 09, 2012, 03:23:04 PM
-The error I found was when I use Web-Throw on the opponent and mash punch button to add more hits/ground slam, CPU takes control over the character right after.
Post by: T.O.P.S on July 18, 2012, 07:09:28 PM
Venom is fun.
-The error I found was when I use Web-Throw on the opponent and mash punch button to add more hits/ground slam, CPU takes control over the character right after.
glad you like him, I'll look into the glich.
Post by: YoungSamurai5 on August 25, 2012, 11:38:55 PM
also what alex was saying about adding a hitoveride on that transformation, where would i put the hit overide? sorry im still learning some code as i go.
Post by: Snakebyte on August 26, 2012, 06:54:11 AM
Replace the following states in hypers.st with the following code. They make the superpause work properly.
Quote
[State 3000, 2]
type = SuperPause
trigger1 = animelem = 1
time = 135
movetime = 135
anim = -1
sound = S8889,0
pos = 10,-70
Quote
[State 0, Explod]
type = Explod
trigger1 = time = 1
anim = 3200
pos = 100,-240
postype = p1 ;p2,front,back,left,right
facing = 1
vfacing = 1
vel = 0,6
accel = 0,0
random = 0,0
removetime = 45
supermovetime = 45
pausemovetime = 0
scale = 1,1
ontop = 1
sprpriority = 5
shadow = 0,0,0
ownpal = 0
removeongethit = 0
[State 0, Explod]
type = Explod
trigger1 = time = 46
anim = 3201
pos = 100,0
postype = p1 ;p2,front,back,left,right
facing = 1
vfacing = 1
vel = 0,0
accel = 0,0
random = 0,0
removetime = 22
supermovetime = 22
pausemovetime = 0
scale = 1,1
ontop = 1
sprpriority = 5
shadow = 0,0,0
ownpal = 0
removeongethit = 0
Quote
[State 3000, 2]
type = SuperPause
trigger1 = AnimElem = 1
time = 128
movetime = 128
anim = -1
sound = S8889,0
pos = 10,-70
EDIT: Seriously just stop being lazy and go through the threads here and on MMV and on Guild. Lots of people have already stated things there. Cybaster and Alex went into great detail. My specific feedback is below.
QCF+X, QCF+Z, QCB+X, QCB+K, and QCB+PP miss if you are too close to the opponent.
Symbiote Coffin takes too long to execute, and glitches if the move is interrupted, locking out the opponent's controls until Venom hits them again. I don't know what is going on here from a coding standpoint at all.
(I'm still alive, but taking off for a couple of days. I'll talk to you re: MMV later in the week)
Post by: 31LeoJac on September 05, 2012, 11:08:12 AM
Post by: YoungSamurai5 on September 05, 2012, 11:10:34 AM
Post by: Acey on September 05, 2012, 11:25:52 AM
Seriously just stop being lazy and go through the threads here and on MMV and on Guild. Lots of people have already stated things there. Cybaster and Alex went into great detail.
I think the "lazy" comment was not particularly necessary, on the other hand, every creater should use ever resource available, especially feedback.
Post by: YoungSamurai5 on September 05, 2012, 11:32:01 AM
I think the "lazy" comment was not particularly necessary, on the other hand, every creater should use ever resource available, especially feedback.
lol me and snake talked about it already. its all good. im actually taking his advice and going through thre threads. i was being a little lazy haha. thats just the way snake talks. he is originally from the guild :D ( nothing against guild)
Post by: Snakebyte on September 05, 2012, 11:36:29 AM
But yeah, Young and I get along, no worries. :)
Post by: YoungSamurai5 on September 05, 2012, 11:39:28 AM
LOL you posted as I was responding.
But yeah, Young and I get along, no worries. :)
yea lol no prob :) and expect an update maybe next week im still working on other stuff right now
Post by: sunblaze82 on September 05, 2012, 12:40:18 PM
Post by: YoungSamurai5 on September 05, 2012, 01:13:03 PM
Young, random question, do YOU yourself see that the "Varnage" Attack as a good super? Did he even do something like that in the comics? I dont recall.
i see it as an ok hyper. i give it kudos for originality. me im not really a fan of helper hypers of characters that are already made. to be honest i have not seen many comics (but i do read them) but i dont ever recall a "varnage" the closet thing ive ever seen was someone who made this on deviantart
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1YIThCkKJoRNTOlQctpdyDXijAp959DfaRF9rz-I-ke5-zsh2cg)
Post by: SanjiSasuke on September 06, 2012, 06:43:34 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on September 06, 2012, 06:56:11 PM
Okay, no disrespect, but why is this stickied? The only other things stickied here are the official Screenpacks...I was wondering that myself
Post by: Snakebyte on October 15, 2012, 12:18:14 PM
Hey guys, here's the Symbiote Team's update of TOPS' Venom. Lots of bugs were fixed and a few new pals added. If there's anything still wrong with it, let me know, we want to make sure everything's fixed for the eventual full game release.
EDIT: Link updated.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on October 15, 2012, 12:23:41 PM
Post by: O Ilusionista on October 15, 2012, 01:15:17 PM
Quote
Also you have some issues with priorities in the following animations
This problem is kinda frowned on as described here
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/priortiy.png)
Let me open a parenthesis here.
The argument of Priority Infinite is not accepted by everyone and in many cases, he or fell down or is deemed inappropriate. There is a consensus among all creators.
I'll explain why, using two sample images:
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/hb88.png)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/alexziq/hb77.png)
In both cases, I do not think that is correct the P2 set the character to attack the parts that are being used to attack him. In the example where tentacles come out of the chest, is correct to have "infinite priority."
Take the example of Igniz: If using the whip and you hit the whip, who do you think would be hurt? The whip or the arm of the person who hit him? In many cases where a weapon is used, you should not put the blue box collision over the entire image. A sword, for example, should only have the blue box on its cable, not on its blade.
I, and other creators, we use the principle of motion of the blow, and not exactly cover the entire image. You should think about the movement as a whole, not just as a still frame.
Post by: Snakebyte on October 15, 2012, 01:26:31 PM
Please don't let the Venom update get buried in bickering about priorities again. If there are any problem with the update (bottom of page 4) please let us know what they are, problems in original version are probably fixed.
Post by: O Ilusionista on October 15, 2012, 01:38:30 PM
Since I am an older creator, it should be read, at least. But, anyway...
By the way here is the update post:
http://www.mediafire.com/?6gbd55sgbli8riq (http://www.mediafire.com/?6gbd55sgbli8riq)
Hey guys, here's the Symbiote Team's update of TOPS' Venom. Lots of bugs were fixed and a few new pals added. If there's anything still wrong with it, let me know, we want to make sure everything's fixed for the eventual full game release.
Post by: Snakebyte on October 15, 2012, 01:41:30 PM
Post by: MrAdam on October 15, 2012, 08:03:52 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on October 15, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Makes it all the more satisfying to beat
Post by: YoungSamurai5 on October 15, 2012, 10:47:50 PM
but yea please check out the update : :-"
Post by: lp on October 15, 2012, 11:00:35 PM
Post by: Snakebyte on October 16, 2012, 10:16:35 AM
:-??
Let's not do the same thing with arguing about arguing about priority, either, or I'll have to start making Inception jokes...
On that note, Young, there's more feedback about priority over at Guild.
EDIT: Link updated because I did a dumb thing.
http://www.mediafire.com/?wry78s01fmad3rh (http://www.mediafire.com/?wry78s01fmad3rh)
Post by: Kazander13 on October 18, 2012, 01:32:07 AM
Otherwise this a is a great interpretation of Venom and I'm just disappointed I didn't grab this one sooner. Great work!
Post by: SolidZone 26 on October 18, 2012, 01:58:36 AM
Other than that, this Venom is great. Keep up the good work. :)
Post by: Snakebyte on October 18, 2012, 10:48:59 AM
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Thought I might address this, but the web ball is an infinite. If you keep doing it, the enemy won't be able to move and can do it until his/her health is zero.
Gotcha! Thanks. We're gonna wait for a bit more feedback before doing an update so that there aren't 376 versions floating around, but that'll definitely be fixed fairly soon. ::salute::
Post by: Kazander13 on October 18, 2012, 04:55:47 PM
Post by: MatreroG on October 20, 2012, 10:22:40 PM
Post by: jethroyo on October 26, 2012, 01:43:11 AM
Post by: .ALEXZIQ. on November 20, 2012, 01:33:53 PM
Post by: Snakebyte on November 20, 2012, 04:16:29 PM
Post by: T.O.P.S on November 29, 2012, 05:37:25 PM
Well ill be reworking venom and scream as my next edit for the symbiote guys. I will make sure and adress all these issues posted CC in the next few months :Terry
WTF alex I nor angelus gave you permission to work on venom so you have no right! don't touch him with your crappy code!
Post by: Acey on November 29, 2012, 05:43:30 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on November 29, 2012, 05:59:13 PM
Post by: Arkady on November 29, 2012, 06:23:34 PM
that might not be the case, or maybe it is, but i'm just stating the obvious here o.O#
Post by: .ALEXZIQ. on November 30, 2012, 11:41:11 AM
:DxDie
LOL
I know what you did with the spam at CC TOPS.
Since when have you EVER asked permission for anything?
Can I see the PM where Seth Z gave permission for his carnage.
Karma buddy
Post by: Acey on November 30, 2012, 12:47:46 PM
Post by: .ALEXZIQ. on November 30, 2012, 12:51:35 PM
@ Zig, Let's not exacerbate the situation, Tops was already muted for his disrespectful comment, there is no need to continue calling anyone out. You guys can figure this out unmoderated through PM.
I respect that, and ive removed most my comments.
Post by: Gabbard on November 30, 2012, 02:32:53 PM
Well ill be reworking venom and scream as my next edit for the symbiote guys. I will make sure and adress all these issues posted CC in the next few months :Terry
We will wait for your contribute and your edits! :w00t:
Post by: Snakebyte on December 05, 2012, 11:41:29 PM
It's just musical chairs with this isn't it. XD
Here's a preview of his new stance. For more updates, check out his thread at Guild. (this is a link) (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/variety-chars-stages-smoothed-out-growing-list-141455.0.html)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img803/7397/venstancermh.png)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 05, 2012, 11:50:51 PM
Post by: Snakebyte on December 05, 2012, 11:53:59 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 06, 2012, 12:06:47 AM
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on December 06, 2012, 01:17:44 AM
Post by: boryema on December 06, 2012, 01:30:33 AM
What's up with page 6, why is my system reporting malware?same here
Post by: Snakebyte on December 06, 2012, 02:52:22 AM
Post by: edneynirvana on December 21, 2012, 12:42:12 PM
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Post by: Kingironfist on January 17, 2013, 12:02:57 AM
Post by: ~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~ on January 17, 2013, 05:06:02 PM
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on January 17, 2013, 05:40:20 PM
Yeah I like how I have a different Venom to choose from now :thumbsup:off topic: >:-(-|
R@ce that sig! :DxDie