Post by: laspacho on September 24, 2011, 12:09:26 PM
As always a special thanks to Bajm627 and Kong for their wonderful work.
(http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Uploads/HDMugen/SabreTooth.png)
Download Here! (http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Uploads/HDMugen/SabreTooth_HD.rar)
Post by: SanjiSasuke on September 24, 2011, 01:54:32 PM
Post by: C.R.O.M. jodafro619 on September 24, 2011, 05:57:39 PM
Post by: Megabyte on September 26, 2011, 05:38:21 AM
EDIT: Is it possible for someone to tell me how to fix this issue myself?
Post by: SanjiSasuke on September 26, 2011, 04:15:11 PM
Post by: laspacho on September 26, 2011, 05:19:11 PM
Post by: nickfurry on September 26, 2011, 09:59:29 PM
Post by: SanjiSasuke on September 26, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on September 26, 2011, 10:15:44 PM
People's first main problem with KONG is that he names his character MvC2 when they're not accurate to their MvC2 counterparts.
Second, His coding while effective done generate debug floods at time and while it doesn't effect gameplay, serious coders take offense to that.
Third, KONG's care cup is empty. People get upset that he doesn't fix his characters.
Post by: C.R.O.M. jodafro619 on September 26, 2011, 11:36:13 PM
i just enjoy and appreciate the hard work people throw in their creations and leave it at that....
getting back on topic with mr. creed hd 8) i wish i knew how to make a voicepack i would definitely sample some of the bits from the fox 5 cartoon and add it to sabretooth as well as the cajun!!
Post by: Acey on September 27, 2011, 11:14:03 AM
INB4 Kong sucks = IMT sucks
People's first main problem with KONG is that he names his character MvC2 when they're not accurate to their MvC2 counterparts.
Second, His coding while effective done generate debug floods at time and while it doesn't effect gameplay, serious coders take offense to that.
Third, KONG's care cup is empty. People get upset that he doesn't fix his characters.
^^(PM)^
Post by: Megabyte on September 28, 2011, 03:50:41 AM
i peeped a lot of this whinning and and rants on a lot of these forums and it makes me sick the way they give their "advice" or quote unquote, " constructive criticism" on people's works. for the butt hurt accuracy nerds that flood the mugen community while being a di%k for di45head's sake, thae source games are still available, MOVE on!!!
i just enjoy and appreciate the hard work people throw in their creations and leave it at that....
getting back on topic with mr. creed hd 8) i wish i knew how to make a voicepack i would definitely sample some of the bits from the fox 5 cartoon and add it to sabretooth as well as the cajun!!
Well, no my problem with them isn't the AI at all...it's the fact that (and again I say this may just be that I don't know enough about coding to change it myself) but it's the fact that they take off SOOOOO much damage by default even with me setting the life to 300...I've tried reducing both defense and attack in the cns but that doesn't work (probably obvious) so I'm just wondering if there is a way to make them more fair in this regard as I actually like the custom-ness to Kong's characters (as I do to both Mr. Infinite's and R@ce's edits). Without fixing this I can't add them to the full game compilation that I'm putting together for a couple of my friends. Now I know this sounds mighty leech-like but they know little to nothing about the Mugen world and love the Vs series so I'm trying to help them out by putting together a game for them. Anyway, is there a way to fix the amount of damage they do? Cause even against each other they take off a lot of life! /:O
Post by: C.R.O.M. jodafro619 on September 28, 2011, 08:22:01 AM
Post by: Acey on September 28, 2011, 10:20:04 AM
Well, no my problem with them isn't the AI at all...it's the fact that (and again I say this may just be that I don't know enough about coding to change it myself) but it's the fact that they take off SOOOOO much damage by default even with me setting the life to 300...I've tried reducing both defense and attack in the cns but that doesn't work (probably obvious) so I'm just wondering if there is a way to make them more fair in this regard as I actually like the custom-ness to Kong's characters (as I do to both Mr. Infinite's and R@ce's edits). Without fixing this I can't add them to the full game compilation that I'm putting together for a couple of my friends. Now I know this sounds mighty leech-like but they know little to nothing about the Mugen world and love the Vs series so I'm trying to help them out by putting together a game for them. Anyway, is there a way to fix the amount of damage they do? Cause even against each other they take off a lot of life! /:O
You said it's not the AI but the damage? All of Kong's chars do normal damage and have a damage dampener to reduce damage on larger combos...
Post by: Megabyte on September 29, 2011, 01:09:58 AM
@Crom: Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up. :thumbsup:
Post by: Saikoro on September 29, 2011, 12:02:01 PM
Kong's creations are better suited for people who don't know squat about Mugen's vast library of Mugen stuffs. There's probably another 5 better Sabretooth's out there. To the oblivious, Kong's works are fine. To the Mugen Diehards, Kong's coding is atrocious.
These releases are great to see, but why not take better coded work and filter that?? I'd rather have a filtered Omega Red by Cyanide instead of Kong's or whomever's work as Cyanide's coding is far superior. If you want to release quality stuff, have quality standards.
Alas, it's neat to see these releases. I wish their sources were far superior, like GM's SF3 Akuma and Ryu counterparts.
Post by: Acey on September 29, 2011, 12:28:20 PM
Kong. Yikes. I remember posting on this when all of his characters were originally released.
Kong's creations are better suited for people who don't know squat about Mugen's vast library of Mugen stuffs. There's probably another 5 better Sabretooth's out there. To the oblivious, Kong's works are fine. To the Mugen Diehards, Kong's coding is atrocious.
These releases are great to see, but why not take better coded work and filter that?? I'd rather have a filtered Omega Red by Cyanide instead of Kong's or whomever's work as Cyanide's coding is far superior. If you want to release quality stuff, have quality standards.
Alas, it's neat to see these releases. I wish their sources were far superior, like GM's SF3 Akuma and Ryu counterparts.
Vague, and the typical reply. 8=| If you knew the slightest about code I don't believe you would have made such a comment. This is the propoganda coming from the other forums, that obviously you believe. It you were talking about playing style we'd be having a different discussion. So please, enlighten us with an example of atrocious coding?
Post by: Megabyte on October 02, 2011, 01:20:11 AM
Post by: Saikoro on October 03, 2011, 08:01:54 AM
Also consider that when Kong went on his initial release fit a couple of years ago, countless forum goers were making comparisons to Kong's releases, saying how some of his coding wasn't up to standards while compared to previous releases of other characters at that time. I am no coder by any means, but I do have a sense to say "hey, this doesn't feel as accurate as it should." But its also Mugen, so accuracy doesn't apply. With my hands on time using Kong's characters, I didn't hate them, I just thought he could have done a much better job, that's all. His Omega Red is OK, but compared to Cybaster's recent release, the coding is atrocious in comparison. Again, you have multiple people on various forums who say this. You also have plenty of other forum goers who would have agreed with me on this subject.
Are these releases cool?? Absolutely. Could the source material be better?? Sure. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Shadow Dio on October 03, 2011, 03:54:58 PM
Second, His coding while effective done
I almost died laughing. His coding is just flat out horrible. Period.
Same with this "Filtered" fad that 2 years ago was the "HD" fad. Just the name changed...
Post by: SanjiSasuke on October 03, 2011, 03:57:08 PM
I almost died laughing. His coding is just flat out horrible. Period.
Same with this "Filtered" fad that 2 years ago was the "HD" fad. Just the name changed...
Vague, and the typical reply. ... So please, enlighten us with an example of atrocious coding?
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on October 04, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
Post by: Megabyte on October 05, 2011, 10:51:18 PM
Post by: Acey on October 05, 2011, 10:56:10 PM
Post by: Megabyte on October 05, 2011, 11:02:14 PM
Or... in the options in mugen, set the difficulty to a lower lever...
Well that would work but my problem isn't the difficulty but the damage they do...or does the difficulty in 1.0 also affect the damage?
Post by: SanjiSasuke on October 05, 2011, 11:05:46 PM
Post by: Megabyte on October 05, 2011, 11:37:20 PM
Well you could just change attack stat in the CNS file. It should be right at the top with life/defense, etc.
Yeah I think I'm gonna have to try and find a balance that way...though I know for some characters in the past that I have tried this for it gets overridden by other coding in the character elsewhere...but yeah I'll try that and if not maybe there is just ONE file I can use to fix the damage value and whatnot while leaving the rest alone...?
Post by: Acey on October 06, 2011, 12:13:24 AM
Post by: Space (DCL) on October 06, 2011, 12:15:39 AM
Post by: MugenM on October 06, 2011, 09:26:52 AM
Post by: Acey on October 06, 2011, 10:10:18 AM
Yeah, on 1.0 he is fine and isn't the beast you are probably facing on other versions of mugen. Kong's characters become rather tame with the difficulty settings on 1.0. I love these Filtered characters, and to the moron troll saying something about filtered being a fad..word of advice...shut up.
Thanks for the kind comment MugenM. Although though, let's not hate the haters. We're all above that.
Post by: Megabyte on October 06, 2011, 10:10:07 PM
Megabyte, Sabretooth does 24 damage on light attacks, 40 on medium, 64 on hard attacks.. specials do between 60 and 120, hyper do about 240 up to 320. It doesn't get much better than that.
Hmmmm...then I'm not sure what's going on with my version. Wish I could record the match I did to show it but it's ok. I'll just use the difficulty settings. Thanks for the help, guys.
Post by: Saikoro on October 07, 2011, 09:34:33 AM
"Kong doesn't listen to feedback, period. He craps out a character every two days and doesn't put any love into it. "OH LOOK I'M CONVERTING ALL OF THE CAST OF MVC2 + MORE DESPITE THE FACT I SPENT NO EFFIN TIME ON IT WHATSOEVER AND NOW LOOK A WARZARD CHARACTER AM I THE FIRST TO DO THIS I DUNNO BUT REGARDLESS IT'S WARZARD SO IT MUST BE GOOD SO DOWNLOAD IT AND USE IT NOW!!!! Kong's crap is nothing but a waste of hard drive space."
The forum thread I originally got this from can be found here:
"http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=82268.0"
Let me again stress that I wasn't spouting forum propaganda at all, I was simply voicing my opinions here on Infinity. And isn't that what forums are about?? My point was why not make high resolution characters off of better coded sources?? I think its brilliant we have GM's Akuma in High Resolution. Not so much with Sabretooth (as much as I love the character itself).
That's all really.
Post by: Acey on October 07, 2011, 10:13:12 AM
Post by: Saikoro on October 07, 2011, 11:18:19 AM
Being a huge Mugen nut, I always like to post across as many threads as I can while remaining sincere and humble, all with an open mind. I hope I didn't come across the wrong way.
Ultimately, its all about choice in which characters we decide to use. So the more options, the better!!
Keep on the releases. I'm enjoying it overall!!
:thumbsup: