Post by: DukeNukem 2417 on August 22, 2009, 10:09:51 AM
The Riddler----Come on, people...you know you want to see a reimagining of the Riddler! Besides, in that alternate reality game for The Dark Knight, the "Gotham Times" had a letter to the editor written by one Edward Nashton....a.k.a. Edward Nigma...a.k.a. THE RIDDLER! Casting: Either Johnny Depp or David Tennant.
Black Mask----It would be cool to have someone who the Wayne family unintentionally ruined as a villain. Casting: James Remar (he voiced the character in The Batman)
Catwoman----Am I the only one who expected her to be in the next film after hearing this line?
"Can it hold off a dog?" "....it'll do fine against cats." Casting: Jessica Alba (cuz I wanna see her in a leather catsuit)
The Phantasm----"Batman: Mask of the Phantasm" gave Bat-fans (don't hit!) a brand-new villain in the form of Andrea Beaumont, a former love interest of Bruce Wayne who became a much darker vigilante than Batman after her father got killed by the Joker. If done right, a Nolan-esque Phantasm could be the foil to Batman---remember, at the end of The Dark Knight, the public blamed Batman for the murders of the corrupt cops and Sal Maroni. Casting: Jessica Biel. (What? There's no law saying you can't have Jessica Alba and Jessica Biel in the same movie!)
Two Face----Yes, that's right. I personally think that Harvey Dent didn't bite the dust at the end of The Dark Knight.
So, d'you like my ideas, or do you think they suck? Feel free to reply!
Post by: KenFan9276 - Member of CROM on August 22, 2009, 10:12:46 AM
^^(PM)^
Post by: Spidermew on August 22, 2009, 11:08:31 AM
Phantasm wouldnt work like that because they cant use the joker anymore.
Maybe have scarecrow do some more supervillany instead of being a punk taken down in a few moments, maybe with him going a bit insane and donning a hat and an outfit made of burlap.
Clayface would be intresting to see done, but as to which version i cannont say. Maybe a new version of clayface, perhaps batman axidently creates this one the same way most versions of the joker get started, by batman axidently knocking a masked man into a vat of chemicals. Red Hood becomes clayface instead of Joker. Would be neet.. Ron Pearlman for clayface perhaps
Ohh, Mark Hammel as The Clock King... >.> <.<
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on August 22, 2009, 11:53:24 AM
Yes i do agree with Kenfan . Joker was too scary & ledger made a terrible Joker
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Post by: KenFan9276 - Member of CROM on August 22, 2009, 12:32:25 PM
Clayface , with the look & story from the animated series . :thumbsup:YESH!YESH!
Yes i do agree with Kenfan . Joker was too scary & ledger made a terrible Joker
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Post by: DukeNukem 2417 on August 22, 2009, 03:13:27 PM
Clayface would be intresting to see done, but as to which version i cannont say. Maybe a new version of clayface, perhaps batman axidently creates this one the same way most versions of the joker get started, by batman axidently knocking a masked man into a vat of chemicals. Red Hood becomes clayface instead of Joker. Would be neet.. Ron Pearlman for clayface perhaps
I don't know if Clayface could be done in the Nolan films....it's too fantastical. All of the villains seen in Chris Nolan's Batman series so far----Ra's Al Ghul, the Scarecrow, the Joker, Two-Face----are more realistic than any other incarnation. If Clayface was just disfigured instead of given shapeshifting powers, then maybe it could work...and yes, SpiderMew, I think that Ron Perlman would be perfect for that role.
Yes i do agree with Kenfan . Joker was too scary & ledger made a terrible Joker.
There's about a half billion people who'd love to disagree with you, DARKTALBAIN---and I'm one of them. Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker was one of the best parts of the film, bar none. Just don't compare the Joker from TDK to Mr. Freeze or Poison Ivy from Batman & Robin---THAT film sucked.
Post by: R.I.C.O - Twon on August 22, 2009, 03:16:48 PM
Post by: DukeNukem 2417 on August 22, 2009, 03:18:20 PM
....and in a completely unrelated matter, what if they put Harley Quinn in the next Batman film?
Post by: .:K.I.N.G:. on August 22, 2009, 03:49:39 PM
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on August 22, 2009, 03:51:49 PM
There's about a half billion people who'd love to disagree with you, DARKTALBAIN---and I'm one of them. Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker was one of the best parts of the film, bar none. Just don't compare the Joker from TDK to Mr. Freeze or Poison Ivy from Batman & Robin---THAT film sucked.
I wasn't joking . heath ledger sucked as the joker . He was depressed , dark & moody on screen . It's exactly what he was in real life . I don't even think the guy was acting , he was just being himself . He deserved no nominations for his " acting " skills . The Joker totally ruined the film for me . I'm glad that he didn't have more screen time than he did .
To me the definitive Joker personality is from TAS . Mark Hamill is the Joker . Too bad bad he so old that he couldn't play the part . They should have had a real actor play the role for Joker ( not ledger ) & then just dub over Hamill's voice .
Post by: R.I.C.O - Twon on August 22, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
Post by: JDubbs on August 22, 2009, 04:23:17 PM
Post by: TomBewley on August 22, 2009, 09:09:05 PM
After the destruction and madness of the Joker, the calculating qualities of Ras and with Rachel gone it only makes sense for the villain to be closer to Bruce personally. A new love interest to replace Rachel so to speak. Although the female villains are limited. Ivy I can't see working with the realistic direction. Talia would cobtinue the Ras saga but meh, not really a villain. Harley is a bit too similar to Joker so that leaves Catwoman. Not exactly the most threatening character, so maybe as a side villain ala Batman Returns. Although been there done that....and no one can beat Pfeiffer in my eye.
I would say the best idea would be The Riddler, but only if he is done well and not a Joker rip off. And throw in Catwoman to spice things up
Post by: DukeNukem 2417 on August 23, 2009, 09:40:08 AM
Post by: catbat74 on August 23, 2009, 10:28:28 AM
Post by: Near on August 23, 2009, 10:47:54 AM
Or maybe Hush or Red Hood: the first is the best friend of Bruce Wayne when was child, and Red Hood is the masked identity of Jason Todd, the second Robin killed by the joker... but for make Red hood i think there is too much to explain for a movie...
Post by: Tazzer on August 23, 2009, 11:43:43 AM
Post by: The King Sic-1™ on August 23, 2009, 12:52:03 PM
Post by: Near on August 23, 2009, 12:52:28 PM
Maybe we can have Killer croc and the Penguin beside him... an old villain and a new, or Zsaz and Hush. batman is full of characters with potential, i think is an error just using and reusing the same 3-4. :)
Post by: Kid Chyllen™♪ on August 23, 2009, 01:02:07 PM
Robin Williams would make a great Riddler, and Patrick Stewart would own as Mr. Freeze :w00t:
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Post by: KenFan9276 - Member of CROM on August 23, 2009, 03:41:58 PM
Post by: C.R.O.M. jodafro619 on August 23, 2009, 07:12:33 PM
Robin Williams= The MAD Hatter
Vin Diesel= The guy who cuts onto him how many people he murder (Help me out people lol)
Mila Jovavich= Poison Ivy
Post by: DrZaius on August 23, 2009, 07:32:18 PM
It's a big rock, from what I hear.
Post by: Near on August 23, 2009, 07:52:56 PM
I like a lot of your ideas guys!! Wel here I go:
Robin Williams= The MAD Hatter
Vin Diesel= The guy who cuts onto him how many people he murder (Help me out people lol)
Mila Jovavich= Poison Ivy
That's Zsas :)
i want him too... Robbie for the mad hatter is a good new entry!
Post by: Yung Kratos on August 23, 2009, 09:19:05 PM
Post by: ATiC3 on August 24, 2009, 12:15:31 AM
I agree with Catwoman though, definitely needs to be in. Berry was swexy in the '03 or '04 film, but the story just didn't seem right...
Harley Quinn would be a good surprise.. maybe taking a little revenge at Batman putting the Joker in Arkham.. (By the way, has anyone else noticed that in the past 2 films Arkham hasn't really been mentioned.... :-??)
Post by: Alexziq on August 24, 2009, 09:17:18 AM
1. Riddler or Catwoman because they are classic characters.
a. Problem is that Nolan doesn't want to rehash any previous villians, he said he did Joker because it was essential.
2. Penguin as a mob boss. Bring in penguin with Croc, Deadshot, Bane, Firefly and other iconic minor Bat-villains as henchmen. It's how Penguin is in the comics now day.
a. Same problem as above, plus it's obviously going to be more expensive with multiple villians along with little time for character developement. Plus Nolan would probably downplay the Superhuman aspects of a Bane, or Croc.
3. Ra's returning with Talia, and the League of Assasins. This opens up a chance to bring in a Deathstroke, Merlyn, Lady Shiva, and other fantastic martial arts ninja type players, again demonstrating multiple villians.
a. Probably too left of center for Hollywood. While these villains are common place to the comic readers, most average folks don't know about them. The other problem is that even if Liam somehow survived the 1st film no villian has ever returned in a Bat-Film, and Talia alone without her father is a tad too obscure, unless an Anjolina Jolie played her just to wow the audience.
Its a tough call to follow up the Dark Knight. It has to be spectacular, it would have to be on par with that, and thats the problem. A 4th film based on Arkam Asylum is the only other no brainer, but this is too early in Batmans career, and theres the whole Batman is on the run, and rogue in Gotham now, and it just doesn't fit. It's going to take time to figure this out so it may be a while b4 part 3 gets done.
Hush, or RIP are possibilities that could work too, but at such an early stage in the Batmans career, theres so much that would need to be left out.
Post by: JDubbs on August 24, 2009, 09:28:30 AM
Post by: Spidermew on August 24, 2009, 09:30:58 AM
no villian has ever returned in a Bat-Film
Scarecrow did. He's still alive, was in Begins and Dark Knight.
Post by: Alexziq on August 24, 2009, 10:35:11 AM
Scarecrow did. He's still alive, was in Begins and Dark Knight.
True, thats a good point.
Post Merge: August 24, 2009, 10:38:01 AM
The problem with having Deathstroke is I see them messing up somehow like they did Deadpool imo (something i was very saddened about as i watched that movie :(
Also Deathstroke isn't really a Batman villian. Bats, and Slade have rarely fought. Slade is really a villian of Nightwing, and Robin with the Titans, and Outsiders.
Post by: fer619 on August 24, 2009, 01:39:28 PM
Clayface
Scarecrow
Man-bat
Catwoman
Two-face
Scarface
Riddler
Mad Hatter
Post by: Near on August 24, 2009, 05:14:51 PM
a. Problem is that Nolan doesn't want to rehash any previous villians, he said he did Joker because it was essential.
for me that is not a problem :)... good to se some new faces eheh
Post by: Tundra on August 24, 2009, 06:18:19 PM
Post by: criok on August 24, 2009, 06:19:59 PM
Post by: TomBewley on August 24, 2009, 06:28:48 PM
I'm not sure if going to one of Batman's lesser known villains is a great idea or a bad idea. They offer more choice and many of them are more realistic such as Hush/Deadshot etc but they aren't the best known villains and perhaps the audience may not react well. It is a tough one, especially the approach Nolan is taking to the series.
Post by: Kriven on August 24, 2009, 06:34:11 PM
Also, as much as I'd like to see her return, I don't think they'll use Catwoman after the hate her first movie received. Unfortunate. And even if they did use her, I doubt Berry would play her, since she hated the movie, and I can't see anyone else as a Catwoman >.>;
Mr. Freeze might be interesting, although he doesn't exactly fit the realistic bill. I don't really know much about Solomon Grundy, but he doesn't look all too Fantastic and might fit in well. Now that I'm thinking about Grundy, maybe he could be the henchman for mobboss Penguin?
Post by: Tundra on August 24, 2009, 06:47:31 PM
cat woman new version... \-/oShe's not epic enough! Gotta be character that was epic like the Joker. R.I.P. Heath Ledger.
Post by: Spidermew on August 24, 2009, 06:50:06 PM
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Post by: Alexziq on August 25, 2009, 09:17:08 AM
You wont get a Grundy type because he's a Superhuman character.
I honestly see Nolan ending up picking Penguin, or Riddler, and re-imagining them in a darker realistic version like the "the Batman" toons. Ledger was more rag tag, and less dapper like that version of the Joker, and I could them using a Marylin Manson esque Riddler to appeal to the masses.
Bale at one time said the 3rd movie was going to be the best of them all so there must be something good on the plate.
Post by: Dzayan, The Warrior on August 25, 2009, 09:28:33 AM
Post by: Near on August 25, 2009, 10:17:42 AM
Post by: ItalianStallion on August 25, 2009, 12:23:48 PM
Post by: DukeNukem 2417 on August 29, 2009, 11:15:48 AM
Harley Quinn: Since the Joker is probably not going to be in the next film, Dr. Harleen Quinzel could become Harley Quinn after getting kidnapped and tortured by a few "former associates" of the Joker. Casting: Let's see your ideas.
Hush: Tommy Elliot, formerly a childhood friend of Bruce Wayne, now one of his most feared enemies. After Tommy cut the brakes on his parents' car, his mother (who he hated) was saved thanks to an emergency surgery performed by Thomas Wayne. Tommy Elliot grew up hating Bruce, and eventually becomes Hush, his face obscured by bandages and his mind clouded by hatred. Casting: uh....crud. Again, I'd love to hear your ideas.
Clock King: If done correctly, the Clock King could actually be a good villain, using time bombs (cuz he's obsessed with time and all that) to threaten Gotham. Casting: Malcom McDowell.
Firefly: In keeping with the more realistic style of Chris Nolan's Batman films, Firefly would be an arsonist who uses rather creative methods to make it look like he can fly away from the scene of his crimes. Casting: Chris Evans (yes, I know he played the Human Torch...)
Poison Ivy: No plant control powers; she'd be a radical bioterrorist who uses chemical and biological warfare to terrify the citizens of Gotham City. Casting: Since so many of you want to see her in the next film, post and tell me who you'd like to see in the role.
Post by: Near on August 29, 2009, 03:36:39 PM
Post by: DukeNukem 2417 on August 29, 2009, 03:46:38 PM
Hush --> Daniel Craig
Dang, that's a pretty good casting choice, Near! ^^(PM)^ Daniel Craig as Hush....why didn't I think of that?!
Post by: Barbary on August 29, 2009, 06:12:14 PM
I could see Depp as the Riddler, but only if he didnt play him as a psychopath. The Riddler was a sociopath. Playing him as some cooky nut job ruined him in Batman Forever.
Post by: Near on August 29, 2009, 06:59:16 PM
I was actually thinking more Clive Owen as Hush. I think he could pull off Hush's particular brand of insanity much better than Mr Bond could. That would be the other reason I wouldnt expect Daniel Craig. The next James Bond is gonna be starting up soon.
I could see Depp as the Riddler, but only if he didnt play him as a psychopath. The Riddler was a sociopath. Playing him as some cooky nut job ruined him in Batman Forever.
But Hush is not a crazy villain, is ever not ben caught yet and never goes to Arkham, is like Rah's al Ghul or Lex Luthor. a enemy close to the hero but not insane. Plus, Craig as played a very good performance how the bad guy in Mission Impossible2. ;)
i think is very good the two: riddler and Hush. because Hush's very enemy is not Batman but the Ridller!