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Title: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 04, 2016, 09:53:24 PM
I am working on DCL's Roll, under Laspacho request, to add the missing roll/dodge/powersets.

I know there are many other Rolls out there, so this is why I am making original moves for her.

The first one: Cute Spike
(http://i.imgur.com/vu5uCjs.png)
Works like Granademan's weapon - shoots a ball and each button controls the distance and the ball grows spikes to attack.
The heart is just to make it cute :)

I've edited a new pose for her shooting, so she won't repeat the same pose over and over.
(http://i.imgur.com/MfnEDpa.gif)

Looks ok?
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: laspacho on January 04, 2016, 09:57:40 PM
Looks excellent.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Rage on January 04, 2016, 10:03:03 PM
 ^^(PM)^
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 04, 2016, 10:04:23 PM
Should I use the 50% sized (previous) or the normal sized one?
(http://i.imgur.com/tjajc0I.png)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: laspacho on January 04, 2016, 10:08:28 PM
Use the first one at 50% sized.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 04, 2016, 10:48:07 PM
Thanks.
Second power set done - Drill arm
(http://i.imgur.com/A45wvP9.png)

I always wanted a dash-like move for Roll :)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: ExeLord on January 04, 2016, 11:27:12 PM
 :o that was unexpected!
Great moves :thumbsup: If you don't mind I'll share ideas crawled in my head seeing those...
She likes cooking so Pie Mine - step on it and you'll stuck. Bolt Shower - throw several bolts in not to high arc.
And her move from Powered Up could be good http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Roll_Swing (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Roll_Swing)  :-??
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on January 05, 2016, 01:11:09 AM
Ooh, another surprise from O Ilu ^^

Interesting ideas you have here
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 05, 2016, 02:19:42 AM
:o that was unexpected!
Great moves :thumbsup: If you don't mind I'll share ideas crawled in my head seeing those...
She likes cooking so Pie Mine - step on it and you'll stuck. Bolt Shower - throw several bolts in not to high arc.
And her move from Powered Up could be good http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Roll_Swing (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Roll_Swing)  :-??

You gave me an idea and I was going to make her use a hammer on a upper cut, but I failed at editing it :(

So I converted it into a 3-way upper cut. Each button controls the angle (almost foward, diagonal and upward)

(http://i.imgur.com/z26v2jh.png)

And thanks, HVA :)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: ExeLord on January 05, 2016, 03:46:52 AM
Hm, maybe Laspacho will come to the rescue and help with that? You came with nice alternative move, no worries there, but this leaves me wondering alternative for what move it is :D
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 05, 2016, 08:05:55 AM
It would be cool to add mostly joke weapons to her powersets, like weapons that are either useless or have very limited use.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Manic on January 05, 2016, 08:43:06 AM
I could make the broom attack if there's any form of reference from Tatsunoko, or similar to how some did for Zero with cut screenshots.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 05, 2016, 10:39:45 AM
Hm, maybe Laspacho will come to the rescue and help with that? You came with nice alternative move, no worries there, but this leaves me wondering alternative for what move it is :D

Here is. I don't like the way it finishes:
(http://i.imgur.com/V2dqq7N.gif)

It would be cool to add mostly joke weapons to her powersets, like weapons that are either useless or have very limited use.

I plan to add some jokes for 2 or 3 weapons.

I could make the broom attack if there's any form of reference from Tatsunoko, or similar to how some did for Zero with cut screenshots.

That would be cool. I've found a video
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYtTQ6Wsem8#)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: ExeLord on January 05, 2016, 12:54:07 PM
Not quite the same animation, but it was hard to remember game's name and find spritesheet, so hopefully it'll be of any use http://spritedatabase.net/file/10026 (http://spritedatabase.net/file/10026)
---
And this one, sadly no sprites of her...
http://youtu.be/vuTimH5bXO0 (http://youtu.be/vuTimH5bXO0)
The smaller they are, the bigger are their weapons...
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 05, 2016, 02:02:08 PM
 :TerryThanks for the reference, there are some good effects there.

Quote
It would be cool to add mostly joke weapons to her powersets, like weapons that are either useless or have very limited use.
Like this? Cleaner Spray
(http://i.imgur.com/5p4dWLz.png)

So far, she has 3 power sets (Cute Spike, Drill Arm, Power Punch), and I have plans for 2 more (a item dispenser using Flip Top and a vacuum cleaner). But I have some doubts about one of the moves.  While I like the drill arm edit, it could be cool if she rushes forward using the vacuum cleaner too (like she does with the broom in TvC). I can do it, just I don't know if I do it or not.

And it will be missing one more power set. Any ideas?  :-??
Just keep in mind that the move mechanic should be different from all the other attacks. I don't like to duplicate the same mechanic with just different sprites.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on January 05, 2016, 03:13:59 PM
How about she pulls out a spray bottle (window washer I guess) that can stun opponent
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 05, 2016, 03:19:58 PM
She already has a spray move, but I like the idea.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 05, 2016, 04:44:10 PM
I went ahead and made the vacuum cleaner rush attack, to replace the drill arm. She will slide while step over the vacuum cleaner
(http://i.imgur.com/yahYJkN.gif)

Thoughts? I've sprited many parts of the vacuum from the scratch, dunno if its ok.
Maybe I will add some turrents at vacuum side, so I can put some fire effects on it.

Edit: another pose
(http://i.imgur.com/NtfsBPX.gif)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Xenomic on January 05, 2016, 05:00:58 PM
Hmm! This is a very interesting and unique idea. I approve of this greatly! Wish more people tried things like this for existing characters heh. I can't think of much else for her myself, seeing asy ou already got a good chunk of ideas going here. ^^;

So are you only going to be doing the moves themselves? Nothing else like optional animations or the like?
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 05, 2016, 05:05:46 PM
Thanks! I was asked to make only the power set,so I will stick with that. But I am editing new things here and there.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: laspacho on January 05, 2016, 05:12:02 PM
Hm, maybe Laspacho will come to the rescue and help with that? You came with nice alternative move, no worries there, but this leaves me wondering alternative for what move it is :D

I was thinking about swinging the broom myself.
I did find the broom from MM Powered up.  I resized by 300% and it kinda looked ok..

(click to show/hide)

I like the power sets so far O ilu.  Very creative.  If you want to play with anything else besides the power sets, slide, and dodge your welcome to.  That stuff is just the minimum of what Roll needs to be RMM ready.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 05, 2016, 05:15:59 PM
Quote
I did find the broom from MM Powered up.
Ah you are right. I totally forgot about that. We could replace her standing fierce punch with this attack, so she has more variatons.
I think I will stick with just the power sets for now, since I still have a lot of things to do for RMM.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Rage on January 05, 2016, 05:18:22 PM
I went ahead and made the vacuum cleaner rush attack, to replace the drill arm. She will slide while step over the vacuum cleaner
(http://i.imgur.com/yahYJkN.gif)

Thoughts? I've sprited many parts of the vacuum from the scratch, dunno if its ok.
Maybe I will add some turrents at vacuum side, so I can put some fire effects on it.

Edit: another pose
(http://i.imgur.com/NtfsBPX.gif)
i like the second one...
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 05, 2016, 05:51:24 PM
Thanks, maybe I will use both.
Here is the animated version. I will add an fx for when the vacuum appears and it will beam out when the move finishes

(http://i.imgur.com/YXRcRkx.gif)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 05, 2016, 06:17:31 PM
Didn't she had a water bucket move in TvC? Could be a good addition to he powerset.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Rage on January 05, 2016, 06:28:57 PM
Thanks, maybe I will use both.
Here is the animated version. I will add an fx for when the vacuum appears and it will beam out when the move finishes

(http://i.imgur.com/YXRcRkx.gif)
make it a win pose
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 05, 2016, 06:42:48 PM
Didn't she had a water bucket move in TvC? Could be a good addition to he powerset.
Yes, she has it. This is what I use as inspiration for the cleaner spray.

Quote
make it a win pose
I thought the same! and then she will use the other animation.

I will record a video soon. The vacuum attack turned out pretty cool!
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Uche_of_IMT on January 05, 2016, 08:31:35 PM
I can't wait to see this video.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 06, 2016, 03:00:48 PM
Thanks. I will try to upload a video today.

Vacuum attack done
(http://i.imgur.com/CgUdYgD.png)

Power punch done
(http://i.imgur.com/YFPalHT.png)
(Maybe I will change the glove for something more funny).
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: boogerboy on January 06, 2016, 03:06:12 PM
Amazing! I never know Roll would have these kind of attacks, apart from her original moves in the MvC games.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: ExeLord on January 06, 2016, 11:11:51 PM
Sillyfying idea - make it mitten instead of glove and add additional input while executing move to grab toss down instead of punching like it's hot pan...

Yeah we'll build our own Roll with blackjack vacuum cleaner and broom :D
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 06, 2016, 11:31:44 PM
I thought to change the glove for a Metool :)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 07, 2016, 11:56:38 PM
So here is Roll. 6 original powersets. All the additional edits were made by me. Both players and enemies can get the itens.

Please forgive the drop of framerate, my notebook is overheating :(

http://youtu.be/LuEnF-4-Iz0 (http://youtu.be/LuEnF-4-Iz0)

Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on January 08, 2016, 12:35:51 AM
Interesting power ideas.

Out of curiosity, are you going to keep her MvC voice clips or use the Powered Up clips Lasp has
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 08, 2016, 12:37:09 AM
Its up to Laspacho to decide. She is done :)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: ExeLord on January 08, 2016, 02:16:38 AM
Great :thumbsup: watched video, she will be fun to play as :cool
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Rage on January 08, 2016, 06:25:18 AM
looks great, while your at it maybe you could balance her hypers.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: laspacho on January 08, 2016, 08:44:01 AM
Looks great.  I like what you did with the power sets.  Thank you for finishing her up.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 08, 2016, 12:00:58 PM
Thanks guys. I really had enjoyed working on her.
Btw, I will change her idle pose for a new one I've found at DeviantArt
(http://orig02.deviantart.net/dc5f/f/2014/269/7/a/roll_stand_animation_by_god_of_death_alex-d80kt8x.gif)

God of Death Alex, the author, already authorized us to use it.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: laspacho on January 08, 2016, 01:12:49 PM
Thanks guys. I really had enjoyed working on her.
Btw, I will change her idle pose for a new one I've found at DeviantArt
(http://orig02.deviantart.net/dc5f/f/2014/269/7/a/roll_stand_animation_by_god_of_death_alex-d80kt8x.gif)

God of Death Alex, the author, already authorized us to use it.

That's a real cool stance.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 08, 2016, 05:42:03 PM
Hey guys, Roll has some bugs that needs to be addressed:

* She keeps looping her intro until the match starts.
* Her Hyper Roll causes no damage.

Speaking of Hyper Roll, I was thinking about making a variation of it where instead of shooting she rushes forward with a barrage of punches. I did a small edit:

(http://i.imgur.com/4bF8gQ7.png)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 08, 2016, 05:50:11 PM
Which intro? I tested it now and its works. Keep in mind that your dropbox is uploading old stuff.
I saw the hyper bug, I will take a look. Fixed.

The idea is cool, but it would need more edits and it would be identical to the rush drill in mechanics.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 08, 2016, 06:03:14 PM
It's the intro where she does some kicks.

I got rid of the Dropbox crap already, don't know why it happened.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 08, 2016, 06:09:01 PM
Fixed.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Rage on January 08, 2016, 06:32:12 PM
did you balance all the hypers? there was that one that does no damage then there is one that does too much. Its the one where she turns red while comboing.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 08, 2016, 06:34:48 PM
I've toned down the Hyper Roll hyper move, because it was landing too much damage.
That move you mentioned its a LVL3 hyper, its intended to cause a lot of damage.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Rage on January 08, 2016, 10:34:14 PM
I've toned down the Hyper Roll hyper move, because it was landing too much damage.
That move you mentioned its a LVL3 hyper, its intended to cause a lot of damage.
Oh sorry i just checked it in practice and noticed it took more them 50% of the health lol
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 08, 2016, 11:21:09 PM
Mazerald made a cool edit in some frames, to give her the TvC look.
I loved it, but I won't edit all the sprites.
(http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/18/19/38/10/roll12.png)

The funny thing is: he had edited it over my edits and released as "open source"...
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: sky79 on January 09, 2016, 07:03:31 AM
Heh Heh, its cold, wet and I'm in a bad mood, but this little cutie just made me smile.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 09, 2016, 10:10:42 AM
Glad she helped you :)
I really liked that edit.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Toonwriter on January 09, 2016, 05:20:02 PM
Very impressive sprite sheet, I must say!

Think you could maybe use broomstick actions for Roll, including her riding and flying on it like a witch?

Also, what food sprites did you use for the Food Shield?
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 09, 2016, 05:47:19 PM
I dont want to convert to a full TvC version but Laspacho was going to edit the boom attack. There is a guy who wants to edit all the sprites to the TvC look.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Toonwriter on January 09, 2016, 06:06:44 PM
I understand. Anyway, like I asked, what food sprites did you use for Roll's Food Shield?
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 09, 2016, 06:11:10 PM
It came from a nintendo DS game.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Toonwriter on January 09, 2016, 06:33:50 PM
After doing some skimming through Spriters Resource, I found that the DS game you were referring to was Monster Tale. Very good move.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 09, 2016, 07:20:31 PM
Yeah, monster tale. Thanks for the name :)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Manic on January 09, 2016, 08:39:56 PM
Ahh is Laspacho going to do the broom attack now? I just got the iso for Tatsunoko vs Capcom and extracted some frames off of Dolphin for use since the video wasn't exactly the best quality.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: laspacho on January 09, 2016, 08:43:39 PM
If you want me to I can try to do a broom attack.  I haven't tried yet.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 09, 2016, 08:48:12 PM
Manic and Laspacho, please talk with each other :)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Manic on January 09, 2016, 09:11:30 PM
I would have to do some redrawing, what I have in mind is around 12 frames, might do less depending on where the attack is going to be used, so if it's a powerset or a normal attack, and if I will have to do the aerial version as well. Just lemme know, as well as Laspacho if you wanna help out. :)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 09, 2016, 09:12:40 PM
It would be used as a standing hard attack, to replace her standing strong punch.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: laspacho on January 10, 2016, 10:25:50 PM
I would have to do some redrawing, what I have in mind is around 12 frames, might do less depending on where the attack is going to be used, so if it's a powerset or a normal attack, and if I will have to do the aerial version as well. Just lemme know, as well as Laspacho if you wanna help out. :)

Right now I'm busy working on the Rmm Endings.  So feel free to work on the broom attack Manic.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Rage on January 18, 2016, 09:18:11 PM
http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Forum_345/index.php?topic=12453.msg527885;topicseen#new (http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Forum_345/index.php?topic=12453.msg527885;topicseen#new)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: jwilliams08 on January 22, 2016, 12:08:23 PM
Are you planning to replace the "Beat Up" Level 3 with the Level 3 from TvC?
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 22, 2016, 12:25:34 PM
I never saw TvC level 3 hyper, but I can take a look.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Manic on January 22, 2016, 11:21:32 PM
(http://puu.sh/mG9aS/b3709dbe50.png)

Wee bit of progress to show, still a bit from being finished though. Gotta get it into actual pixels and then coloring, etc.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Xenomic on January 22, 2016, 11:23:54 PM
By the by, if you guys want to use that shock for Roll that Rage linked to, by all means go for it. It is open-sourced, after all.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 22, 2016, 11:56:28 PM
By the by, if you guys want to use that shock for Roll that Rage linked to, by all means go for it. It is open-sourced, after all.

We will use it :)

(http://puu.sh/mG9aS/b3709dbe50.png)

Wee bit of progress to show, still a bit from being finished though. Gotta get it into actual pixels and then coloring, etc.

Pretty cool!
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: laspacho on January 23, 2016, 05:36:10 PM
Very cool!   ::salute::
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: jwilliams08 on January 23, 2016, 08:03:32 PM
I never saw TvC level 3 hyper, but I can take a look.
Here's a video where it's shown about 3 minutes and 53 seconds in. The first part of the move is a projectile since that isn't really specified.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: warecus on January 23, 2016, 10:28:00 PM
that is dope
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Manic on February 20, 2016, 06:29:46 AM
Been busy lately, but I'm still going to make the broom stuff, one frame down so far.. :-"
(http://i.imgur.com/r588gvX.png)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on February 20, 2016, 08:58:21 AM
Pretty good!
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on February 20, 2016, 10:16:58 AM
Looking excellent so far. This is definitely gonna make her stand out from all other Rolls.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Tyrannosuarex on February 20, 2016, 07:13:56 PM
Been busy lately, but I'm still going to make the broom stuff, one frame down so far.. :-"
(http://i.imgur.com/r588gvX.png)

nice, i really love TvC, roll is very annoying in that game
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on December 13, 2017, 11:38:31 AM
I recently went back to work on this character.
I realized that there was no artificial intelligence in her and I converted one of her special power sets (the upper with the boxing glove) into a common special.

So I need to create a new power set for her. I thought of something simple, like invoking some helpers, like Beat and Eddie.

Any ideas, just let me know.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Magma MK-II on December 13, 2017, 12:22:25 PM
I remember DG's Mega Man had quite a bunch of helpers, maybe you could use some.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on December 13, 2017, 12:23:35 PM
Nice catch. I will take a look on that. Its something like that I have in mind.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: NX-MEN on December 13, 2017, 02:58:18 PM
I like to see an update on her!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on December 13, 2017, 03:00:11 PM
I like to see an update on her!!  :thumbsup:
She will be available on the next RMM release :)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: ExeLord on December 13, 2017, 09:57:22 PM
There's a bunch of NES romhacks where MegaMan is replaced with Roll and Rush is replaced with Tango. Probably it'll be good to use that green robo-cat in this case too. His trademark attack is similar to Sonic's spin dash.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on December 14, 2017, 07:37:56 AM
I remember I saw a Tango edit somewhere.
But I will use DG's strikers. It will be faster.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: Magma MK-II on December 15, 2017, 12:26:10 PM
Have an icon: (https://i.imgur.com/6NMUDql.png)
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on December 15, 2017, 12:33:12 PM
Thanks, but I ended using Beat's face. I think its more recognizable.
She is almost done. I am just fine tuning her AI and she should be ready on this weekend.
Title: Re: Roll (Powersets)
Post by: O Ilusionista on December 15, 2017, 02:37:39 PM
Roll is finished.
Her AI is pretty competitive.

What is new:
- Replaced her Power Punch power set with Strike a Pose (Helper call). Each button calls a different helper (it's the same from DG's Megaman)
- Power Punch is a super move now. Acts as a anti-air move and can be done on air too. Each button controls the angle.
- Changed her Level 3 hyper command to QCF+PUNCH+KICK (same strength)
- New hyper move: Cute Bomb (QCB+KK). A fast activated projectile, very good to finish combos (the reason I've decided to change her AI). She will be open if missed though.

Unless something very bad happens, this is my last work for the next RMM release :)
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