Post by: BigJ on March 31, 2008, 12:53:22 AM
Rant over...
What are your thoughts?
Post by: Aura-Master on March 31, 2008, 01:22:23 AM
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 31, 2008, 02:16:25 AM
I loved all of his games up untill Heroes. It was decent and entertaining, but not as awesome as his other games. A good 7/10 seems about right.
Sonic 06, despite the glitches, broken gameplay, wierd story, and more unwanted characters; it had good level design (for Sonic's missions anyway).
Secret Rings was awesome when I rented it, and I intend on purchasing it here soon.
Haven't played the Riders or Rush series yet, but I heard great things about the Rush games and will be buying them this weekend. I'm going to rent Rider: Zero Gravity when I get back from my vacation because it looks pretty fun.
Bottom line, Sonic is the greatest gaming character alive! One bad game (Sonic 06), big woop, he's got another on the way that looks awesome.
Post by: Darkgargos on March 31, 2008, 02:35:50 AM
Post by: BigJ on March 31, 2008, 10:51:07 AM
@Darkgargos: Totally man, I feel the same way. Personally, I think Sonic should just keep his mouth shut, unless hes in a game like smash bros. IMO, Sonic Team should just stick to what sells and stay 2D, instead of trying over and over to make a good 3D Sonic game.
Post by: RiceTheZilla on March 31, 2008, 11:04:05 AM
:| = Average.
:-& = Sucks.
List of bad Sonic games:
Sonic 3D Blast(:-&)
Sonic R(:-&)
Sonic Riders series(:-&)
Sonic Heroes(:-&)
Sonic Adventure(bad voice acting :|).
Sonic Shuffle(:-&).
Sonic Fighters(:-&).
Sonic Rivals series(:-&)
Sonic Secret of the Rings(:|)
Billy Hatcher(:-&) <-Yeah it counts.
Shadow The Hedgehog(:-&).
Sonic The Hedgehog 06(:-&).
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games(:|) <-Olympics wow.
In a few months "Sonic Unleashed", will be on that list.
Sega should just end the Sonic Series, or his legacy will be ruined.
Post by: BigJ on March 31, 2008, 11:10:46 AM
Post by: Sir Meta Knight on March 31, 2008, 12:01:32 PM
In addition, all of the "unnecessary" characters greatly contributed to the plot of the games they were in. Quite a few of them were very original, like Silver, the one people seem to hate the most just because he's one of the most original Sonic character design-wise (psychokinesis FTW :thumbsup: ) and has lots of potential.
Lastly, I'm one of the few people (if any at all) who liked Sonic 06, so don't insult me for that. I liked it, but I don't say it's the best Sonic game ever. (Adventure 2 is the best to me :) ) In a way, I am a Sonic fanboy, and I think that Sonic is just as good as he's always been....well, to an extent... (bring back Ryan Drummond NOW!!!!!)
P.S. To assure you that I'm not a "rabid Sonic fanboy"... Sonic SatAM sucks...a lot <_<|...|
Post by: RiceTheZilla on March 31, 2008, 12:08:18 PM
Personally, (and I bet I'm the only person in existence who think so), I prefer the 3D Sonic games to the 2D ones (except Advance and Rush). To me, the 3D games were easier (Yes, I haven't beaten any of the Genesis games without cheating, so what? <_<|...|) and had far more interesting stories. Plus, the 3D games let you do more than just run down a single path, they added a bit of exploration.You're a "Sonic Team Fanboy", you must have been born playing 3D games to like new sonic over the old. :|
In addition, all of the "unnecessary" characters greatly contributed to the plot of the games they were in. Quite a few of them were very original, like Silver, the one people seem to hate the most just because he's one of the most original Sonic character design-wise (psychokinesis FTW :thumbsup: ) and has lots of potential.
Lastly, I'm one of the few people (if any at all) who liked Sonic 06, so don't insult me for that. I liked it, but I don't say it's the best Sonic game ever. (Adventure 2 is the best to me :) ) In a way, I am a Sonic fanboy, and I think that Sonic is just as good as he's always been....well, to an extent... (bring back Ryan Drummond NOW!!!!!)
P.S. To assure you that I'm not a "rabid Sonic fanboy"... Sonic SatAM sucks...a lot <_<|...|
Sonic 06 was the worst game ever, the long loadtimes, pointless stupid challenges, un-original storyline(mario ripp off?), Bad voice acting even worst than SA, and boring characters. Hedgehog x Human is also disgusting. :|
<_<|...| 2D Sonic games had good music, graphics, level design, it doesn't need a story.
Silver is not original.
Coming from the Future to save the past. Sup Trunks.
Post by: Sir Meta Knight on March 31, 2008, 12:27:51 PM
Personally, (and I bet I'm the only person in existence who think so), I prefer the 3D Sonic games to the 2D ones (except Advance and Rush). To me, the 3D games were easier (Yes, I haven't beaten any of the Genesis games without cheating, so what? <_<|...|) and had far more interesting stories. Plus, the 3D games let you do more than just run down a single path, they added a bit of exploration.You're a "Sonic Team Fanboy", you must have been born playing 3D games to like new sonic over the old. :|
In addition, all of the "unnecessary" characters greatly contributed to the plot of the games they were in. Quite a few of them were very original, like Silver, the one people seem to hate the most just because he's one of the most original Sonic character design-wise (psychokinesis FTW :thumbsup: ) and has lots of potential.
Lastly, I'm one of the few people (if any at all) who liked Sonic 06, so don't insult me for that. I liked it, but I don't say it's the best Sonic game ever. (Adventure 2 is the best to me :) ) In a way, I am a Sonic fanboy, and I think that Sonic is just as good as he's always been....well, to an extent... (bring back Ryan Drummond NOW!!!!!)
P.S. To assure you that I'm not a "rabid Sonic fanboy"... Sonic SatAM sucks...a lot <_<|...|
Sonic 06 was the worst game ever, the long loadtimes, pointless stupid challenges, un-original storyline(mario ripp off?), Bad voice acting even worst than SA, and boring characters. Hedgehog x Human is also disgusting. :|
<_<|...| 2D Sonic games had good music, graphics, level design, it doesn't need a story.
Silver is not original.
Coming from the Future to save the past. Sup Trunks.
I am not a "Sonic Team fanboy", FYI, I despise Elise (just as much as I despise Princess Sally, which is a lot)
I was being polite and you just go and insult me in the first line of your post.
Also, I grew up with the Genesis Sonic games, and I loved those games, and still do, just not as much as Sonic Adventure 1+2 and Heroes.
Plus, so what if Silver has ONLY ONE thing in common with another character, he's oneof the most original Sonic characters compared to other Sonic characters. He's a hell of a lot better tham those useless, crappy SatAM characters mostly everyone seems to worship, since he can actually DO something.
Not to mention, games nowadays need to have a good story, gameplay alone won't sell a game. Would you play a game with decent controls, but the worst plot in history? <_<|...|.
And another thing, Sonic 06's story wasn't even close to a Mario game, once you know what's really going on.
And the voice acting only got bad when they changed the voice actors (which I say is the BIGGEST mistake Sonic team ever made), Sonic Adventure 1+2 and Heroes had great voice acting. And the 2D games had good music, but the 3D games had better music.
Next time, don't insult someone for expressing an opinion. :|
Post by: RiceTheZilla on March 31, 2008, 12:42:33 PM
Sonic's storyline was ripped off Mario.
Silver's storyline has been done before.
Shadow's um..i wouldn't call this a storyline.
Sat AM is not canon, don't compare Silver with those characters.
"Would you play a game with decent controls, but the worst plot in history?"
Ive played alot of games, with bad storylines.
"And the voice acting only got bad when they changed the voice actors (which I say is the BIGGEST mistake Sonic team ever made), Sonic Adventure 1+2 and Heroes had great voice acting. And the 2D games had good music, but the 3D games had better music."
No. The lip synch is horrible, Sonic Adventure 1+2 had bad voice acting, and really "original lines". :|
"3D Sonic Games have better music"
WOW. just wow.
Post by: Sir Meta Knight on March 31, 2008, 12:55:33 PM
When did i insult you? Calling you a "Sonicteam Fanboy" is an insult?
Sonic's storyline was ripped off Mario.
Silver's storyline has been done before.
Shadow's um..i wouldn't call this a storyline.
Sat AM is not canon, don't compare Silver with those characters.
Of course now is "Next Gen".
"Would you play a game with decent controls, but the worst plot in history?"
Ive played alot of games, with bad storylines.
"And the voice acting only got bad when they changed the voice actors (which I say is the BIGGEST mistake Sonic team ever made), Sonic Adventure 1+2 and Heroes had great voice acting. And the 2D games had good music, but the 3D games had better music."
No. The lip synch is horrible, Sonic Adventure 1+2 had bad voice acting, and really "original lines". :|
"3D Sonic Games have better music"
WOW. just wow.
Now that definitely sounded like one big insult. Once again, you make it seem like I'm an idiot because I have an opinion. So I like the 3D games better, big deal? I was just saying why, and you made a big thing out of it.
The lipsynching is hardly an issue at all, since the characters were speaking JAPANESE, so they did their best to match the original lines, being 1 or 2 words off isn't the end of the world. And the voices were great.
Also, EVERYTHING has been done before at some point, that can't be helped, so that isn't a factor. There are tons of games involving saving a princess <_<|...|
And yes, to me, the 3D Sonic games have better music that doesn't get annoying after the 10th time.
Post by: RiceTheZilla on March 31, 2008, 01:11:12 PM
"There are tons of games involving saving a princess"
Yeah, that is why it's unoriginal.
"The lipsynching is hardly an issue at all, since the characters were speaking JAPANESE, so they did their best to match the original lines, being 1 or 2 words off isn't the end of the world. And the voices were great."
That isn't an excuse, i know dubbed games that don't have crappy lip synch. :|
"And yes, to me, the 3D Sonic games have better music that doesn't get annoying after the 10th time."
<_<|...| Whatever, everyone has their own opinion i guess.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on March 31, 2008, 01:19:50 PM
They know they did wrong, that's why Unleashed seems to be going back to it's roots gameplay-wise.
It's like Mega Man X7. Capcom knew they f***ed up, so Mega Man X8 took everything that was good about the X-series, and just made the models and the enviroment 3D and that game whooped all kinds of @$$. I think Sonic Team will make up for thier mistake.
Post by: Sir Meta Knight on March 31, 2008, 01:22:58 PM
And you're right, everyone has their own opinion. In your opinion, all of the 3D Sonic games suck, and in my opinion, all of the Genesis games are boring and are not as fun as they used to be. I will respect your opinion as long as you respect mine. ^-^
Hopefully, Sonic Unleashed will be a mix of 2D and 3D (which it seems to be), to make both sides happy.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on March 31, 2008, 01:25:41 PM
Post by: Sir Meta Knight on March 31, 2008, 01:27:52 PM
Oh and yeah, I like to rock all the balls to sonic music, is that so wrong? "All of me", "His World", "Seven Ring in Hand", "The Chosen One", "All Hail Shadow", "Almost Dead", "Live & Learn", "What I'm Made Of", "Catch Me If You Can", good stuff man, good stuff.
I agree! :thumbsup:
Live and Learn FTW!
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on March 31, 2008, 01:39:06 PM
Sonic Advance: Nope, not Sonic Team. Dimps, a Japanese development team made it.
Sonic Rivals: Nope, not Sonic Team, Backbone Entertainment, a Canadian development team. Canadian! (Gold-platted DOG!)
Hell, almost half of Sonic Team are from Sammy who got moved into the team after the Sega-Sammy merger, Rookies at the Sonic franchise. Does it make more sense now why Sonic 06' is the way it is, why is even just called Sonic the Hedgehog?
Post by: RiceTheZilla on March 31, 2008, 01:42:40 PM
Live & Learn is probably the only theme i like in 3D Sonic games, the rest aren't memorable.
Maybe because it was made to celebrate the 15th anniversary of the Sonic the Hedgehog.
Also heres the reason why it sucked.
Yojiro Ogawa:
The reason why we probably ended up with what we see today, involves a lot of reasons. One is that we did want to launch the title around Christmas, and we had the PS3 launch coming up, but we had to develop for Microsoft's 360 at the same time and the team had an awful lot of pressure on them. It was very hard for the team to try and see how we were going to come out with both versions together with just the one team. It was a big challenge.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on March 31, 2008, 02:00:24 PM
Creator of the game really doesn't matter. It's still Sonic.
Live & Learn is probably the only theme i like in 3D Sonic games, the rest aren't memorable.
Maybe because it was made to celebrate the 15th anniversary of the Sonic the Hedgehog.
Also heres the reason why it sucked.
Yojiro Ogawa:
The reason why we probably ended up with what we see today, involves a lot of reasons. One is that we did want to launch the title around Christmas, and we had the PS3 launch coming up, but we had to develop for Microsoft's 360 at the same time and the team had an awful lot of pressure on them. It was very hard for the team to try and see how we were going to come out with both versions together with just the one team. It was a big challenge.
A song doesn't have to be memorable to still be good. I'm sure you've heard plenty of good songs in your life that when I DO hear them, you say to yourself, "Good song", and then move on. And I never said it wasn't still Sonic. I just said Sonic Team hasn't done a Sonic game in a while. Also, the creator does matter where quality is conserned because all it takes is a bad game to blam a entire franchise, and well, Sonic hasn't been right since Sonic Team left the scene.
Post by: RiceTheZilla on March 31, 2008, 02:10:30 PM
I just remembered, Sonic Adventure 2 had the best soundtrack(in 3D Sonic games). ;D
Also about Sonic Team you're wrong, it may not be the same people, but it's the same team.
Games developed by Sonic Team:
Sonic the Hedgehog (16-bit) (1991)
Ristar (16-bit) (1995)
Nights into Dreams... (1996)
Christmas Nights (1996)
Burning Rangers (1998)
Sonic Adventure/Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut (1999/2003)
ChuChu Rocket! (1999/2000)
Samba de Amigo (1999-arcade version; 2000-console versions)
Samba de Amigo Ver.2000 (2000-Japan)
Phantasy Star Online (2000)
Sonic Pinball Party (2002) <-
Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg (2003)
Puyo Pop Fever (2003-arcade version; 2004-console versions)
Astro Boy (2004)
Sega SuperStars (2004)
Puyo Pop Fever 2 (2005)
Phantasy Star Universe (2006)
Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) <- :-&
Sonic and the Secret Rings (2007)
Puyo Puyo 15th Anniversary (2007)
Phantasy Star Portable (2008)
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on March 31, 2008, 02:28:18 PM
Sonic Team: Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Pinball Party (no Sonic CD)
New Sonic Team: Sonic 06', Sonic & the Secret Rings
Every other game Sonic game is not them, the all the game gear games, the puzzle games, Spinball, CD, Chaotix, Advance, Rush, Rivals, Riders, Sonic R, 3D Blast, Fighters, SegaSonic the Arcade, Shuffle, Heroes, Shadow, all of it.
And with the expcetion of the Advance, Rush & CD series, every other game just doesn't have it where it counts most.
Sonic has had so many third-party developers in his life that it's brought his franchise to where it stands today. Traveller's Tales, Aspcet, Backbone, Sega-AM2, Sega Studios USA, UGA development, Polygames, Compile, JSH, it's like he got orphened and just bounced around from one family to another. Granted Mario's got some bad games, but never has he gotten this kind of treatment.
Post by: RiceTheZilla on March 31, 2008, 02:37:39 PM
New Sonic Team created Sonic Adventure 2, and Shadow TH also.
Games developed in co-operation with Sonic Team
Sonic The Fighters (Arcade) (1996)
Sonic 3D Blast (1996)
Sonic R (1997) Sonic Shuffle (2000)
Virtua Striker 3 (2001)
Virtua Striker 3 Version 2002 (2002)
Sonic The Hedgehog was not created by the New Sonic Team, SEGA would never do that for a 15th anniversary title.
Both Teams are bad.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on March 31, 2008, 02:43:05 PM
Wrong again, Sonic TH 2&3, was made by Sonic Team in collaboration with Sega Technical Institute.
New Sonic Team created Sonic Adventure 2 Also.
Sonic The Hedgehog was not created by the New Sonic Team, SEGA would never do that for a 15th anniversary title.
Collaborated, but still there.
Sonic Adventure 2 was Sonic Team USA, now known as Sega Studios USA, which is why I didn't include it.
And do you honestly think they be able to bring back the original Sonic Team for that game? Considering it was after the merger, and seeing as how Sonic's creator didn't even work on it, because he's been busy with the new independant development team Sega gave him?
If so, you have more faith in a game company then I'd ever give anyone credit for.
Post by: RiceTheZilla on March 31, 2008, 03:00:48 PM
It seems Sonic Team creates good games, when they are in collaboration.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on March 31, 2008, 03:08:37 PM
Okay, i understand, BUT, Sonic Team had a good team(some of the original creatos) for Sonic & the Secret of the Rings, and that game rivals Sonic TH(06).
It seems Sonic Team creates good games, when they are in collaboration.
No no, don't get me wrong. I like Sonic & the Secret Rings, largely due the the fact the control was simple. I mean, If Sonic 06's controls were stable, I probably would forgive it alot more. But getting game over on the first stage several times because of shoody controls just puts a notch of distain into a game, you know?
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 31, 2008, 03:20:04 PM
One bad Sonic game? :DxDie
:| = Average.
:-& = Sucks.
List of bad Sonic games:
Sonic 3D Blast(:-&)
Sonic R(:-&)
Sonic Riders series(:-&)
Sonic Heroes(:-&)
Sonic Adventure(bad voice acting :|).
Sonic Shuffle(:-&).
Sonic Fighters(:-&).
Sonic Rivals series(:-&)
Sonic Secret of the Rings(:|)
Billy Hatcher(:-&) <-Yeah it counts.
Shadow The Hedgehog(:-&).
Sonic The Hedgehog 06(:-&).
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games(:|) <-Olympics wow.
In a few months "Sonic Unleashed", will be on that list.
Sega should just end the Sonic Series, or his legacy will be ruined.
Oh opinions galore! A lot of those games were awesome for it's time.
-Sonic 3D blast was decent, but not bad.
-Sonic R was awesome for it's time and most fans would agree.
-Sonic Riders, I haven't played it yet but people said Zero Gravity was good.
-Sonic Heroes was decent as I said before, and it's fun.
-Sonic Adventure is awesome, nuff said.
-Sonic Shuffle, it's another side game like most of these games you're mentioning.
-Sonic Fighters was awesome for it's time and most fans would agree.
-Sonic Rivals... I haven't played it yet because i'm not a fan of the PSP.
-Sonic and the Secret Rings was awesome, a good amount would agree. It was successful in sales and had mixed reviews (majority being pretty good).
-Billy Hatcher doesn't count, it's not a Sonic game.
-Shadow it NOT a Sonic game, it's a Shadow game. You don't play as Sonic, it's just in the Sonic universe is all. Just like Knuckles Chatoix, it's a Knuckles game.
-Sonic 06 was bad.
-Mario & Sonic at the Olympics was successful in sales, nuff said. I haven't played it though.
And just so you all know Unleashed is being devleoped by Sega Japan, USA, and Europe. It's going to be amazing. So NO it will NOT be on that list... maybe on yours but no everyone's.
Post by: RiceTheZilla on March 31, 2008, 03:31:02 PM
Getting gameover is the worst, it loads for like 2 mins, goes to the title screen, loads, when you get the stage, it loads again.
Sonic & the Secret Rings is okay, but isn't memorable.
It doesn't recover, the damage that has been done to Sonic TH.
Guy above:
Every sonic game is good in sales, people(like me) think the game will be decent, but, no. 8=| Sonic Adventure was good for it's time..now it's so bad, it's funny.
Sales don't make the game good, Sonic & Mario fails, for a SEGA X Nintendo, For the first time ever a crossover game featuring both Sonic and Mario. Sega chooses olympics..
(http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6505/opb053editcur0060ws7.png)
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on March 31, 2008, 03:40:15 PM
Sonic 3D was gay. No speed, bad hit detection, lame all-around.
Sonic R's controls I flat out hate, late detection and highly unresponsive. I beat it strictly because it was a Sonic game and moved on.
(Side note: Sonic 3D and R are by the same people.)
Sonic Riders is a solid and neat racing game.
With Sonic Heroes, some levels just seem too long and tedious but good all around.
With the Adventure series, I think it comes down to treasure hunting, either you hate it or you don't. I got stuck on SA2 because of stupid treasure hunting. Other than that, no complaints.
Sonic Shuffle, it's a puzzle game. If you're into that kinda thing, more power to you. Me, not so much.
Sonic Rivals, good-old side scrolling action, but you're racing. A good experience, much more so in multi-play.
Sonic & Secret Rings, best Next-Gen Sonic yet, although technically speaking, that's not saying much.
Shadow, you played it because you wanted to know WHO HE IS. It's broken, but still good.
Sonic 06'... We'll not go there.
Sonic Unleashed, I'm digging the old school gameplay and shortened character list, but the Wolf-Sonic... the story better turn up something interesting to pull something like that off.
But perhaps the biggest contraversy here is a title that I don't think anyone here has mentioned yet is "Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood".
What I wanna know is how do you translate Sonic into RPG? I mean really, WTF? Mega Man X tried that, but Sonic and Mega Man are men of action, turn-based combat does not befit them. Then again, it is Bioware after all so...
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 31, 2008, 03:43:55 PM
Guy above:
Every sonic game is good in sales, people(like me) think the game will be decent, but, no. 8=| Sonic Adventure was good for it's time..now it's so bad, it's funny.
Sales don't make the game good, Sonic & Mario fails, for a SEGA X Nintendo, For the first time ever a crossover game featuring both Sonic and Mario. Sega chooses olympics..
(http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6505/opb053editcur0060ws7.png)
Yeah it's just you. Everyone who loved Sonic Adventure still loves it.
Mario and Sonic got mixed reviews, it's a love it or hate it kind of game. As for Sega picking an olympics styled game... they weren't the only ones making decisions for what type of game it was going to be. Nintendo was in on it too.
But perhaps the biggest contraversy here is a title that I don't think anyone here has mentioned yet is "Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood".
What I wanna know is how do you translate Sonic into RPG? I mean really, WTF? Mega Man X tried that, but Sonic and Mega Man are men of action, turn-based combat does not befit them. Then again, it is Bioware after all so.
It's being developed by Bioware, it's got to be good. I despise RPG's but i'm picking it up because of the fanboy I am.
Post by: RiceTheZilla on March 31, 2008, 03:46:39 PM
Forgot about that...That game will own, Too bad it's for a handheld system.. :-??
But the graphics are...horrible.
(http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/852/852764/sonic-chronicles-the-dark-brotherhood-20080215032504312_640w.jpg)
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 31, 2008, 03:58:32 PM
"Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood".
Forgot about that...That game will own, Too bad it's for a handheld system.. :-??
But the graphics are...horrible.
(http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/852/852764/sonic-chronicles-the-dark-brotherhood-20080215032504312_640w.jpg)
Gameplay > Graphics
Oh and yeah, I like to rock all the balls to sonic music, is that so wrong? "All of me", "His World", "Seven Ring in Hand", "The Chosen One", "All Hail Shadow", "Almost Dead", "Live & Learn", "What I'm Made Of", "Catch Me If You Can", good stuff man, good stuff.
You forgot "Open Your Heart", one of the best Sonic tracks from the 3D games (Live & Learn being the best ofcourse).
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on March 31, 2008, 04:05:56 PM
Oh and yeah, I like to rock all the balls to sonic music, is that so wrong? "All of me", "His World", "Seven Ring in Hand", "The Chosen One", "All Hail Shadow", "Almost Dead", "Live & Learn", "What I'm Made Of", "Catch Me If You Can", good stuff man, good stuff.
You forgot "Open Your Heart", one of the best Sonic tracks from the 3D games (Live & Learn being the best ofcourse).
Oh no, I didn't forget it. I... I'm not really big on "Open Your Heart". It's really comes down to the lack of rythme and the structure of the lyrics. Not a bad song by any means, but it feels like the lyrics are translated into English instead of written in it.
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 31, 2008, 04:43:29 PM
One bad Sonic game? :DxDieFixed.
:| = Average.
:-& = Sucks.
List of bad Sonic games:
Sonic 3D Blast(:-&)
Sonic R(:-&)
Sonic Riders series(:-&)
Sonic Heroes(:-&)
Sonic Adventure ( :-& )
Sonic Adventure 2 ( :-& )
Sonic Shuffle(:-&).
Sonic Fighters(:-&).
Sonic Rivals series(:-&)
Sonic Secret of the Rings( :-& )
Billy Hatcher(:-&) <-Yeah it counts.
Shadow The Hedgehog(:-&).
Sonic The Hedgehog 06(:-&).
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games( :-& )
In a few months "Sonic Unleashed", will be on that list.
Sega should just end the Sonic Series, or his legacy will be ruined.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on March 31, 2008, 05:52:11 PM
Post by: The Notic on March 31, 2008, 06:02:45 PM
Post by: RiceTheZilla on March 31, 2008, 06:22:40 PM
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 31, 2008, 06:31:41 PM
Am I the only one here who likes Chao, sonic was good up until they stoped puting in chao, sonic adventure 2 battle is the best sonic game, imo, that and the old 2D games! BRING BACK THE CHAO!
Although the chao are awesome and cute, I can live without them.
Fixed.
Yeah, for your opinion. I'm going by reviews and such.
Post by: Legend Inc. on March 31, 2008, 06:53:54 PM
the sonic the hedgehog comic series...
THEY MADE HIM MARRY A SQUIRREL FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 31, 2008, 07:25:43 PM
See, that just hating cause Sonic stacks paper to the ceiling and get more Bi***es then you do. :D :DxDieNo. I've been waiting for a real Sonic The Hedgehog game since after the release of Sonic & Knuckles.... All games have failed to live up to the games.
Every game after Sonic & Knuckles felt like Sonic4dummies. Or some really easy toddler version of Sonic The Hedgehog. If any of the newer Sonic games are difficult, it's only because of glitches or the 3 dimensions, the rail grind system in SA2 made me want to take each member of the Sonic Team and rail grind their heads until they get a concussion.
Sonic Advance 1 was ok, but it still was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to easy. The level designs don't even come close to any of the older games. Sonic Advance 2 was even easier, but the fact that you're running when fighting all the bosses was annoying. I miss the good ol' bosses that required you to jump on platforms to hit them.
The thing is, I'm waiting for a Sonic The Hedgehog 4, or Sonic & Knuckles 2.
Not Sonic Advance, not Sonic Adventure, not any of the new crappy Sonic games that looks and plays like they been made by 4kids.
I still have a harder time beating the older Sonic games then I have any of the newer Sonic games. If I see Rouge, Shadow, or any of the new characters that have appeared since Sonic Adventure, I'm not playing Sonic Unleashed.
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 31, 2008, 07:45:43 PM
the rail grind system in SA2 made me want to take each member of the Sonic Team and rail grind their heads until they get a concussion.
I keep reading this from you and i've just come to a conclusion that you just suck at grinding. :P *lol*
The rest of your post is your thoughts on the games, so no sense in arguing over opinions. :P
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 31, 2008, 08:20:17 PM
No. Seriously. I was straight in front of the rail. So I jumped, and I hit did jump dash. Instead of attaching to the rail, I go 3 inches off and die... If it was in 2d there wouldn't be any 3 inches. Then there was this one time I was stuck in a rail loop on that Sonic Level, and the camera was being at it's worst so I could only jump dash off the rail and die, and there was no way I could get out of it other then dying. It's funny though how the air attack works on enemies and those spring bumpers, but not the rails. The rails are probably more broken then Nightmare SSJ3 in mugen. It's pretty sad when a minor platforming mechanic is a hell of a lot harder then any of the bosses in the same game. In fact, rail grinding is the only thing in Sonic Adventure 2 that has ever used up all my lives and give me a game over. Where as in the older Sonic games, the boss fights were the hard parts. In the newer games, the boss fights are very easier.the rail grind system in SA2 made me want to take each member of the Sonic Team and rail grind their heads until they get a concussion.
I keep reading this from you and i've just come to a conclusion that you just suck at grinding. :P *lol*
The rest of your post is your thoughts on the games, so no sense in arguing over opinions. :P
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on April 01, 2008, 12:09:36 AM
the rail grind system in SA2 made me want to take each member of the Sonic Team and rail grind their heads until they get a concussion.
I keep reading this from you and i've just come to a conclusion that you just suck at grinding. :P *lol*
I think I have to agree with Teros on that one. I'm an average player, but I can count on one hand how many times I've died from a missed grind. I've fallen off while grinding alot, but that's just cause I was trying to hard to keep balanced. I think SA2 just doesn't like you.
Besides, can't blam Sonic Team for the rails in SA2, blame Sega Studios USA. You CAN however blame them for the rails in Sonic 06'. Now those are some bad rails.
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on April 01, 2008, 12:22:20 AM
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on April 03, 2008, 12:51:25 PM
I saw a video of it in Gametrailers and it basically looks the exact same as what happened to me.the rail grind system in SA2 made me want to take each member of the Sonic Team and rail grind their heads until they get a concussion.
I keep reading this from you and i've just come to a conclusion that you just suck at grinding. :P *lol*
I think I have to agree with Teros on that one. I'm an average player, but I can count on one hand how many times I've died from a missed grind. I've fallen off while grinding alot, but that's just cause I was trying to hard to keep balanced. I think SA2 just doesn't like you.
Besides, can't blame Sonic Team for the rails in SA2, blame Sega Studios USA. You CAN however blame them for the rails in Sonic 06'. Now those are some bad rails.
Although the one thing I really hated about SA2, was the Tails/Robotnik mech missions.
I mean, Robotnik should feel like you're playing as a boss character. Not some retarded miniature bipedal mech.
The thing that really made me hate Sonic Adventure 1, was Bigg's missions.
Sonic+Fishing=major suckage.
One thing I did like about Sonic Adventure 2 though, Bigg got ran over by that Truck on Sonic's first level. :D
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on April 06, 2008, 09:18:36 PM
Post by: daniel13789 on April 07, 2008, 11:10:14 AM
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on April 08, 2008, 03:12:45 PM
Look.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32170.html
At first I thought the 3d part might be it's downfall, then I remembered in Sonic 2, there was the chaos stages which were a lot like the 3d parts in Sonic Unleashed.
I just hope the werewolf part doesn't change the game too much.
Post by: The Notic on April 10, 2008, 04:54:04 AM
Post by: MuηkyMØÜf on April 10, 2008, 10:31:29 AM
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(http://www.racketboy.com/images/sonic2-cover.jpg)(http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/sonic3box.jpg)(http://www.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/10/B000035XKJ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)(http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/gc/shadowthehedgehog/boxart.jpg)
Post by: daniel13789 on April 10, 2008, 03:36:04 PM
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on April 10, 2008, 04:55:59 PM
Hey guys do you think Shadow will be in the new Sonic game!?
I don't think so. From what I've gathered on Unleashed, they're sticking with the classic three: Sonic, Tails, Knuckles. That might also explain the more classic look he's got.
EDIT: OH SNAP, take that Sonic 06' and Secret Rings! Sega has denounced your Canon!
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/09/sonic-unleashed-reboots-series-ignores-last-two-games/
Post by: MuηkyMØÜf on April 10, 2008, 05:03:26 PM
:w00t:
(http://www.nightswitch.com/sonic/super_sonic.jpg)
(http://www.nightswitch.com/sonic/super_sonic.jpg)
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on April 10, 2008, 05:08:22 PM
"Sonic the Hedgehog returns for a full-blown, action-packed adventure through the desolate and unpredictable World of Mubuz, a world dictated by an evil Dragon Lord, Immarius. Upon entering Muboz, Sonic fights an evil power which turns all the inhabitants into dangerous beasts.
- Become Wolf Sonic and fight enemies like never before using rapid combo maneuvers and Ring Energy
- Play as Sonic, Knuckles or Tails through 12 packed stages
- Extensive 2D gameplay brings the old Sonic back home"
I think this alone will make VKM a little happier.
Post by: MuηkyMØÜf on April 10, 2008, 05:16:50 PM
(http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/media/2008/03/1299.jpg?=6225)
- Become Wolf Sonic and fight enemies like never before using rapid combo maneuvers and Ring Energy
:o @^@
Post by: Gold_TSG on April 10, 2008, 05:17:16 PM
Post by: The Notic on April 10, 2008, 05:40:13 PM
They call this SA3 yet it only has Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles! It sounds fun but I want Shadow and Chao damit!
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on April 10, 2008, 09:31:31 PM
Post by: Cyclysm on April 10, 2008, 10:17:17 PM
because I think Sonic F*cking Pwns
(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2996/sonicgy9.png)
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on April 11, 2008, 12:10:28 PM
I'm seeing too much hate for Sonic Team USA from G Lux in here. Why's that?
No no, The New Sonic Team (after the Sega-Sammy merger) overseas made Sonic 06' and Secret rings. Like I said before, I liked secret rings, but 0' was wrong in so many ways. I got nothing against Sonic Heroes or Shadow, and I like SA2.
I'm just glad they realized what they did wrong. It seems that part of Sonic Unleased will have control elements similar to that of Secret Rings, so they're craping what failed and keeping what worked. And the simplicity of character selection keeps the game consistant, instead of blowing through levels, then having to hunt for crap (getting stuck on these levels), then blowing up stuff, rinse, wash, repeat.
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on April 11, 2008, 01:14:14 PM
Although I haven't even seen any confirmation of Knux and Tails by Sega, so I have no validity of my theory.
Post by: daniel13789 on April 11, 2008, 04:39:01 PM
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on April 11, 2008, 07:35:41 PM
I think this is going to take place in between Sonic & Knux and Sonic Adventure because of having the old 3, which would explain the 2d-3d gameplay.
Although I haven't even seen any confirmation of Knux and Tails by Sega, so I have no validity of my theory.
Dude, they've already comfirmed Knuckles and Tails.
I just snagged this a few minutes ago from xbox360fanboy.com. Looks like I was right about the Character selection. It's from Sega Europe internet press release:
"Sonic the Hedgehog returns for a full-blown, action-packed adventure through the desolate and unpredictable World of Mubuz, a world dictated by an evil Dragon Lord, Immarius. Upon entering Muboz, Sonic fights an evil power which turns all the inhabitants into dangerous beasts.
- Become Wolf Sonic and fight enemies like never before using rapid combo maneuvers and Ring Energy
- Play as Sonic, Knuckles or Tails through 12 packed stages
- Extensive 2D gameplay brings the old Sonic back home"
I think this alone will make VKM a little happier.
That was SUPPOSED to make you a little happier damnit! :D
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on April 11, 2008, 11:30:41 PM
I'm seeing too much hate for Sonic Team USA from G Lux in here. Why's that?
No no, The New Sonic Team (after the Sega-Sammy merger) overseas made Sonic 06' and Secret rings. Like I said before, I liked secret rings, but 0' was wrong in so many ways. I got nothing against Sonic Heroes or Shadow, and I like SA2.
I'm just glad they realized what they did wrong. It seems that part of Sonic Unleased will have control elements similar to that of Secret Rings, so they're craping what failed and keeping what worked. And the simplicity of character selection keeps the game consistant, instead of blowing through levels, then having to hunt for crap (getting stuck on these levels), then blowing up stuff, rinse, wash, repeat.
I see. Good to hear. I hated 06 too. Although, the whole Canon thing you posted a while back would only apply to 06, since Secret Rings was just a spinoff. (I've actually been to Sega HQ USA before, and it's really nice over there.)
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on April 13, 2008, 11:12:11 PM
I think this is going to take place in between Sonic & Knux and Sonic Adventure because of having the old 3, which would explain the 2d-3d gameplay.
Although I haven't even seen any confirmation of Knux and Tails by Sega, so I have no validity of my theory.
Dude, they've already comfirmed Knuckles and Tails.I just snagged this a few minutes ago from xbox360fanboy.com. Looks like I was right about the Character selection. It's from Sega Europe internet press release:
"Sonic the Hedgehog returns for a full-blown, action-packed adventure through the desolate and unpredictable World of Mubuz, a world dictated by an evil Dragon Lord, Immarius. Upon entering Muboz, Sonic fights an evil power which turns all the inhabitants into dangerous beasts.
- Become Wolf Sonic and fight enemies like never before using rapid combo maneuvers and Ring Energy
- Play as Sonic, Knuckles or Tails through 12 packed stages
- Extensive 2D gameplay brings the old Sonic back home"
I think this alone will make VKM a little happier.
That was SUPPOSED to make you a little happier damnit! :D
lol. Forgive me. I've only seen screenshots of Sonic, Super Sonic, and Dr. Robotnik. Although I am happy they're bringing back 2d gameplay. I just hope they don't mess it up with the wolf sonic thing and slow down the pace like they did with Silver, and I'm also hoping Tails is mechless. Although if Wolf Sonic is faster, and more powerful (kind of like the Jak/Dark Jak thing in Jak 2), then I'm all for it.
Post by: Whoblehwah on April 14, 2008, 03:58:06 PM
In a few months "Sonic Unleashed", will be on that list.
Sega should just end the Sonic Series, or his legacy will be ruined.
Agree'd. The original games are classed, the "advanced" series was really good, the "adventure series" was ok, but then it just went realy downhill. They should just give it up and come up with something new. Same goes for the Crash Bandicoot series, lol.
Post by: BigJ on April 14, 2008, 04:58:39 PM
In a few months "Sonic Unleashed", will be on that list.
Sega should just end the Sonic Series, or his legacy will be ruined.
Agree'd. The original games are classed, the "advanced" series was really good, the "adventure series" was ok, but then it just went realy downhill. They should just give it up and come up with something new. Same goes for the Crash Bandicoot series, lol.
Lol, the Crash series was really good up until 3. Hell I even liked Crash Team Racing. After that it just got boring.
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on April 14, 2008, 06:21:59 PM
It's funny you say that because I didn't like the first one and loved 3 the best.In a few months "Sonic Unleashed", will be on that list.
Sega should just end the Sonic Series, or his legacy will be ruined.
Agree'd. The original games are classed, the "advanced" series was really good, the "adventure series" was ok, but then it just went realy downhill. They should just give it up and come up with something new. Same goes for the Crash Bandicoot series, lol.
Lol, the Crash series was really good up until 3. Hell I even liked Crash Team Racing. After that it just got boring.
Post by: BigJ on April 14, 2008, 06:26:10 PM
It's funny you say that because I didn't like the first one and loved 3 the best.In a few months "Sonic Unleashed", will be on that list.
Sega should just end the Sonic Series, or his legacy will be ruined.
Agree'd. The original games are classed, the "advanced" series was really good, the "adventure series" was ok, but then it just went realy downhill. They should just give it up and come up with something new. Same goes for the Crash Bandicoot series, lol.
Lol, the Crash series was really good up until 3. Hell I even liked Crash Team Racing. After that it just got boring.
Well yeah, 3 was obviously the best. Part 1 was just straight platforming. It was still good though IMO. A real challenge too, unlike 2 and 3.
Post by: Whoblehwah on April 14, 2008, 06:32:41 PM
It's funny you say that because I didn't like the first one and loved 3 the best.In a few months "Sonic Unleashed", will be on that list.
Sega should just end the Sonic Series, or his legacy will be ruined.
Agree'd. The original games are classed, the "advanced" series was really good, the "adventure series" was ok, but then it just went realy downhill. They should just give it up and come up with something new. Same goes for the Crash Bandicoot series, lol.
Lol, the Crash series was really good up until 3. Hell I even liked Crash Team Racing. After that it just got boring.
Well yeah, 3 was obviously the best. Part 1 was just straight platforming. It was still good though IMO. A real challenge too, unlike 2 and 3.
I've never played part 1. 2, 3, and CTR were fun though. I'm surprised Sonic doesnt have a racing game yet, lol.
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on April 14, 2008, 06:40:22 PM
surprised Sonic doesnt have a racing game yet, lol.It's funny you say that because I didn't like the first one and loved 3 the best.In a few months "Sonic Unleashed", will be on that list.
Sega should just end the Sonic Series, or his legacy will be ruined.
Agree'd. The original games are classed, the "advanced" series was really good, the "adventure series" was ok, but then it just went realy downhill. They should just give it up and come up with something new. Same goes for the Crash Bandicoot series, lol.
Lol, the Crash series was really good up until 3. Hell I even liked Crash Team Racing. After that it just got boring.
Well yeah, 3 was obviously the best. Part 1 was just straight platforming. It was still good though IMO. A real challenge too, unlike 2 and 3.
Sonic Drift
Sonic Drift 2
Sonic R
Sonic Riders
Post by: BigJ on April 14, 2008, 06:41:29 PM
surprised Sonic doesnt have a racing game yet, lol.It's funny you say that because I didn't like the first one and loved 3 the best.In a few months "Sonic Unleashed", will be on that list.
Sega should just end the Sonic Series, or his legacy will be ruined.
Agree'd. The original games are classed, the "advanced" series was really good, the "adventure series" was ok, but then it just went realy downhill. They should just give it up and come up with something new. Same goes for the Crash Bandicoot series, lol.
Lol, the Crash series was really good up until 3. Hell I even liked Crash Team Racing. After that it just got boring.
Well yeah, 3 was obviously the best. Part 1 was just straight platforming. It was still good though IMO. A real challenge too, unlike 2 and 3.
:D
Post by: The Notic on April 14, 2008, 08:39:17 PM
surprised Sonic doesnt have a racing game yet, lol.It's funny you say that because I didn't like the first one and loved 3 the best.In a few months "Sonic Unleashed", will be on that list.
Sega should just end the Sonic Series, or his legacy will be ruined.
Agree'd. The original games are classed, the "advanced" series was really good, the "adventure series" was ok, but then it just went realy downhill. They should just give it up and come up with something new. Same goes for the Crash Bandicoot series, lol.
Lol, the Crash series was really good up until 3. Hell I even liked Crash Team Racing. After that it just got boring.
Well yeah, 3 was obviously the best. Part 1 was just straight platforming. It was still good though IMO. A real challenge too, unlike 2 and 3.
:D
I actually saw the whole thing! @-) LOL! I used to own in that game, I loved Metal Knuckles! :D
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on April 14, 2008, 11:10:41 PM
lol. I used to own the game too. It was part of some package they had a long time ago for the pc. One of them came with some bad@ss Sonic vs Metal Sonic wallpapers. Although I could never get Sonic CD to work on my computer because it wasn't supported.surprised Sonic doesnt have a racing game yet, lol.It's funny you say that because I didn't like the first one and loved 3 the best.In a few months "Sonic Unleashed", will be on that list.
Sega should just end the Sonic Series, or his legacy will be ruined.
Agree'd. The original games are classed, the "advanced" series was really good, the "adventure series" was ok, but then it just went realy downhill. They should just give it up and come up with something new. Same goes for the Crash Bandicoot series, lol.
Lol, the Crash series was really good up until 3. Hell I even liked Crash Team Racing. After that it just got boring.
Well yeah, 3 was obviously the best. Part 1 was just straight platforming. It was still good though IMO. A real challenge too, unlike 2 and 3.
:D
I actually saw the whole thing! @-) LOL! I used to own in that game, I loved Metal Knuckles! :D
Post by: Tenspeed on April 14, 2008, 11:26:05 PM
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on April 15, 2008, 05:28:06 PM
It's funny you say that because I didn't like the first one and loved 3 the best.In a few months "Sonic Unleashed", will be on that list.
Sega should just end the Sonic Series, or his legacy will be ruined.
Agree'd. The original games are classed, the "advanced" series was really good, the "adventure series" was ok, but then it just went realy downhill. They should just give it up and come up with something new. Same goes for the Crash Bandicoot series, lol.
Lol, the Crash series was really good up until 3. Hell I even liked Crash Team Racing. After that it just got boring.
Well yeah, 3 was obviously the best. Part 1 was just straight platforming. It was still good though IMO. A real challenge too, unlike 2 and 3.
I've never played part 1. 2, 3, and CTR were fun though. I'm surprised Sonic doesnt have a racing game yet, lol.
Wow, wobble. You just got served.