Post by: animugen on March 24, 2008, 10:39:11 PM
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8426/cloudbo8.th.png) (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cloudbo8.png)
or
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2979/linkcn1.th.jpg) (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=linkcn1.jpg)
Link
Me I'm undecided.So I don't know what to say.So who do you think would win? :-??
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on March 24, 2008, 10:52:51 PM
Post by: ★Leon★ on March 24, 2008, 10:54:28 PM
anyway...Squall pwn them both :D
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on March 24, 2008, 11:01:50 PM
^SQUALLLLLLLLL! ties with Link at first, but ultimately wins just for being so damn pretty.
Post by: animugen on March 24, 2008, 11:08:22 PM
Post by: BigJ on March 24, 2008, 11:44:43 PM
I choose Link since he was in the better game. (intentional flame bait)
^SQUALLLLLLLLL! ties with Link at first, but ultimately wins just for being so damn pretty.
OMFG FF7 PWNS BEST GAME EVER WTF LInK IS GAY
:-"
Post by: Mugendude26 on March 24, 2008, 11:48:23 PM
Post by: animugen on March 24, 2008, 11:50:47 PM
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on March 25, 2008, 12:01:22 AM
I choose Link since he was in the better game. (intentional flame bait)
^SQUALLLLLLLLL! ties with Link at first, but ultimately wins just for being so damn pretty.
OMFG FF7 PWNS BEST GAME EVER WTF LInK IS GAY
:-"
:DxDie
Post by: Rage on March 25, 2008, 01:01:37 AM
What dumb@butt would pit pit Link aginst Cloud. Cloud would F@#% Link up.
Post by: animugen on March 25, 2008, 01:02:35 AM
Here come an insult: [-X
What dumb@@$$ would pit pit Link aginst Cloud. Cloud would F@#% Link up.
I'm that Dumb@$$ :P
Post by: Gigan X3 on March 25, 2008, 01:40:09 AM
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 25, 2008, 09:56:43 AM
Post by: animugen on March 25, 2008, 12:03:22 PM
Cloud. Simply because, even if he dies, Aeris can kick him out the lifestream.
^^(PM)^
Good Point.Let's not forget Link can use the Triforce.lol :D
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 25, 2008, 12:20:22 PM
and Cloud can use ominslash.Cloud. Simply because, even if he dies, Aeris can kick him out the lifestream.
^^(PM)^
Good Point.Let's not forget Link can use the Triforce.lol :D
lol. The Triforce slash oddly reminded me of the original Omnislash when I first saw it.
Triforce Slash - 2008
Omnislash - 1997 (11 years earlier... wow)
Upgraded Omnislash - 2006 (Cloud much like Link is glowing this time)
Parody that proves my point... - 2007
Now for accomplishments:
Link has stopped Ganon and other mad men from ruling the world many times.
Cloud has stopped Sephiroth (who has god-like power) from destroying the world 2 times.
As for Majora's mask. ... it wouldn't really count because he needed four giants to stop Majora's moon from crashing into the planet. Without the giants... ouchies...
Also I think Sephiroth's meteor might be bigger then Majora's moon. I don't know... but I do know that Cloud didn't need 4 giants to stop Sephiroth's meteor. :D
Edit: Woah, I just noticed Ike's Final Smash "Great Aether" rips a bit off of Squalls last limit break "Lionhart"
:o
Post by: The Notic on March 25, 2008, 01:10:29 PM
Edit: The only FF characters I like are those 3 chicks, or was it only 2? Anyways, them and Tifa!
Post by: animugen on March 25, 2008, 01:15:09 PM
Link would own him, there's been rumors around that he's a girl though, lol! The only reason I picked Link is becouse the Zelda games are more creative, they're always coming up with new exciting things, and the details and artwork is amazing, Ganondorf looks f**k** sweet! "Final" Fantasy, final my @$$, how many "Final" fantasy's has there been!!! The only good one was 7, but even that was pretty gay, the characters are all pretty generic and uninspiring! And as far as the Omnislash goes, it looks more like Ike's Great Aether!
LOL :D
Post by: Rage on March 25, 2008, 02:08:20 PM
Post by: The Notic on March 25, 2008, 02:20:30 PM
Kid Daigo this name i shall rememeber 4 ur crimes against final fantasy. [-X It will sit in the deepest bowls of my heart and there it shall burn >:D with the intencity of hell 4ever \-/o >o:-(
LOL! you sure said a whole lot of nothing! ;D
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 25, 2008, 02:23:33 PM
Link would own him, there's been rumors around that he's a girl though, lol! The only reason I picked Link is becouse the Zelda games are more creative, they're always coming up with new exciting things, and the details and artwork is amazing, Ganondorf looks f**k** sweet! "Final" Fantasy, final my @$$, how many "Final" fantasy's has there been!!! The only good one was 7, but even that was pretty gay, the characters are all pretty generic and uninspiring! And as far as the Omnislash goes, it looks more like Ike's Great Aether!Dude. We're talking about straight up which character would own. Not which game series is more fun, or detailed.
Edit: The only FF characters I like are those 3 chicks, or was it only 2? Anyways, them and Tifa!
Another thing is... Link needs a hookshot/clawshot/somethingthatendswiththewordshot. According to Advent Children, Cloud can freaking fly. He jumps scyscrapers in one massive leap, and lands like a feather.
Link... He just shots his way up, and if he's too high, he gets hurt when he falls. :D
Post by: Rage on March 25, 2008, 02:33:22 PM
Kid Daigo this name i shall rememeber 4 ur crimes against final fantasy. [-X It will sit in the deepest bowls of my heart and there it shall burn >:D with the intencity of hell 4ever \-/o >o:-(
LOL! you sure said a whole lot of nothing! ;D
Oh Rage is sorry ur na'n but a kid still wet behind ur ears u would no a good game if it was Stapled on ur lunch box. U cant talk bout FF how old where u when FF7 droped bout 4 :DxDie.
here u go
Edit: What a way to bring in my 300th posting with grace that only Rage can give >:D
On Topic:
When it comes down to abilities Cloud clearly outs Link. Im no Link hater, i love him but Cloud my homeboy and im a peacher of the truth and it clear who's blade is mightist.
Even if u strip them of the abitilies Cloud can still talk down mountains. Link and those Skyscrapers . . . . sorry just not cutting it :(
I talk 2 much :-@
Post by: animugen on March 25, 2008, 03:04:08 PM
Kid Daigo this name i shall rememeber 4 ur crimes against final fantasy. [-X It will sit in the deepest bowls of my heart and there it shall burn >:D with the intencity of hell 4ever \-/o >o:-(
LOL! you sure said a whole lot of nothing! ;D
Oh Rage is sorry ur na'n but a kid still wet behind ur ears u would no a good game if it was Stapled on ur lunch box. U cant talk bout FF how old where u when FF7 droped bout 4 :DxDie.
here u gomy friendlil boy >:D: (http://i31.tinypic.com/nwe99k.jpg)
Edit: What a way to bring in my 300th posting with grace that only Rage can give >:D
On Topic:
When it comes down to abilities Cloud clearly outs Link. Im no Link hater, i love him but Cloud my homeboy and im a peacher of the truth and it clear who's blade is mightist.
Even if u strip them of the abitilies Cloud can still talk down mountains. Link and those Skyscrapers . . . . sorry just not cutting it :(
I talk 2 much :-@
Kid Daigo was 4 when FFVII came out.
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on March 25, 2008, 03:17:33 PM
Post by: The Great Matsutzu on March 25, 2008, 03:38:13 PM
Edit: The only FF characters I like are those 3 chicks, or was it only 2? Anyways, them and Tifa!
I take it you're referring to Aerith/Aeris, Tifa and Yuffie? Or, are we referring to another game other than 7?
Aeris (as I first knew her :P) is my favorite female video game character of all time.
Personally, Link vs. Cloud is really, really difficult to call, mostly because their abilities seem to grow and change from each new title they're in.
I agree with VKM though.. it is amazing how much Link's FS in Brawl looks like Cloud's Omnislash.
Maybe they've been sparring together, teaching eachother new tricks? In that case, both wins (Hmm.. Friendship over Fatality!!) :D
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 25, 2008, 03:39:39 PM
Friendship? Again?Edit: The only FF characters I like are those 3 chicks, or was it only 2? Anyways, them and Tifa!
I take it you're referring to Aerith/Aeris, Tifa and Yuffie? Or, are we referring to another game other than 7?
Aeris (as I first knew her :P) is my favorite female video game character of all time.
Personally, Link vs. Cloud is really, really difficult to call, mostly because their abilities seem to grow and change from each new title they're in.
I agree with VKM though.. it is amazing how much Link's FS in Brawl looks like Cloud's Omnislash.
Maybe they've been sparring together, teaching eachother new tricks? In that case, both wins (Hmm.. Friendship over Fatality!!) :D
XD
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on March 25, 2008, 03:42:36 PM
Edit: The only FF characters I like are those 3 chicks, or was it only 2? Anyways, them and Tifa!
I take it you're referring to Aerith/Aeris, Tifa and Yuffie? Or, are we referring to another game other than 7?
Aeris (as I first knew her :P) is my favorite female video game character of all time.
Personally, Link vs. Cloud is really, really difficult to call, mostly because their abilities seem to grow and change from each new title they're in.
I agree with VKM though.. it is amazing how much Link's FS in Brawl looks like Cloud's Omnislash.
Maybe they've been sparring together, teaching eachother new tricks? In that case, both wins (Hmm.. Friendship over Fatality!!) :D
What's that? Kill them with friendship?
Post by: animugen on March 25, 2008, 03:58:11 PM
^That's what he just said, Animugen.
I didn't see it though.My bad :-[ :P
Post by: Rage on March 25, 2008, 04:33:26 PM
Kid Daigo was 4 when FFVII came out.
Yeah his profile says he's 15
Friendship? Again?Edit: The only FF characters I like are those 3 chicks, or was it only 2? Anyways, them and Tifa!
I take it you're referring to Aerith/Aeris, Tifa and Yuffie? Or, are we referring to another game other than 7?
Aeris (as I first knew her :P) is my favorite female video game character of all time.
Personally, Link vs. Cloud is really, really difficult to call, mostly because their abilities seem to grow and change from each new title they're in.
I agree with VKM though.. it is amazing how much Link's FS in Brawl looks like Cloud's Omnislash.
Maybe they've been sparring together, teaching eachother new tricks? In that case, both wins (Hmm.. Friendship over Fatality!!) :D
XD
Yuffie I love Yuffie. Yuffie so sexy, Yuffie so cunning, Yuffie So Dame Deceptive. Yuffie u got me @-) :-[ ^:)^
On topic:
Now that I think bout it its a good fight on these condisions: Strip them down to nothing but their swords. Now thats a fight
With there abilities Cloud would out power Link. If u no FF7 his abilities out flank Links.
In a bare bone battle the only thing that not fare is Clouds Natural abilities, (Enhanced straigh, and agility.)
But Link is a better Swordsman. Cloud seem to just swing that collosel blade around it just his soldier training that makes him uniformed.
Bare bone they are EQUALS :-j
Post by: animugen on March 25, 2008, 04:53:19 PM
That be an awesome battle.
Post by: Rage on March 25, 2008, 05:08:45 PM
How about just a sword battle between the two?Or maybe a battle with their Swords Clouds abilities and items and Link's Abilities and Equipment?
That be an awesome battle.
That what i meant by BareBone just swords nothing else :thumbsup:
Post by: animugen on March 25, 2008, 06:28:30 PM
How about just a sword battle between the two?Or maybe a battle with their Swords Clouds abilities and items and Link's Abilities and Equipment?
That be an awesome battle.
That what i meant by BareBone just swords nothing else :thumbsup:
Yeah but let Link keep his shield seeing that Cloud's Sword has more strength.
Post by: Rage on March 25, 2008, 06:59:45 PM
How about just a sword battle between the two?Or maybe a battle with their Swords Clouds abilities and items and Link's Abilities and Equipment?
That be an awesome battle.
That what i meant by BareBone just swords nothing else :thumbsup:
Yeah but let Link keep his shield seeing that Cloud's Sword has more strength.
Yep that would be the ultimate battle.
Post by: animugen on March 25, 2008, 07:17:24 PM
Post by: Rage on March 25, 2008, 07:43:49 PM
Post by: The Notic on March 25, 2008, 08:00:55 PM
NUTS!
Post by: animugen on March 25, 2008, 08:03:28 PM
Hey Animugen my bad bout the Dumb@ss comment earlier. :(
Apology Excepted. :thumbsup:
All I'm saying is that FF is crap! It's too damn overrated, Cloud can get a tast of dees....
NUTS!
I think you might be one of those ppl who aren't really into turn based RPGs?Am I correct?
Post by: Gigan X3 on March 25, 2008, 08:08:57 PM
Link would own him, there's been rumors around that he's a girl though, lol! The only reason I picked Link is becouse the Zelda games are more creative, they're always coming up with new exciting things, and the details and artwork is amazing, Ganondorf looks f**k** sweet! "Final" Fantasy, final my @$$, how many "Final" fantasy's has there been!!! The only good one was 7, but even that was pretty gay, the characters are all pretty generic and uninspiring! And as far as the Omnislash goes, it looks more like Ike's Great Aether!
Edit: The only FF characters I like are those 3 chicks, or was it only 2? Anyways, them and Tifa!
Make sense next time please. :|
Post by: The Notic on March 25, 2008, 08:28:25 PM
Link would own him, there's been rumors around that he's a girl though, lol! The only reason I picked Link is becouse the Zelda games are more creative, they're always coming up with new exciting things, and the details and artwork is amazing, Ganondorf looks f**k** sweet! "Final" Fantasy, final my @$$, how many "Final" fantasy's has there been!!! The only good one was 7, but even that was pretty gay, the characters are all pretty generic and uninspiring! And as far as the Omnislash goes, it looks more like Ike's Great Aether!
Edit: The only FF characters I like are those 3 chicks, or was it only 2? Anyways, them and Tifa!
Make sense next time please. :|
It made sense for other ppl to reply to it! Read it better next time! :|
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on March 25, 2008, 08:35:41 PM
Post by: animugen on March 25, 2008, 09:33:03 PM
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on March 25, 2008, 09:49:27 PM
Post by: animugen on March 25, 2008, 09:52:30 PM
^Some people would rather discuss the topic than vote. :)
Good Point ^^(PM)^
But I wish to see more votes though.
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 26, 2008, 01:25:08 AM
All I'm saying is that FF is crap! It's too damn overrated, Cloud can get a tast of dees....Well LoZ is a bit overrated too (I'm pretty sure Fire Emblem games don't even sell half as well as Zelda games), and it's not even a real rpg. It's an adventure game. Sure you can talk to villagers, but Link just about 100% of the time has no background story, no voice or anything. It just feels almost as if you're playing a robot, also almost all of his games consist of stopping a madman named Ganondorf from ruling the planet. Sometimes there will be a different villain like Majora, or Evil Link, but Ganondorf still tops them as the main villain of Zelda.
NUTS!
Due to comparisons of abilities in their titles. Cloud could put Link's robotic head in a trophy case.
Seriously. It's like your saying Spiderman would beat Superman just because the quality of the series, while ignoring the accomplishments and levels of power between the two heroes.
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 26, 2008, 02:24:13 AM
Well LoZ is a bit overrated too (I'm pretty sure Fire Emblem games don't even sell half as well as Zelda games), and it's not even a real rpg. It's an adventure game. Sure you can talk to villagers, but Link just about 100% of the time has no background story, no voice or anything. It just feels almost as if you're playing a robot, also almost all of his games consist of stopping a madman named Ganondorf from ruling the planet. Sometimes there will be a different villain like Majora, or Evil Link, but Ganondorf still tops them as the main villain of Zelda.
Due to comparisons of abilities in their titles. Cloud could put Link's robotic head in a trophy case.
Seriously. It's like your saying Spiderman would beat Superman just because the quality of the series, while ignoring the accomplishments and levels of power between the two heroes.
Zelda is not over-rated. Just because something gets excellent scores doesn't mean it's over-rated. Final Fantasy is a bit over-rated though when you think about it.
As for Link being a "robot"... no, just no. The Zelda games are supposed to make you feel like you're Link, that's why they don't have him talk and make you do your own thing. That's what I like about the Zelda games.
Anyways, I chose Link because in a sword to sword, no magic bull, Link would own.
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 26, 2008, 02:48:44 AM
Well If I was Link, I wouldn't save Hyrule. :P I'd move to another city and let Hyrule burn to the ground. Also Legend of Zelda has it's fanboys and fangirls. Trust me, I know a lot of them. I also know people that heard about Zelda and never played any of the games.Well LoZ is a bit overrated too (I'm pretty sure Fire Emblem games don't even sell half as well as Zelda games), and it's not even a real rpg. It's an adventure game. Sure you can talk to villagers, but Link just about 100% of the time has no background story, no voice or anything. It just feels almost as if you're playing a robot, also almost all of his games consist of stopping a madman named Ganondorf from ruling the planet. Sometimes there will be a different villain like Majora, or Evil Link, but Ganondorf still tops them as the main villain of Zelda.
Due to comparisons of abilities in their titles. Cloud could put Link's robotic head in a trophy case.
Seriously. It's like your saying Spiderman would beat Superman just because the quality of the series, while ignoring the accomplishments and levels of power between the two heroes.
Zelda is not over-rated. Just because something gets excellent scores doesn't mean it's over-rated. Final Fantasy is a bit over-rated though when you think about it.
As for Link being a "robot"... no, just no. The Zelda games are supposed to make you feel like you're Link, that's why they don't have him talk and make you do your own thing. That's what I like about the Zelda games.
Anyways, I chose Link because in a sword to sword, no magic bull, Link would own.
I bet if you said fire emblem to any of those people, they would have no clue what you're talking about. That's what it takes to not be overrated.
One more thing is, in Advent Children, Cloud can cut through scyscrapers. So I'd imagine Link's shield couldn't do anything against Clouds sword. In all words.
Cloud = Superman
Link = Spiderman.
FFVII's Planet = The entire planet
Hyrule = NYC.
Post by: Akeme on March 26, 2008, 04:38:04 AM
Exactly ;)Well If I was Link, I wouldn't save Hyrule. :P I'd move to another city and let Hyrule burn to the ground. Also Legend of Zelda has it's fanboys and fangirls. Trust me, I know a lot of them. I also know people that heard about Zelda and never played any of the games.Well LoZ is a bit overrated too (I'm pretty sure Fire Emblem games don't even sell half as well as Zelda games), and it's not even a real rpg. It's an adventure game. Sure you can talk to villagers, but Link just about 100% of the time has no background story, no voice or anything. It just feels almost as if you're playing a robot, also almost all of his games consist of stopping a madman named Ganondorf from ruling the planet. Sometimes there will be a different villain like Majora, or Evil Link, but Ganondorf still tops them as the main villain of Zelda.
Due to comparisons of abilities in their titles. Cloud could put Link's robotic head in a trophy case.
Seriously. It's like your saying Spiderman would beat Superman just because the quality of the series, while ignoring the accomplishments and levels of power between the two heroes.
Zelda is not over-rated. Just because something gets excellent scores doesn't mean it's over-rated. Final Fantasy is a bit over-rated though when you think about it.
As for Link being a "robot"... no, just no. The Zelda games are supposed to make you feel like you're Link, that's why they don't have him talk and make you do your own thing. That's what I like about the Zelda games.
Anyways, I chose Link because in a sword to sword, no magic bull, Link would own.
I bet if you said fire emblem to any of those people, they would have no clue what you're talking about. That's what it takes to not be overrated.
One more thing is, in Advent Children, Cloud can cut through scyscrapers. So I'd imagine Link's shield couldn't do anything against Clouds sword. In all words.
Cloud = Superman
Link = Spiderman.
FFVII's Planet = The entire planet
Hyrule = NYC.
Post by: Rage on March 26, 2008, 07:20:05 AM
I Argree with VKM. It good to c others c wat i c but. . . . . . . .
Post by: animugen on March 26, 2008, 08:30:14 AM
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 26, 2008, 11:59:21 AM
Well If I was Link, I wouldn't save Hyrule. :P I'd move to another city and let Hyrule burn to the ground. Also Legend of Zelda has it's fanboys and fangirls. Trust me, I know a lot of them. I also know people that heard about Zelda and never played any of the games.
I bet if you said fire emblem to any of those people, they would have no clue what you're talking about. That's what it takes to not be overrated.
One more thing is, in Advent Children, Cloud can cut through scyscrapers. So I'd imagine Link's shield couldn't do anything against Clouds sword. In all words.
Cloud = Superman
Link = Spiderman.
FFVII's Planet = The entire planet
Hyrule = NYC.
*lol* at letting it burn.
Just because people heard of Zelda and never played them doesn't mean it's overrated.
Overrated (by the majority of people) means bad quality getting too much praise and getting rated more than it's worth. Zelda doesn't fall into that category. I'll give an example when I answer in the next qoute. ;)
I'll admit, I never heard of Fire Emblem till I played Melee, but that's because I'm not a fan of RPGs.
Lastly, if Cloud = Superman, then he is the most boring superhero EVAR! :P
In my opinion I think there's no such thing as overrated.
Except for Halo.
Post by: Akeme on March 26, 2008, 12:06:58 PM
Post by: animugen on March 26, 2008, 01:37:02 PM
Post by: PBRTODD101 on March 26, 2008, 02:33:41 PM
Post by: Akeme on March 26, 2008, 02:59:15 PM
Link, DUH!What link, i mean i respect like and all but come on come on, think about cloud just has much more skill and is stronger ;)
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 26, 2008, 03:04:18 PM
Well for me Zelda is more overrated than Final Fantasy because Zelda had an american TV show. Final Fantasy never had an animated tv series outside Japan (Spirits Within doesn't count because without Hironobu Sakaguchi, and Moto Sakakibara, it simply wouldn't exist).Well If I was Link, I wouldn't save Hyrule. :P I'd move to another city and let Hyrule burn to the ground. Also Legend of Zelda has it's fanboys and fangirls. Trust me, I know a lot of them. I also know people that heard about Zelda and never played any of the games.
I bet if you said fire emblem to any of those people, they would have no clue what you're talking about. That's what it takes to not be overrated.
One more thing is, in Advent Children, Cloud can cut through scyscrapers. So I'd imagine Link's shield couldn't do anything against Clouds sword. In all words.
Cloud = Superman
Link = Spiderman.
FFVII's Planet = The entire planet
Hyrule = NYC.
*lol* at letting it burn.
Just because people heard of Zelda and never played them doesn't mean it's overrated.
Overrated (by the majority of people) means bad quality getting too much praise and getting rated more than it's worth. Zelda doesn't fall into that category. I'll give an example when I answer in the next qoute. ;)
I'll admit, I never heard of Fire Emblem till I played Melee, but that's because I'm not a fan of RPGs.
Lastly, if Cloud = Superman, then he is the most boring superhero EVAR! :PIn my opinion I think there's no such thing as overrated.
Except for Halo.
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on March 26, 2008, 03:48:53 PM
Well for me Zelda is more overrated than Final Fantasy because Zelda had an american TV show. Final Fantasy never had an animated tv series outside Japan (Spirits Within doesn't count because without Hironobu Sakaguchi, and Moto Sakakibara, it simply wouldn't exist).Well If I was Link, I wouldn't save Hyrule. :P I'd move to another city and let Hyrule burn to the ground. Also Legend of Zelda has it's fanboys and fangirls. Trust me, I know a lot of them. I also know people that heard about Zelda and never played any of the games.
I bet if you said fire emblem to any of those people, they would have no clue what you're talking about. That's what it takes to not be overrated.
One more thing is, in Advent Children, Cloud can cut through scyscrapers. So I'd imagine Link's shield couldn't do anything against Clouds sword. In all words.
Cloud = Superman
Link = Spiderman.
FFVII's Planet = The entire planet
Hyrule = NYC.
*lol* at letting it burn.
Just because people heard of Zelda and never played them doesn't mean it's overrated.
Overrated (by the majority of people) means bad quality getting too much praise and getting rated more than it's worth. Zelda doesn't fall into that category. I'll give an example when I answer in the next qoute. ;)
I'll admit, I never heard of Fire Emblem till I played Melee, but that's because I'm not a fan of RPGs.
Lastly, if Cloud = Superman, then he is the most boring superhero EVAR! :PIn my opinion I think there's no such thing as overrated.
Except for Halo.
Actually, Final Fastasy is more overrated than you think. With Zelda, Nintendo just creates a new world and stick a few characters in there for consistency. Sqeenix is a different story. It seems like you've overlooked the fact that they're milking FFVII for all it's worth. (The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII)
Post by: animugen on March 26, 2008, 05:36:26 PM
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 26, 2008, 05:43:56 PM
Zelda had it's own compilations too. 8=|Well for me Zelda is more overrated than Final Fantasy because Zelda had an american TV show. Final Fantasy never had an animated tv series outside Japan (Spirits Within doesn't count because without Hironobu Sakaguchi, and Moto Sakakibara, it simply wouldn't exist).Well If I was Link, I wouldn't save Hyrule. :P I'd move to another city and let Hyrule burn to the ground. Also Legend of Zelda has it's fanboys and fangirls. Trust me, I know a lot of them. I also know people that heard about Zelda and never played any of the games.
I bet if you said fire emblem to any of those people, they would have no clue what you're talking about. That's what it takes to not be overrated.
One more thing is, in Advent Children, Cloud can cut through scyscrapers. So I'd imagine Link's shield couldn't do anything against Clouds sword. In all words.
Cloud = Superman
Link = Spiderman.
FFVII's Planet = The entire planet
Hyrule = NYC.
*lol* at letting it burn.
Just because people heard of Zelda and never played them doesn't mean it's overrated.
Overrated (by the majority of people) means bad quality getting too much praise and getting rated more than it's worth. Zelda doesn't fall into that category. I'll give an example when I answer in the next qoute. ;)
I'll admit, I never heard of Fire Emblem till I played Melee, but that's because I'm not a fan of RPGs.
Lastly, if Cloud = Superman, then he is the most boring superhero EVAR! :PIn my opinion I think there's no such thing as overrated.
Except for Halo.
Actually, Final Fastasy is more overrated than you think. With Zelda, Nintendo just creates a new world and stick a few characters in there for consistency. Sqeenix is a different story. It seems like you've overlooked the fact that they're milking FFVII for all it's worth. (The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII)
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 26, 2008, 05:56:16 PM
Well for me Zelda is more overrated than Final Fantasy because Zelda had an american TV show.
So I guess Mario is overrated... NOT!
I read through this topic and know that none of you truly know what overrated means. It saddens me really. Just because something is popular and high quality, doesn't mean it's overrated.
Final Fantasy is not overrated... but Final Fantasy VII is in a way. The Zelda series is nowhere near overrated either.
See now look... the topic went offtopic :(
Link FTW!
Post by: animugen on March 26, 2008, 06:00:53 PM
When something is liked by many and when there's one person that doesn't like it that person believes it's overrated.But that's why I say there's no such thing as overrated.
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 26, 2008, 06:03:58 PM
Well since you guys LOVE talking about overrated.Maybe I'll start up a topic about what is The difference of Overrated and Popularity?
When something is liked by many and when there's one person that doesn't like it that person believes it's overrated.But that's why I say there's no such thing as overrated.
Yeah, true. I don't really say anything is overrated except... I like to pick on Halo 3 *lol* :P
Sorry Halo fans, it just didn't bring anything new or exciting, it's the same ol' concept.
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on March 26, 2008, 06:44:46 PM
Zelda had it's own compilations too. 8=|Well for me Zelda is more overrated than Final Fantasy because Zelda had an american TV show. Final Fantasy never had an animated tv series outside Japan (Spirits Within doesn't count because without Hironobu Sakaguchi, and Moto Sakakibara, it simply wouldn't exist).Well If I was Link, I wouldn't save Hyrule. :P I'd move to another city and let Hyrule burn to the ground. Also Legend of Zelda has it's fanboys and fangirls. Trust me, I know a lot of them. I also know people that heard about Zelda and never played any of the games.
I bet if you said fire emblem to any of those people, they would have no clue what you're talking about. That's what it takes to not be overrated.
One more thing is, in Advent Children, Cloud can cut through scyscrapers. So I'd imagine Link's shield couldn't do anything against Clouds sword. In all words.
Cloud = Superman
Link = Spiderman.
FFVII's Planet = The entire planet
Hyrule = NYC.
*lol* at letting it burn.
Just because people heard of Zelda and never played them doesn't mean it's overrated.
Overrated (by the majority of people) means bad quality getting too much praise and getting rated more than it's worth. Zelda doesn't fall into that category. I'll give an example when I answer in the next qoute. ;)
I'll admit, I never heard of Fire Emblem till I played Melee, but that's because I'm not a fan of RPGs.
Lastly, if Cloud = Superman, then he is the most boring superhero EVAR! :PIn my opinion I think there's no such thing as overrated.
Except for Halo.
Actually, Final Fastasy is more overrated than you think. With Zelda, Nintendo just creates a new world and stick a few characters in there for consistency. Sqeenix is a different story. It seems like you've overlooked the fact that they're milking FFVII for all it's worth. (The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII)
Um yeah NO. LoZ only had two compilation discs where as FFVII has an ongoing series (under the "Compilation" title) which also includes two films and three novels.
Post by: Theendgamelv3 on March 27, 2008, 04:04:05 AM
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on March 27, 2008, 04:08:49 AM
Which Cloud are we talking about here, AC Cloud or FF7 Cloud? AC Cloud has much more battle experience and his sword/s is much better. Now I see alot of people saying who would win, but WHY would they win? I saw that someone said that Link was a better swordsman, why? Cloud stood toe to toe twice with one of the greatest warriors and possibly best swordsman in FF7 history and walked away (although the 2nd time around, Seph was toying with him at the end). If we're going barebones, I probably go with Cloud, unless Link has proven he can move unbelievably fast without help. What abilities does his sword and shield give him without extras? Basically we need more info on Link's natural abilities and Cloud's natural abilities and what stuff does each guy have and what can it do without power ups aka material and magical items.^^(PM)^ It IS actually hard to say who would really win, although it seems to point more towards Cloud since Link seems more like a normal human (elf, thing, whatever!) compared to Cloud and his giant butt sword.
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 27, 2008, 04:21:51 AM
Which Cloud are we talking about here, AC Cloud or FF7 Cloud? AC Cloud has much more battle experience and his sword/s is much better. Now I see alot of people saying who would win, but WHY would they win? I saw that someone said that Link was a better swordsman, why? Cloud stood toe to toe twice with one of the greatest warriors and possibly best swordsman in FF7 history and walked away (although the 2nd time around, Seph was toying with him at the end). If we're going barebones, I probably go with Cloud, unless Link has proven he can move unbelievably fast without help. What abilities does his sword and shield give him without extras? Basically we need more info on Link's natural abilities and Cloud's natural abilities and what stuff does each guy have and what can it do without power ups aka material and magical items.We're talking about Cloud in general.
FFVII, AC, Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, Before Crisis and any other FFVII titles made by Square Enix are all canon. Thus it's all the same Cloud.
Post by: Akeme on March 27, 2008, 04:53:09 AM
Exactly ;)Which Cloud are we talking about here, AC Cloud or FF7 Cloud? AC Cloud has much more battle experience and his sword/s is much better. Now I see alot of people saying who would win, but WHY would they win? I saw that someone said that Link was a better swordsman, why? Cloud stood toe to toe twice with one of the greatest warriors and possibly best swordsman in FF7 history and walked away (although the 2nd time around, Seph was toying with him at the end). If we're going barebones, I probably go with Cloud, unless Link has proven he can move unbelievably fast without help. What abilities does his sword and shield give him without extras? Basically we need more info on Link's natural abilities and Cloud's natural abilities and what stuff does each guy have and what can it do without power ups aka material and magical items.We're talking about Cloud in general.
FFVII, AC, Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, Before Crisis and any other FFVII titles made by Square Enix are all canon. Thus it's all the same Cloud.
Post by: Theendgamelv3 on March 27, 2008, 05:11:24 AM
Which Cloud are we talking about here, AC Cloud or FF7 Cloud? AC Cloud has much more battle experience and his sword/s is much better. Now I see alot of people saying who would win, but WHY would they win? I saw that someone said that Link was a better swordsman, why? Cloud stood toe to toe twice with one of the greatest warriors and possibly best swordsman in FF7 history and walked away (although the 2nd time around, Seph was toying with him at the end). If we're going barebones, I probably go with Cloud, unless Link has proven he can move unbelievably fast without help. What abilities does his sword and shield give him without extras? Basically we need more info on Link's natural abilities and Cloud's natural abilities and what stuff does each guy have and what can it do without power ups aka material and magical items.We're talking about Cloud in general.
FFVII, AC, Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, Before Crisis and any other FFVII titles made by Square Enix are all canon. Thus it's all the same Cloud.
Aha, but it isn't the same Cloud. Cloud has matured alot since the start of FF7 to AC. Due to these experiences, he in some ways is a different character due to his growth and battle experience. Going by what you're saying, Cloud in Crisis Core should be able to stand up and might be able to beat Sephiroth, which IMO he probably couldn't. Due to amount of differences between FF7 Cloud (in the beginning) and AC Cloud it could be argued that FF7 MIGHT lose to Link, where as a much more battle harden mature Cloud with a superior sword/s could defeat Link. Also throughout FF7 Cloud learns new techs (limit breaks) that serves him later on in the game and in the movie (I do believe that he did use a upgraded Onmislash against Seph). Take these things into account, FF7 Cloud and AC Cloud could be in some ways a different character.
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 27, 2008, 05:32:13 AM
But it's not a different character. He is Cloud, what he experiences is what he experiences, nobody else. That's like saying Link is two different characters before he gets all his weapons and gear, and afterwards.Which Cloud are we talking about here, AC Cloud or FF7 Cloud? AC Cloud has much more battle experience and his sword/s is much better. Now I see alot of people saying who would win, but WHY would they win? I saw that someone said that Link was a better swordsman, why? Cloud stood toe to toe twice with one of the greatest warriors and possibly best swordsman in FF7 history and walked away (although the 2nd time around, Seph was toying with him at the end). If we're going barebones, I probably go with Cloud, unless Link has proven he can move unbelievably fast without help. What abilities does his sword and shield give him without extras? Basically we need more info on Link's natural abilities and Cloud's natural abilities and what stuff does each guy have and what can it do without power ups aka material and magical items.We're talking about Cloud in general.
FFVII, AC, Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, Before Crisis and any other FFVII titles made by Square Enix are all canon. Thus it's all the same Cloud.
Aha, but it isn't the same Cloud. Cloud has matured alot since the start of FF7 to AC. Due to these experiences, he in some ways is a different character due to his growth and battle experience. Going by what you're saying, Cloud in Crisis Core should be able to stand up and might be able to beat Sephiroth, which IMO he probably couldn't. Due to amount of differences between FF7 Cloud (in the beginning) and AC Cloud it could be argued that FF7 MIGHT lose to Link, where as a much more battle harden mature Cloud with a superior sword/s could defeat Link. Also throughout FF7 Cloud learns new techs (limit breaks) that serves him later on in the game and in the movie (I do believe that he did use a upgraded Onmislash against Seph). Take these things into account, FF7 Cloud and AC Cloud could be in some ways a different character.
Post by: Akeme on March 27, 2008, 06:35:32 AM
Post by: animugen on March 27, 2008, 01:58:15 PM
Cloud:Defeated The Greatest Swordsman that can destroy the planet Twice,Carries a Large Sword,Can Fly,and use Magic.
Link:Obtains the Triforce,Defeats Ganon despise him coming back better and stronger,Uses all kinds of equipment to help him in almost situation,and can use Magic as well.
Anyone can add in anything I missed or correct any errors I made.Anyway I still cannot decide.But so far now Link is winning since he's got more votes.
And guys please don't argue about this though.I'm only asking for opinions and votes.But continue to discuss as you please.But no saying that something is overrated or bashing since someone may get angry.
Thanks :) Carry on the topic if you may......
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 27, 2008, 02:11:02 PM
I think they'd be like...
Cloud: "Yo dawg, why all deez fanboyz want us to fight so bad?"
Link: "..."
Cloud: "You're right! We should be teaming up instead because let's face it... were both cool good guys."
Link: "..."
Cloud: "Glad you agree!"
Post by: Error Macro on March 27, 2008, 02:16:28 PM
In all honesty on who would win?I lol'd :D
I think they'd be like...
Cloud: "Yo dawg, why all deez fanboyz want us to fight so bad?"
Link: "..."
Cloud: "You're right! We should be teaming up instead because let's face it... were both cool good guys."
Link: "..."
Cloud: "Glad you agree!"
Post by: Legend Inc. on March 27, 2008, 02:17:44 PM
im a big FFanything fan
i have never really been a link fan
never really got into the games
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 27, 2008, 03:27:23 PM
Whew After Reading all that #:-S Man you guys sure do know your stuff.Ok How about Twilight Princess Link Vs Advent Children Cloud?They both Matured and became stronger.So how about a straight up fight between the two?Like a one on One Sword Fight?(Link keeps his sheild since the buster sword is bigger and heavier than the master sword)Or maybe both of them could battle with everything they have Magic and Abilities and such.It's up to you guys.But I personally would refer a one on one sword fight between the two.Anyway there are so many Zelda games and Final Fantasy VII games there's no sure clear way that one could beat the other.They could be equally matched.I meanOne more thing is, The Master Sword is the sword of evil bane. Cloud isn't exactly the kind of guy that I would call evil. A guy who saved the planet 2 times. Sure I can understand why the MS would work against Ganondorf. The only way I can think it's possible for Link to kill Cloud is if Cloud were possessed by Jenova (which only happened like 2 times). As far as Link's Triforce. Well, I'm sure Hojo's experiments on Cloud made him way more powerful (I mean hell, they made Vincent strong enough to move the entire planet in his Chaos Weapon form).
Cloud:Defeated The Greatest Swordsman that can destroy the planet Twice,Carries a Large Sword,Can Fly,and use Magic.
Link:Obtains the Triforce,Defeats Ganon despise him coming back better and stronger,Uses all kinds of equipment to help him in almost situation,and can use Magic as well.
Anyone can add in anything I missed or correct any errors I made.Anyway I still cannot decide.But so far now Link is winning since he's got more votes.
And guys please don't argue about this though.I'm only asking for opinions and votes.But continue to discuss as you please.But no saying that something is overrated or bashing since someone may get angry.
Thanks :) Carry on the topic if you may......
Post by: animugen on March 27, 2008, 03:46:00 PM
Whew After Reading all that #:-S Man you guys sure do know your stuff.Ok How about Twilight Princess Link Vs Advent Children Cloud?They both Matured and became stronger.So how about a straight up fight between the two?Like a one on One Sword Fight?(Link keeps his sheild since the buster sword is bigger and heavier than the master sword)Or maybe both of them could battle with everything they have Magic and Abilities and such.It's up to you guys.But I personally would refer a one on one sword fight between the two.Anyway there are so many Zelda games and Final Fantasy VII games there's no sure clear way that one could beat the other.They could be equally matched.I meanOne more thing is, The Master Sword is the sword of evil bane. Cloud isn't exactly the kind of guy that I would call evil. A guy who saved the planet 2 times. Sure I can understand why the MS would work against Ganondorf. The only way I can think it's possible for Link to kill Cloud is if Cloud were possessed by Jenova (which only happened like 2 times). As far as Link's Triforce. Well, I'm sure Hojo's experiments on Cloud made him way more powerful (I mean hell, they made Vincent strong enough to move the entire planet in his Chaos Weapon form).
Cloud:Defeated The Greatest Swordsman that can destroy the planet Twice,Carries a Large Sword,Can Fly,and use Magic.
Link:Obtains the Triforce,Defeats Ganon despise him coming back better and stronger,Uses all kinds of equipment to help him in almost situation,and can use Magic as well.
Anyone can add in anything I missed or correct any errors I made.Anyway I still cannot decide.But so far now Link is winning since he's got more votes.
And guys please don't argue about this though.I'm only asking for opinions and votes.But continue to discuss as you please.But no saying that something is overrated or bashing since someone may get angry.
Thanks :) Carry on the topic if you may......
Oh most excellent point indeed. ^^(PM)^ But Link can Still Strike PPL with his Master Sword regardless if their evil or not.But yeah it's more effective if it's someone that is evil.
Seeing Link and Cloud Teaming up would equal a Huge Ownage over any other character in existance even the DBZ chars wouldn't beat them if they were together and image Sephiroth and Ganondorf Teamed up Along with Cloud and Link.Then no one would be able to them defeat no matter what.
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 27, 2008, 04:02:06 PM
Seeing Link and Cloud Teaming up would equal a Huge Ownage over any other character in existance even the DBZ chars wouldn't beat them if they were together and image Sephiroth and Ganondorf Teamed up Along with Cloud and Link.Then no one would be able to them defeat no matter what.
Super Sonic could, he's invincible :P
Post by: animugen on March 27, 2008, 04:03:32 PM
Seeing Link and Cloud Teaming up would equal a Huge Ownage over any other character in existance even the DBZ chars wouldn't beat them if they were together and image Sephiroth and Ganondorf Teamed up Along with Cloud and Link.Then no one would be able to them defeat no matter what.
Super Sonic could, he's invincible :P
Until he runs out of rings that is. :P
Post by: Gigan X3 on March 27, 2008, 04:05:45 PM
One more thing is, The Master Sword is the sword of evil bane. Cloud isn't exactly the kind of guy that I would call evil. A guy who saved the planet 2 times. Sure I can understand why the MS would work against Ganondorf. The only way I can think it's possible for Link to kill Cloud is if Cloud were possessed by Jenova (which only happened like 2 times). As far as Link's Triforce. Well, I'm sure Hojo's experiments on Cloud made him way more powerful (I mean hell, they made Vincent strong enough to move the entire planet in his Chaos Weapon form).
This is True.
Quote
cloud
im a big FFanything fan
i have never really been a link fan
never really got into the games
Oh I get it, Then Link wins because I have played more of his games...that simple. :P
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 27, 2008, 04:07:47 PM
Seeing Link and Cloud Teaming up would equal a Huge Ownage over any other character in existance even the DBZ chars wouldn't beat them if they were together and image Sephiroth and Ganondorf Teamed up Along with Cloud and Link.Then no one would be able to them defeat no matter what.
Super Sonic could, he's invincible :P
Until he runs out of rings that is. :P
Yeah, haha, then Knuckles could come in and Sonic can get some more rings... Final Hazard style (except with Knuckles because he's better than Shadow) :P
Okay, that went a bit >:-(-| haha
Post by: animugen on March 27, 2008, 04:09:47 PM
Seeing Link and Cloud Teaming up would equal a Huge Ownage over any other character in existance even the DBZ chars wouldn't beat them if they were together and image Sephiroth and Ganondorf Teamed up Along with Cloud and Link.Then no one would be able to them defeat no matter what.
Super Sonic could, he's invincible :P
Until he runs out of rings that is. :P
Yeah, haha, then Knuckles could come in and Sonic can get some more rings... Final Hazard style (except with Knuckles because he's better than Shadow) :P
Okay, that went a bit >:-(-| haha
True.This isn't Link or Cloud VS Sonic this is Cloud Vs Link.Maybe I'll start up a Topic on which character you think pwns/owns any other character.
>:-(-|
Shadow is More Kick@$$ then Knuckles.
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 27, 2008, 05:09:54 PM
Eventually superman would kill everyone.Seeing Link and Cloud Teaming up would equal a Huge Ownage over any other character in existance even the DBZ chars wouldn't beat them if they were together and image Sephiroth and Ganondorf Teamed up Along with Cloud and Link.Then no one would be able to them defeat no matter what.
Super Sonic could, he's invincible :P
Until he runs out of rings that is. :P
Yeah, haha, then Knuckles could come in and Sonic can get some more rings... Final Hazard style (except with Knuckles because he's better than Shadow) :P
Okay, that went a bit >:-(-| haha
True.This isn't Link or Cloud VS Sonic this is Cloud Vs Link.Maybe I'll start up a Topic on which character you think pwns/owns any other character.
>:-(-|
Shadow is More Kick@$$ then Knuckles.
Post by: animugen on March 27, 2008, 05:31:09 PM
Post by: Rage on March 27, 2008, 05:41:49 PM
hey Theendgamelv3 u want to separate Cloud by timeline fine lets to the same for LinK
OMG when u do this to Link he aint na'n but a puck @$$ beach.
In allmost er Zelda Link is a brand new Character with no connection to the other adventures(DO THE RESERACH.) Meaning that he unlike clould has no battle exp what so every. By the end of one of the adventure he couldn't beat Cloud.
Y
Cuz put Clould at the end of his adventure . . . . On wait the end of FF7, or the FF7AVC.
Poor Link :'(
That why U sum all these stories up as a collection and to make far 4 our Fighters Swords only (Shield too) Barebone.
Link is a swordmater and Cloud a juggernut
. . . . . . . . . . u want me to go on >:D
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on March 27, 2008, 05:44:21 PM
Whew After Reading all that #:-S Man you guys sure do know your stuff.Ok How about Twilight Princess Link Vs Advent Children Cloud?They both Matured and became stronger.So how about a straight up fight between the two?Like a one on One Sword Fight?(Link keeps his sheild since the buster sword is bigger and heavier than the master sword)Or maybe both of them could battle with everything they have Magic and Abilities and such.It's up to you guys.But I personally would refer a one on one sword fight between the two.Anyway there are so many Zelda games and Final Fantasy VII games there's no sure clear way that one could beat the other.They could be equally matched.I mean
Cloud:Defeated The Greatest Swordsman that can destroy the planet Twice,Carries a Large Sword,Can Fly,and use Magic.
Link:Obtains the Triforce,Defeats Ganon despise him coming back better and stronger,Uses all kinds of equipment to help him in almost situation,and can use Magic as well.
Anyone can add in anything I missed or correct any errors I made.Anyway I still cannot decide.But so far now Link is winning since he's got more votes.
And guys please don't argue about this though.I'm only asking for opinions and votes.But continue to discuss as you please.But no saying that something is overrated or bashing since someone may get angry.
Thanks :) Carry on the topic if you may......
The problem with that argument is the fact that all Links are not the same. Even though TP Link is the latest one, he still doesn't have the experience that Cloud.
Post by: animugen on March 27, 2008, 05:45:41 PM
Whew After Reading all that #:-S Man you guys sure do know your stuff.Ok How about Twilight Princess Link Vs Advent Children Cloud?They both Matured and became stronger.So how about a straight up fight between the two?Like a one on One Sword Fight?(Link keeps his sheild since the buster sword is bigger and heavier than the master sword)Or maybe both of them could battle with everything they have Magic and Abilities and such.It's up to you guys.But I personally would refer a one on one sword fight between the two.Anyway there are so many Zelda games and Final Fantasy VII games there's no sure clear way that one could beat the other.They could be equally matched.I mean
Cloud:Defeated The Greatest Swordsman that can destroy the planet Twice,Carries a Large Sword,Can Fly,and use Magic.
Link:Obtains the Triforce,Defeats Ganon despise him coming back better and stronger,Uses all kinds of equipment to help him in almost situation,and can use Magic as well.
Anyone can add in anything I missed or correct any errors I made.Anyway I still cannot decide.But so far now Link is winning since he's got more votes.
And guys please don't argue about this though.I'm only asking for opinions and votes.But continue to discuss as you please.But no saying that something is overrated or bashing since someone may get angry.
Thanks :) Carry on the topic if you may......
The problem with that argument is the fact that all Links are not the same. Even though TP Link is the latest one, he still doesn't have the experience that Cloud.
What I thought the Twilight Princess Link was the Same one from Ocarina Of Time.
Post by: Rage on March 27, 2008, 05:48:09 PM
Im about to make a whole lot of peps mad ;D
hey Theendgamelv3 u want to separate Cloud by timeline fine lets to the same for LinK
OMG when u do this to Link he aint na'n but a puck @$$ beach.
In allmost er Zelda Link is a brand new Character with no connection to the other adventures(DO THE RESERACH.) Meaning that he unlike clould has no battle exp what so every. By the end of one of the adventure he couldn't beat Cloud.
Y
Cuz put Clould at the end of his adventure . . . . On wait the end of FF7, or the FF7AVC.
Poor Link :'(
That why U sum all these stories up as a collection and to make far 4 our Fighters Swords only (Shield too) Barebone.
Link is a swordmater and Cloud a juggernut
. . . . . . . . . . u want me to go on >:D
No Allmost all Links are different >:P
Post by: animugen on March 27, 2008, 05:50:55 PM
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on March 27, 2008, 05:52:18 PM
Whew After Reading all that #:-S Man you guys sure do know your stuff.Ok How about Twilight Princess Link Vs Advent Children Cloud?They both Matured and became stronger.So how about a straight up fight between the two?Like a one on One Sword Fight?(Link keeps his sheild since the buster sword is bigger and heavier than the master sword)Or maybe both of them could battle with everything they have Magic and Abilities and such.It's up to you guys.But I personally would refer a one on one sword fight between the two.Anyway there are so many Zelda games and Final Fantasy VII games there's no sure clear way that one could beat the other.They could be equally matched.I mean
Cloud:Defeated The Greatest Swordsman that can destroy the planet Twice,Carries a Large Sword,Can Fly,and use Magic.
Link:Obtains the Triforce,Defeats Ganon despise him coming back better and stronger,Uses all kinds of equipment to help him in almost situation,and can use Magic as well.
Anyone can add in anything I missed or correct any errors I made.Anyway I still cannot decide.But so far now Link is winning since he's got more votes.
And guys please don't argue about this though.I'm only asking for opinions and votes.But continue to discuss as you please.But no saying that something is overrated or bashing since someone may get angry.
Thanks :) Carry on the topic if you may......
The problem with that argument is the fact that all Links are not the same. Even though TP Link is the latest one, he still doesn't have the experience that Cloud.
What I thought the Twilight Princess Link was the Same one from Ocarina Of Time.
Same universe, different Link.
Post by: Rage on March 27, 2008, 05:58:30 PM
Link is over with >:D
Its only one oppion left 4 Link fanboy :D
Edit:
Whats my sig say; dont mess with Rage! Rage was nice yasterday but now Rage is >:(
:DxDie
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 27, 2008, 08:26:21 PM
Post by: animugen on March 28, 2008, 01:11:34 AM
Ugh... this topic sucks now. Reread my previous post :P
Why because it got old?
Post by: megaman781 on March 29, 2008, 03:52:06 AM
Post by: animugen on March 29, 2008, 12:36:04 PM
Post by: Theendgamelv3 on March 30, 2008, 07:47:41 AM
But it's not a different character. He is Cloud, what he experiences is what he experiences, nobody else. That's like saying Link is two different characters before he gets all his weapons and gear, and afterwards.Which Cloud are we talking about here, AC Cloud or FF7 Cloud? AC Cloud has much more battle experience and his sword/s is much better. Now I see alot of people saying who would win, but WHY would they win? I saw that someone said that Link was a better swordsman, why? Cloud stood toe to toe twice with one of the greatest warriors and possibly best swordsman in FF7 history and walked away (although the 2nd time around, Seph was toying with him at the end). If we're going barebones, I probably go with Cloud, unless Link has proven he can move unbelievably fast without help. What abilities does his sword and shield give him without extras? Basically we need more info on Link's natural abilities and Cloud's natural abilities and what stuff does each guy have and what can it do without power ups aka material and magical items.We're talking about Cloud in general.
FFVII, AC, Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, Before Crisis and any other FFVII titles made by Square Enix are all canon. Thus it's all the same Cloud.
Aha, but it isn't the same Cloud. Cloud has matured alot since the start of FF7 to AC. Due to these experiences, he in some ways is a different character due to his growth and battle experience. Going by what you're saying, Cloud in Crisis Core should be able to stand up and might be able to beat Sephiroth, which IMO he probably couldn't. Due to amount of differences between FF7 Cloud (in the beginning) and AC Cloud it could be argued that FF7 MIGHT lose to Link, where as a much more battle harden mature Cloud with a superior sword/s could defeat Link. Also throughout FF7 Cloud learns new techs (limit breaks) that serves him later on in the game and in the movie (I do believe that he did use a upgraded Onmislash against Seph). Take these things into account, FF7 Cloud and AC Cloud could be in some ways a different character.
I am not saying he is a completely different character. In Smash brothers, there was Young Link and Link right, yet they are both Link. Both Links are just in different stages of the development. I am basically arguing what stage of Cloud's development do you want to go by, when he was in FF7 or in AC.
I think it MIGHT be unfair if Cloud has materia. He would have summons, ultima, etc. He would be just too much for Link, unless Links magical items could easily stand up to Cloud's materia.
Post by: animugen on March 30, 2008, 05:21:23 PM
Post by: Barrysun on March 31, 2008, 07:01:46 PM
heck, during my early mugen video making days, I've been pwning many different versions of Cloud with Link.
but if they really are going at it, would Link grab a smash ball and use his triforce slash on Cloud and deal tons of damage to cloud.
I can't wait for Yamakuchi's version who we can have the true battle with Link vs Cloud in mugen.
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 31, 2008, 07:11:20 PM
as for me, I would safly say Link would beat Cloud.Triforce Slash was a messed up rip-off of Omnislash... It even ends with slash. I think Cloud's Omnislash might actually do way more damage. Also Ike's final smash rips off of Squalls last limit break. I think it was messed up how they had to rip off Final Fantasy for characters Final Smash attacks.
heck, during my early mugen video making days, I've been pwning many different versions of Cloud with Link.
but if they really are going at it, would Link grab a smash ball and use his triforce slash on Cloud and deal tons of damage to cloud.
I can't wait for Yamakuchi's version who we can have the true battle with Link vs Cloud in mugen.
I hope Yamakichi's Cloud as Reu style ai. >:D
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on March 31, 2008, 07:59:43 PM
Triforce Slash was a messed up rip-off of Omnislash... It even ends with slash. I think Cloud's Omnislash might actually do way more damage. Also Ike's final smash rips off of Squalls last limit break. I think it was messed up how they had to rip off Final Fantasy for characters Final Smash attacks.
Moves like that have been done before the FF games. From where, I don't know. However, I do know that they aren't original enough to be declared anything spectacular... so really Link's & Ike's FS aren't "rip-offs". Seriously, since when has slashing in an awesome looking combo called original? :D
Getting a mushroom and growing huge! Now that, is original! :P
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on March 31, 2008, 09:26:35 PM
I'm not the first person to say it. In fact I don't think I'm the second.Triforce Slash was a messed up rip-off of Omnislash... It even ends with slash. I think Cloud's Omnislash might actually do way more damage. Also Ike's final smash rips off of Squalls last limit break. I think it was messed up how they had to rip off Final Fantasy for characters Final Smash attacks.
Moves like that have been done before the FF games. From where, I don't know. However, I do know that they aren't original enough to be declared anything spectacular... so really Link's & Ike's FS aren't "rip-offs". Seriously, since when has slashing in an awesome looking combo called original? :D
Getting a mushroom and growing huge! Now that, is original! :P
I don't want to completely repost what I said in the first page so
http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Forum_345/index.php?topic=11395.0
and
Ike's "Great Aether"
He launches the enemy into the air and strikes them several times to come down for a final blow
Squalls "lionhart"
launches the enemy into the air, strikes them several times and does a final strike just like Ike does in his Great Aether.
:/ The proofs kind of there in visual format.
Post by: animugen on March 31, 2008, 09:55:21 PM
Post by: Akeme on April 01, 2008, 04:17:57 AM
Heck Naw your telling the Truth.Doesn't Square even care that Nintendo Copied their Lion Heart With Ike's Final Smash? /:OIt seems like they dont ;)
Post by: animugen on April 01, 2008, 12:00:45 PM
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on April 01, 2008, 02:43:38 PM
"Oh, i'm sword slashing in a cool fashion with special effects!"
Yeah... so original 8=|
Post by: Legend Inc. on April 02, 2008, 09:32:21 PM
perhaps a RYU VS. MARIO?
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on April 02, 2008, 10:06:06 PM
Nothing is ripped off, it's a stupid comparison. Paranioid fanboys.
"Oh, i'm sword slashing in a cool fashion with special effects!"
Yeah... so original 8=|
Exactly. What I said in the IGN LoZ movie trailer thread can also fit in here.
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on April 02, 2008, 10:37:16 PM
Nothing is ripped off, it's a stupid comparison. Paranioid fanboys.Paranoid? No. I'm just looking at the facts.
"Oh, i'm sword slashing in a cool fashion with special effects!"
Yeah... so original 8=|
It's not slashing in a cool fashion. It's slashing in a similar fashion, or nearly the same exact fashion.
That's just like saying Sonic Jumping on enemies to kill them isn't ripping off anything else because he spins while doing it.
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on April 02, 2008, 10:41:24 PM
Nothing is ripped off, it's a stupid comparison. Paranioid fanboys.Paranoid? No. I'm just looking at the facts.
"Oh, i'm sword slashing in a cool fashion with special effects!"
Yeah... so original 8=|
It's not slashing in a cool fashion. It's slashing in a similar fashion, or nearly the same exact fashion.
That's just like saying Sonic Jumping on enemies to kill them isn't ripping off anything else because he spins while doing it.
That may be so, but would you really argue this if you were to see the exact same slashing in a movie?
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on April 02, 2008, 11:24:52 PM
Depends on the situation.Nothing is ripped off, it's a stupid comparison. Paranioid fanboys.Paranoid? No. I'm just looking at the facts.
"Oh, i'm sword slashing in a cool fashion with special effects!"
Yeah... so original 8=|
It's not slashing in a cool fashion. It's slashing in a similar fashion, or nearly the same exact fashion.
That's just like saying Sonic Jumping on enemies to kill them isn't ripping off anything else because he spins while doing it.
That may be so, but would you really argue this if you were to see the exact same slashing in a movie?
If it was like a really old movie from the 60's, 70's or 80's, then probably not because a lot of games make tributes to older material. I can't say the countless games that have used lightsabers, probably most of them inspired off of Star Wars.
But if it was a movie, then probably yeah.
Post by: Epic Win Man on April 02, 2008, 11:51:16 PM
Back to OT, I'd say link simply because all of his items pretty much negate any advantage cloud has
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on April 02, 2008, 11:56:14 PM
Depends on the situation.Nothing is ripped off, it's a stupid comparison. Paranioid fanboys.Paranoid? No. I'm just looking at the facts.
"Oh, i'm sword slashing in a cool fashion with special effects!"
Yeah... so original 8=|
It's not slashing in a cool fashion. It's slashing in a similar fashion, or nearly the same exact fashion.
That's just like saying Sonic Jumping on enemies to kill them isn't ripping off anything else because he spins while doing it.
That may be so, but would you really argue this if you were to see the exact same slashing in a movie?
If it was like a really old movie from the 60's, 70's or 80's, then probably not because a lot of games make tributes to older material. I can't say the countless games that have used lightsabers, probably most of them inspired off of Star Wars.
But if it was a movie, then probably yeah.
Okay, arguing over some unoriginal slashing combo in two different games is one thing, but arguing over it when it's in a movie is just SAD.
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on April 02, 2008, 11:58:54 PM
Originality is pretty much dead in movies these days, hence all the comic book based films, cartoon based films, anime based films and video game based films, remakes, and sequels to old films that people thought would never exist.Depends on the situation.Nothing is ripped off, it's a stupid comparison. Paranioid fanboys.Paranoid? No. I'm just looking at the facts.
"Oh, i'm sword slashing in a cool fashion with special effects!"
Yeah... so original 8=|
It's not slashing in a cool fashion. It's slashing in a similar fashion, or nearly the same exact fashion.
That's just like saying Sonic Jumping on enemies to kill them isn't ripping off anything else because he spins while doing it.
That may be so, but would you really argue this if you were to see the exact same slashing in a movie?
If it was like a really old movie from the 60's, 70's or 80's, then probably not because a lot of games make tributes to older material. I can't say the countless games that have used lightsabers, probably most of them inspired off of Star Wars.
But if it was a movie, then probably yeah.
Okay, arguing over some unoriginal slashing combo in two different games is one thing, but arguing over it when it's in a movie is just SAD.
Back 3 years ago I would never expect a Rocky sequel, Rambo sequel, Die Hard sequel, Indiana Jones sequel, Mummy sequel, TMNT sequel... All those film series kind of died with time. Unlike Saw which pops out a sequel every year or so.
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on April 03, 2008, 12:03:33 AM
Originality is pretty much dead in movies these days, hence all the comic book based films, cartoon based films, anime based films and video game based films, and remakes.Depends on the situation.Nothing is ripped off, it's a stupid comparison. Paranioid fanboys.Paranoid? No. I'm just looking at the facts.
"Oh, i'm sword slashing in a cool fashion with special effects!"
Yeah... so original 8=|
It's not slashing in a cool fashion. It's slashing in a similar fashion, or nearly the same exact fashion.
That's just like saying Sonic Jumping on enemies to kill them isn't ripping off anything else because he spins while doing it.
That may be so, but would you really argue this if you were to see the exact same slashing in a movie?
If it was like a really old movie from the 60's, 70's or 80's, then probably not because a lot of games make tributes to older material. I can't say the countless games that have used lightsabers, probably most of them inspired off of Star Wars.
But if it was a movie, then probably yeah.
Okay, arguing over some unoriginal slashing combo in two different games is one thing, but arguing over it when it's in a movie is just SAD.
same thing with video games, which is why the omnislash is highly unoriginal.
Post by: Violent Ken Masters on April 03, 2008, 12:06:08 AM
Well I don't recall seeing anything that resembled the omnislash before ffvii. :-??Originality is pretty much dead in movies these days, hence all the comic book based films, cartoon based films, anime based films and video game based films, and remakes.Depends on the situation.Nothing is ripped off, it's a stupid comparison. Paranioid fanboys.Paranoid? No. I'm just looking at the facts.
"Oh, i'm sword slashing in a cool fashion with special effects!"
Yeah... so original 8=|
It's not slashing in a cool fashion. It's slashing in a similar fashion, or nearly the same exact fashion.
That's just like saying Sonic Jumping on enemies to kill them isn't ripping off anything else because he spins while doing it.
That may be so, but would you really argue this if you were to see the exact same slashing in a movie?
If it was like a really old movie from the 60's, 70's or 80's, then probably not because a lot of games make tributes to older material. I can't say the countless games that have used lightsabers, probably most of them inspired off of Star Wars.
But if it was a movie, then probably yeah.
Okay, arguing over some unoriginal slashing combo in two different games is one thing, but arguing over it when it's in a movie is just SAD.
same thing with video games, which is why the omnislash is highly unoriginal.
Post by: Epic Win Man on April 03, 2008, 12:45:06 AM
Star Gladiator comes to mind...Well I don't recall seeing anything that resembled the omnislash before ffvii. :-??Originality is pretty much dead in movies these days, hence all the comic book based films, cartoon based films, anime based films and video game based films, and remakes.Depends on the situation.Nothing is ripped off, it's a stupid comparison. Paranioid fanboys.Paranoid? No. I'm just looking at the facts.
"Oh, i'm sword slashing in a cool fashion with special effects!"
Yeah... so original 8=|
It's not slashing in a cool fashion. It's slashing in a similar fashion, or nearly the same exact fashion.
That's just like saying Sonic Jumping on enemies to kill them isn't ripping off anything else because he spins while doing it.
That may be so, but would you really argue this if you were to see the exact same slashing in a movie?
If it was like a really old movie from the 60's, 70's or 80's, then probably not because a lot of games make tributes to older material. I can't say the countless games that have used lightsabers, probably most of them inspired off of Star Wars.
But if it was a movie, then probably yeah.
Okay, arguing over some unoriginal slashing combo in two different games is one thing, but arguing over it when it's in a movie is just SAD.
same thing with video games, which is why the omnislash is highly unoriginal.
Post by: BigJ on April 03, 2008, 12:58:22 AM
END OF DISCUSSION
Post by: Legend Inc. on April 03, 2008, 05:56:42 PM
can we possibly change this?
perhaps a RYU VS. MARIO?
:-w
Post by: louis on April 04, 2008, 10:44:22 AM
Post by: Legend Inc. on April 04, 2008, 09:09:20 PM
>:(
seriously folks this is getting cliche, monotonous and extremely stupid
Post by: Epic Win Man on April 04, 2008, 10:23:58 PM
OH MY GOD CAN WE CHANGE THE TOPIC!!solution? stop looking at the thread. :thumbsup:
>:(
seriously folks this is getting cliche, monotonous and extremely stupid
Post by: TÐZ on April 04, 2008, 11:01:52 PM
OH MY GOD CAN WE CHANGE THE TOPIC!!
>:(
seriously folks this is getting cliche, monotonous and extremely stupid
then make your own topic then. :|
Post by: R.I.C.O - Teros on April 04, 2008, 11:08:41 PM
solution? stop looking at the thread. :thumbsup:
It's hard to not look at fanboys argue about the smallest of things. It's just so entertaining :P
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on April 04, 2008, 11:20:15 PM
solution? stop looking at the thread. :thumbsup:
It's hard to not look at fanboys argue about the smallest of things. It's just so entertaining :P
LOL, so true. Fanboys argue about anything.
Post by: Zed365 on April 05, 2008, 01:18:58 AM