Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 17, 2008, 03:32:02 PM
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I don't see why people hate SNK so much, they make some pretty decent fighters. I don't see why they get so much flak.
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on February 17, 2008, 03:37:23 PM
Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 17, 2008, 03:53:27 PM
Some people just don't like the spriting style. That, or they're Capcom fans.
wow :o
I guess you'll always have your graphic whores, because people are drooling over the KOF XII video that came out. While I think it looks fantastic, I didn't mind KOF XI sprites. The new sprites are much better of course, but KOF's original sprites never bothered me as long as the gameplay was good
Also, I love SNK's characters design, they're always full of style and imagination.
Post by: MaverickZr0 on February 17, 2008, 04:10:20 PM
They have good fighters, but I never liked their shading style. KOFXII though looks much better.
And I prefer Capcom over SNK.
Post by: MuηkyMØÜf on February 17, 2008, 04:15:43 PM
Some people just don't like the spriting style. That, or they're Capcom fans.
I honestly like SNK but I cant stand the button config they use. Ive always liked the look & different fighting styles. Hell, the first fighter I played was AOF & FF then SF2. I liked them in arcades though. On console ~X(.
I have too many SF memories of tournaments & great fights with friends.
When it comes to console fighters Capcom pwns b/c they simplified there commands & thats what made SF popular around my way.
Example:
(http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters3/ryo-superfireball.gif)
HCB, HCF P
(http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters3/ryu-cvs-hadoken-a.gif)
DF, DF PP
Yes, I know the commands the dont coincide with the pix...its an example
Post by: xsabin on February 17, 2008, 04:35:15 PM
ps:my vid about the unknown snk vs capcom game:
Post by: Warcueid on February 17, 2008, 04:46:37 PM
Post by: Nutty-Da-Kid on February 17, 2008, 04:55:44 PM
ryo:
fireball
flying double kick
spining karate chop
flying karate chop
dragon uppercut
and that super fast punch thing
ryu:
fireball
dragon upper cut
hurricane kick
and yea i own KOF 98 and Last Blade 2 on my dreamcast FTW. i think i might own more snk fighters than capcom on my dreamcast but i have a good amount of both.
Post by: Whoblehwah on February 17, 2008, 05:14:16 PM
I think its mainly because most, if not all, SNK fighters aren't a "Pick up and play" type of games. People might not believe it but, it really takes time to master and even get used to SNK games. Take KOF for instance, yes the commands for moves seem hard for some moves, but I prefer the hcb,hcf + p moves to the DF,DF + PP simply because its easier for me to pull off, plus I won't run the risk of pulling out a Shoryuken instead of the super I wanted. Not to mention combos take some strict timing that you NEED to get used in KOF, but, always comes down to people choosing. I myself started with SF, then I found KOF and never looked back...till SF3 but then KOFXI came out and well...its awesome.
Agree'd. I never really played SNK games when I was young though. They were never as mainstream as Capcom games. Recently though I've been enjoying them more then capcoms games though. G:MOTW and KOFXI FTW. lol.
Post by: Merlock Profetus, el profeta on February 17, 2008, 05:17:02 PM
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on February 17, 2008, 05:27:33 PM
^^(PM)^ Some people are just proving you right as they post.Some people just don't like the spriting style. That, or they're Capcom fans.
wow :o
I guess you'll always have your graphic whores, because people are drooling over the KOF XII video that came out. While I think it looks fantastic, I didn't mind KOF XI sprites. The new sprites are much better of course, but KOF's original sprites never bothered me as long as the gameplay was good
Also, I love SNK's characters design, they're always full of style and imagination.
Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 17, 2008, 05:59:22 PM
Then when I finally got my Dreamcast I got King of Fighters Dreammatch (KOF 98) and I was blown away. The character design, the complexity in combinations and special/hyper moves, advance sub systems, the gritty artwork, it was like opening a new christmas present. And I got it brand new for 10 dollars. I was hesitant to get it because it had got low scores because of the other Dreamcast 2D fighters, but I decided to pick it up because of the price and I'm glad I did. Since then I've been a big fan of SNK games. I enjoy their fighter more than Capcom's because the fact they just are more fun IMO. And they always have a nice surprise in them. I like some of Capcom's games but they seem generic and never try anythign too new, and when they do, it's always bad. Like some of the character designs in SF3, a lot of them were awful, and they had to put shoto's and chun li back in it for people to play it. and Look at SF4, they're going back to the same character design.
My favorite SNK games overall are......
Garou: Mark of the Wolves
King of Fighters 98
King of Fighters XI
Last Blade 1 and 2
Samurai Spirits II/V/V: Special
Neo Geo Battle Coliseum
World Heroes Perfect (now that SNK Playmore owns them.
I dunno, SNK just seems more exciting to me, and they do seem like the Virtua Fighter of 2D fighting games while Street Fighter and Capcom is more like Tekken. I mean KOF is very difficult to learn and master because so many characters and their uniqueness and strict timing, and when you're new, the game seems very slow and stiff (just like Virtua Fighter) but when you watch high level people play it, the freaking games has a ton of depth, and they flow a lot faster than Street Fighter games.
Post by: .:K.I.N.G:. on February 17, 2008, 06:27:22 PM
Post by: dennis872005 on February 17, 2008, 06:30:19 PM
Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 17, 2008, 06:34:16 PM
their sprites suck. in mugen full screen they look blocky as hell. and their shading is horrendous. I also don't like their chars for some reason. and kof xii graphics needs new graphics. we are not in the 90's anymore were even the sf3 sprites were light years ahead of any snk fighting game.
looks like someone caught a case of hate poisoning :o
Post by: Lightblackheart on February 17, 2008, 06:36:53 PM
I despise their shading style, and some of their animations look choppy, (Kyo light punch for example).
They have good fighters, but I never liked their shading style. KOFXII though looks much better.
And I prefer Capcom over SNK.
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on February 17, 2008, 06:37:12 PM
their sprites suck. in mugen full screen they look blocky as hell. and their shading is horrendous. I also don't like their chars for some reason. and kof xii graphics needs new graphics. we are not in the 90's anymore were even the sf3 sprites were light years ahead of any snk fighting game.
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Wow.
Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 17, 2008, 06:42:33 PM
Riley-Boondocks
And i guess SNK is doing something right, and keeping things 2D>Capcom's 3D, seems too much like SFEX which sucked hardcore
Post by: dennis872005 on February 17, 2008, 06:50:22 PM
their sprites suck. in mugen full screen they look blocky as hell. and their shading is horrendous. I also don't like their chars for some reason. and kof xii graphics needs new graphics. we are not in the 90's anymore were even the sf3 sprites were light years ahead of any snk fighting game.
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Wow.
hd graphics would have been alot better. I mean guilty gear had hi-res sprites and it came out with hi-res sprites on the ps2. but i guess only high calibur games like sf2 deserve hd sprites. :-??
Post by: MaverickZr0 on February 17, 2008, 07:05:50 PM
Post by: .:K.I.N.G:. on February 17, 2008, 07:17:07 PM
as much as i love capcom characters i can't deny that they are repetitive and boring to some point..bringing back the old sf2 characters roster shows that sf3 characters were a miss at lease to some ppl...and if you come to think of 3d...kof maximum impact rules over any sfex or a 3d capcom fighting game.
the only snk game that really sucks is svc no doubt about it...cus it feels like there was no effort was put into it and it felt like it was put together with crappy sounds, music and everything
my opinion the best capcom fighter is by far cvs2 and sf3 comes after....as mvc and the super heroes vs games these are more of party games than fighting wit all the plasma cannons and beams lol
Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 17, 2008, 07:43:50 PM
As for SF4, it seems like it has that floaty jump mechanic that SFEX has. I wish Capcom would have stuck to 2D.
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on February 17, 2008, 07:48:29 PM
their sprites suck. in mugen full screen they look blocky as hell. and their shading is horrendous. I also don't like their chars for some reason. and kof xii graphics needs new graphics. we are not in the 90's anymore were even the sf3 sprites were light years ahead of any snk fighting game.
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Wow.
hd graphics would have been alot better. I mean guilty gear had hi-res sprites and it came out with hi-res sprites on the ps2. but i guess only high calibur games like sf2 deserve hd sprites. :-??
Dude, I don't even get your logic. It's their own spriting style. As for Guilty Gear, so what? That's how the sprites were made, just like how SNK made their sprites. And SF2 deserves HD sprites? What are you talking about? It's Capcom's own decision to do that, not some other company like what you're trying to imply. (subconciously)
We're just giving reasons why we don't like SNK style like you asked. Why are you stating to bash capcom ? :| SF4 resembles nothing of EX, except 3D...Big deal.
Look on the first page to see some SNK bashing.
Post by: dennis872005 on February 17, 2008, 07:56:10 PM
their sprites suck. in mugen full screen they look blocky as hell. and their shading is horrendous. I also don't like their chars for some reason. and kof xii graphics needs new graphics. we are not in the 90's anymore were even the sf3 sprites were light years ahead of any snk fighting game.
<_<|...| <_<|...| <_<|...|
Wow.
hd graphics would have been alot better. I mean guilty gear had hi-res sprites and it came out with hi-res sprites on the ps2. but i guess only high calibur games like sf2 deserve hd sprites. :-??
Dude, I don't even get your logic. It's their own spriting style. As for Guilty Gear, so what? That's how the sprites were made, just like how SNK made their sprites. And SF2 deserves HD sprites? What are you talking about? It's Capcom's own decision to do that, not some other company like what you're trying to imply. (subconciously)We're just giving reasons why we don't like SNK style like you asked. Why are you stating to bash capcom ? :| SF4 resembles nothing of EX, except 3D...Big deal.
Look on the first page to see some SNK bashing.
hey what can I say. I am a graphics whore. :-??
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on February 17, 2008, 08:00:31 PM
their sprites suck. in mugen full screen they look blocky as hell. and their shading is horrendous. I also don't like their chars for some reason. and kof xii graphics needs new graphics. we are not in the 90's anymore were even the sf3 sprites were light years ahead of any snk fighting game.
<_<|...| <_<|...| <_<|...|
Wow.
hd graphics would have been alot better. I mean guilty gear had hi-res sprites and it came out with hi-res sprites on the ps2. but i guess only high calibur games like sf2 deserve hd sprites. :-??
Dude, I don't even get your logic. It's their own spriting style. As for Guilty Gear, so what? That's how the sprites were made, just like how SNK made their sprites. And SF2 deserves HD sprites? What are you talking about? It's Capcom's own decision to do that, not some other company like what you're trying to imply. (subconciously)We're just giving reasons why we don't like SNK style like you asked. Why are you stating to bash capcom ? :| SF4 resembles nothing of EX, except 3D...Big deal.
Look on the first page to see some SNK bashing.
hey what can I say. I am a graphics whore. :-??
heh, no problem. I get that way sometimes as well.
Post by: .:K.I.N.G:. on February 17, 2008, 08:02:05 PM
SVC wasn't very good, one of the worst SNK fighters, but it wasn't that bad either. but SNK only got one chance to make a crossover game with Capcom, I'm sure they would have done better with a second try, just like Capcom did. Capcom vs SNK 1 wasn't bad, but you can see the improvements in Capcom vs SNK 2. But what company doesn't make bad games? Every company has, and thats why I brought up SFEX, Capcom made a crap game, just like SNK does. It's all relative.the physics isn't that great in sf4 as well as hit sounds but what i mostly dislike about sf4 is the long hit pauses or freezes that happens all the time with every hit...that's a major gamplay flaw...i hope they fix that
As for SF4, it seems like it has that floaty jump mechanic that SFEX has. I wish Capcom would have stuck to 2D.
Post by: Nutty-Da-Kid on February 18, 2008, 01:13:45 AM
Post by: MaverickZr0 on February 18, 2008, 01:14:42 AM
wat can i say snk is better than capcom in da fighting department every fighter that snk makes is different than the next and has its own unique style of play while capcoms fighters mostly play like sf i think ppl dont like snk because its too difficult for them i mean snk fighters are not button mashing games u actually have to have skill to beat those play wit capcom u can just push all da buttons and beat stages.I can combo in KOF, and I prefer SF though.
Post by: Saber Alter on February 18, 2008, 02:58:27 AM
Post by: Darkgargos on February 18, 2008, 06:56:47 AM
Post by: xsabin on February 18, 2008, 08:39:00 AM
SVC wasn't very good, one of the worst SNK fighters, but it wasn't that bad either. but SNK only got one chance to make a crossover game with Capcom, I'm sure they would have done better with a second try, just like Capcom did. Capcom vs SNK 1 wasn't bad, but you can see the improvements in Capcom vs SNK 2. But what company doesn't make bad games? Every company has, and thats why I brought up SFEX, Capcom made a crap game, just like SNK does. It's all relative.that was their second try,like i said in my post there was one before on neo geo pocket(which i think it rocks,snk did a good fighting game,there is a vid of it on my post in the first page)
As for SF4, it seems like it has that floaty jump mechanic that SFEX has. I wish Capcom would have stuck to 2D.
Post by: MuηkyMØÜf on February 18, 2008, 08:45:30 AM
Post by: Nutty-Da-Kid on February 18, 2008, 10:41:30 AM
Post by: MaverickZr0 on February 18, 2008, 12:57:37 PM
Because you look in GfaqsI don't go there...I don't need to cheat to learn how to combo.Nor do I blindly follow what they have to say about other companies.
Post by: Gaijin on February 18, 2008, 01:22:11 PM
Post by: DivineWolf on February 18, 2008, 01:26:13 PM
SNK fighters are great, unique fighters, and I agree that it takes more dedication and skill to play with SNK fighters. Rock will always be one of my fav chars, ever since I had Garou: MOTW for my Dreamcast (Ah..... The memories....).
I'd guess maybe because it's more difficult to play with SNK fighters. And Capcom has a better appeal/popularity. Though I have a fair amount of SNK fighters in my mugen, along with Marvel, Capcom, and DBZ (Choujin/Stig 87's styled only :P). It's more for the preference of the player, and most just prefer Capcom over SNK. Though it doesn't make SNK fighters any less capable of holding their own in the fighting universe. ;)
Post by: b.easy on February 18, 2008, 01:26:52 PM
I despise their shading styleQFT. guaranteed to ruin sprite consistency in any MUGEN. :D
Also, the character design is a little lacking. Terry, Mai, and Geese are obviously the coolest out of the whole bunch, and even they can't compare to the likes of Dhalsim and Guile.
Post by: Gore Whore on February 18, 2008, 02:13:13 PM
Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 18, 2008, 03:38:43 PM
SVC wasn't very good, one of the worst SNK fighters, but it wasn't that bad either. but SNK only got one chance to make a crossover game with Capcom, I'm sure they would have done better with a second try, just like Capcom did. Capcom vs SNK 1 wasn't bad, but you can see the improvements in Capcom vs SNK 2. But what company doesn't make bad games? Every company has, and thats why I brought up SFEX, Capcom made a crap game, just like SNK does. It's all relative.that was their second try,like i said in my post there was one before on neo geo pocket(which i think it rocks,snk did a good fighting game,there is a vid of it on my post in the first page)
As for SF4, it seems like it has that floaty jump mechanic that SFEX has. I wish Capcom would have stuck to 2D.
I'm talking about second try in terms of arcade fighter
Post by: MaverickZr0 on February 18, 2008, 03:39:49 PM
its the shading. i like the chars themselves trust me! but its the way there sprites look. when they were in the cvs games they looked awesomeThere you go, that's exactly how I feel.
Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 18, 2008, 03:41:47 PM
I won't lie and say I like SNK better than Capcom :P Though I like SNK a lot as well (can't ya tell by my avatar.....?). What made Capcom better to me was the whole crossover genres with Marvel and all. I mean, that why I'm a member here. :P
SNK fighters are great, unique fighters, and I agree that it takes more dedication and skill to play with SNK fighters. Rock will always be one of my fav chars, ever since I had Garou: MOTW for my Dreamcast (Ah..... The memories....).
I'd guess maybe because it's more difficult to play with SNK fighters. And Capcom has a better appeal/popularity. Though I have a fair amount of SNK fighters in my mugen, along with Marvel, Capcom, and DBZ (Choujin/Stig 87's styled only :P). It's more for the preference of the player, and most just prefer Capcom over SNK. Though it doesn't make SNK fighters any less capable of holding their own in the fighting universe. ;)
now this is a way to disagree without bashing.
Post by: MaverickZr0 on February 18, 2008, 03:45:11 PM
Post by: Gigan X3 on February 18, 2008, 03:45:49 PM
Post by: [Asian-Jesus] on February 18, 2008, 04:30:26 PM
All I said was that their frames need more animation and their shading style could be improved. Nice to see them doing it in KOF XII, I don't think that's bashing.
You know, no one said *you* were bashing.
Post by: Gore Whore on February 18, 2008, 05:15:21 PM
I Appreciate KOF different Sprite Approach, If SNK's Sprites looked the same as Capcom's then it would loose part of what makes it unique. I like both SNK and Capcom Equally, Same applies for the Sprite Style, Capcom has a more Cartoony Style while SNK has the Realistic approach on their sprites, Both Kickass, It's just a matter of taste or what you are looking. :)
i liked samurai showdown 6 (tenka) sprites cause it didint have that (dark) shading that most snk games use.
the way i see it is...
when capcom "borrowed" snk chars to make cvs they came out looking clean and slick and good and fast game play
when snk "borrowed" capcom, they looked real realistic but there gameplay was incredebly slow, and all there moves are dumbed down.
i guess thats one thing snk and capcom are different. capcom chars hyper moves have been so over exaggerated huge lazers for example, it would be a lot more intense and more painful to watch. and snk would just be some small 3 hit combo with fire on your fists or just a speedy fire ball.
...those are examples...not bashing. i love both
**off topic**
but i want to see samurai showdown VS street fighter 8-}
Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 18, 2008, 05:19:45 PM
All I said was that their frames need more animation and their shading style could be improved. Nice to see them doing it in KOF XII, I don't think that's bashing.
I never thought you were bashing, no prob ;)
Post by: MaverickZr0 on February 18, 2008, 06:12:52 PM
M'kay, I was just clarifying.All I said was that their frames need more animation and their shading style could be improved. Nice to see them doing it in KOF XII, I don't think that's bashing.
You know, no one said *you* were bashing.
alright, cool :)All I said was that their frames need more animation and their shading style could be improved. Nice to see them doing it in KOF XII, I don't think that's bashing.
I never thought you were bashing, no prob ;)
Post by: Tenspeed on February 19, 2008, 11:24:48 PM
Post by: MuηkyMØÜf on February 20, 2008, 03:36:32 AM
Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 20, 2008, 05:27:42 AM
it always seemed to me that the more difficult the command for a move, the more rewarding it was in the SNK games, and I liked that. for example, a move thats only QCFx2+P isn't nearly as devistating as something like geese's deadly rave, which is pure input lunacy.
his deadly rave is easy, it's just timed button combinations, it's his rising storm thats a bee-otch
Post by: Gaijin on February 20, 2008, 02:52:57 PM
Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 20, 2008, 03:44:40 PM
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Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 23, 2008, 09:17:40 AM
as they did cvs2,it`s to increase the use of more "command friendly"characters like capcom`s <_<|...|
yeah, it was a swift kick in the nuts to SNK
Post by: Tenspeed on February 24, 2008, 11:32:27 PM
Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 25, 2008, 05:37:55 AM
yes, I'm sure that's EXACTLY why they did that...
you know Capcom isn't gonna make SNK characters show their own characters up
Post by: MuηkyMØÜf on February 25, 2008, 05:50:14 AM
But with SvC :-j
Post by: Tenspeed on February 25, 2008, 10:43:36 PM
yes, I'm sure that's EXACTLY why they did that...
you know Capcom isn't gonna make SNK characters show their own characters up
well yeah, putting lots of money into a very ambitious project that will in turn make tons of money is ALL about pride. I would purposely f**k up a lucrative money making opportunity in the face of not getting shown up too.
Post by: Tenspeed on February 25, 2008, 10:44:59 PM
I honestly thought that Capcom did pretty well with the SNK commands in CvS, b/c in SNK you have to have really good timing and do commands to the T. It seemed SNK specials/hypers were done just as easily as Capcom's.
But with SvC :-j
ALL of the timing was iffy in SVC. add the usual online lag to that, and you got one pissed off guile player here.
Post by: Kev The Galaxybender on February 26, 2008, 07:29:19 AM
yes, I'm sure that's EXACTLY why they did that...
you know Capcom isn't gonna make SNK characters show their own characters up
well yeah, putting lots of money into a very ambitious project that will in turn make tons of money is ALL about pride. I would purposely f**k up a lucrative money making opportunity in the face of not getting shown up too.
they didn't purposely mess up a business opportunity, no, but they made sure everything in the game Capcom sure was more attractive. I mean there are more Capcom fans than SNK fighting fans so all they needed to do was throw in SNK characters and do a decent job converting and people would still play it. I mean most of the best characters are Capcom characters. One of the best and cheapest grooves is C groove (roll canceling anyone?)
Capcom made sure they looked better is all I'm saying
Post by: MaverickZr0 on February 26, 2008, 11:17:10 PM
Post by: Tenspeed on February 27, 2008, 12:05:56 AM
Well, it was a Capcom game. SNK did the same with SvC to capcom characters.
sir, EVERYTHING was impossible to pull off in SVC...
Post by: Gore Whore on February 27, 2008, 12:22:31 PM
Well, it was a Capcom game. SNK did the same with SvC to capcom characters.
i thought they did a bad job doing street fighter chars... i admit snk made demetri look good!
Post by: MuηkyMØÜf on February 27, 2008, 05:38:11 PM
Well, it was a Capcom game. SNK did the same with SvC to capcom characters.
i thought they did a bad job doing street fighter chars... i admit snk made demetri look good!
agreed for Demitri but SNK still had shotty commands even with Capcom in SvC. I honestly thought they put them at a disadvantage and the slowed them down to the SNK pace. Capcom chars are so much faster. CvS was the better of the two all around and they made all chars relatively even.