Infinity MUGEN Team
IMT Projects => X-Men: Second Coming => Topic started by: ZVitor on March 27, 2013, 10:39:04 AM
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i saw last wolverine trailer...... so i should start to remake him soon, april, anyone have a plan to him? i dont tink he need a smart pallet or color fixes, but any ninja-like sprites resource is welcome.
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May I suggest a version of him in tank and jeans. You can do lots of cool palettes from that.
EDIT: Oh, darn. I thought you were talking about Wolverine :D
Sorry.
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i like your smart pal you seem to pick rich colors,...other than that how else would you update him?
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It would be nice to see Silver Samurai use normal size silver shurikens like the kind Deadpool, Elektra, Bullseye, and any martial artist would have. Also outside of the Capcom series, Silver Samurai has never used elemental powers. A teleportation hyper with katana strikes would be cool. Also in Xmen the game they did a great job with his voice.
21 - X-Men - The Game - Silver Samurai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quXYN51ZyvU#)
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Its a nice choice. I was thinking to make him too at the past, but I dropped that idea.
I like this outfit a lot
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2977/silversamuraibyrafaelra.png)
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I like it too ;) Like it more than the original palette, indeed. Good luck with him! %%-
( Offtopic: /:O O-ilusionista? It's hard to read the name but I'm good at geroglyphics :P )
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It would be nice to see Silver Samurai use normal size silver shurikens like the kind Deadpool, Elektra, Bullseye, and any martial artist would have.
no doubt, this is his worst thing at capcom version.
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i tink i will add the hanzo wood counter too, i added it to xsc psylocke, i just love this move.
Its a nice choice. I was thinking to make him too at the past, but I dropped that idea.
I like this outfit a lot
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2977/silversamuraibyrafaelra.png)
great costume.
split costume and metal looks great for his pallets, but i dont tink it is a must.
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Also in Xmen the game they did a great job with his voice.
21 - X-Men - The Game - Silver Samurai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quXYN51ZyvU#)
I might be wrong but isn't that the same dude who voiced him in Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon?
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It would be nice to see Silver Samurai use normal size silver shurikens
In fact, it would make more sense if the just DOESN'T uses shurikens, since Samurais NEVER uses it.
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In fact, it would make more sense if the just DOESN'T uses shurikens, since Samurais NEVER uses it.
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In fact, it would make more sense if the just DOESN'T uses shurikens, since Samurais NEVER uses it.
:lies: Silver Samurai used shurikens before numerous times lol.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ebar0159/Silver%20Samurai/th_10-1.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/ebar0159/media/Silver%20Samurai/10-1.jpg.html)(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ebar0159/Silver%20Samurai/th_11.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/ebar0159/media/Silver%20Samurai/11.jpg.html)
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:lies: Silver Samurai used shurikens before numerous times lol.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ebar0159/Silver%20Samurai/th_10-1.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/ebar0159/media/Silver%20Samurai/10-1.jpg.html)(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ebar0159/Silver%20Samurai/th_11.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/ebar0159/media/Silver%20Samurai/11.jpg.html)
His point is in any fiction he shouldn't use them cause samurai didn't use them.
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^^ Exactly. This is just ONE of the nonsenses which Marvel did with their comics. A Samurai using a Ninja weapon, which are his sworn enemies, its like the devil using a crucifix.
If you read Thor comics and knows just a little about Nordic Myth, you will be shocked. Marvel really smoked something illegal when was doing Thor comics.
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His point is in any fiction he shouldn't use them cause samurai didn't use them.
really? That's is not the opinion of many. Wikipedia even list shuriken as a weapon of Samurais.
Plenty of other sources list Shurikens as weapons of both ninjas and samurais. So yeah any simple search will reveal
that many more people consider them a legitimate weapon of Samurais.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuriken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuriken)
http://www.weapons-universe.com/Martial_Arts/Ninja/Ninja_Stars.shtml (http://www.weapons-universe.com/Martial_Arts/Ninja/Ninja_Stars.shtml)
Ninja Samurai Weapon: Shuriken - Video (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1817319/)
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Wow this is totally new to me (aside that Wikipedia isn't a trusted source to me).
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sams don't traditionally use them. like any kind of training i'm sure they are profiecient in the use. but it seems a little beneath them. it doesn't match. the sams have armor so they probably think ninjas can't harm them...so the ninjas use this and many other long range weapons more often because going toe to toe is probably not a odd in their favor. So it's just a matter who needs it more. sams are tanks and ninjas are snipers
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Wow this is totally new to me (aside that Wikipedia isn't a trusted source to me).
Same here. I consider my self a character artist. well versed in weaponry. I done reach on Ninja ans samurai alike and i've known them as an ninja weapons only. I know them to be misconstrued as an samurai weapon. Samurai laid there faith in there blade, the spirit of the blade. They draw there power from that.
my studies found them using:
Swords
chains/ some with small weights attached, a bladed scythe like weapon
cannons
spears/ often call poles tho usually blades on the ends
Bows
Blunt weapon tho not often
AND YES NEVER GO TO WIKIPEDIA o.O#
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Silver Samurai and Thor are works of fiction. it dosent matter if they are historically accurate or not. Most of the things in comics arent.
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I received a message from a friend of mine which is specialized on this stuff.
Yeah, samurais, on the beginning, had used shuirkens, which were made using 4 broken arrows. But after the feudal era, the weapon were considered "not honored", and they stopped to use it.
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yeah i just had to call up my cousin who is a Ninjutsu practitioner for 20 years and been studying the ways of the Samurai for about 10. What illu and Rage said are both on the money pretty much. The begining they did use those odd crafted version of a shuriken but Samurai do not believe in throwing away your weapons. Ninjutsu is trapping, poisoning and all derivatives of assassination techniques along with sword and hand to hand skills. the use of shurikens , smoke bombs, razor jacks and such other stuff that ninjas use are regarded as dishonorable trickery and not true combat since Ninjutsu weapons are designed for non up close combat but they do have a large cache of various weapons in their style for close combat.
The samurai adopts a "in your face and honorable combat' methodology which before the armor wearing wartime eras they primarily used their Katanas and their tantō ( small sword) as their main weapons. The only long range weapons they would carry on their person that they didnt mind throwing away were darts ( very small mini daggers ) that were easily made by either themselves or local blacksmiths in sets that they could carry concealed
or if was a specialist in archery they carried a bow and arrow set.
alot of this i knew but my cousin put alot more to me in perspective while on the phone a few ago. He tried to get me to convert from my style to his. NAHHHHHHHHHH! i am good. lol
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You guys do realize that the image we have of both samurai and ninjas today are just stereotypes.
Here:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Samurai (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Samurai)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ninja (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ninja)
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You guys do realize that the image we have of both samurai and ninjas today are just fiction.
yeah very true. cause i strill after 20 something years aint seen my cuz do anything like naruto or any of those crazy ninja flicks where they flying threw tree tops jumping from branch to branch like they got mini wings and coasting through the air. lol.
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in end i like the ideia of no shuriken.... that demand more creativity for his moves,
but im not sure yet, just like CToxin said:
Silver Samurai and Thor are works of fiction. it dosent matter if they are historically accurate or not. Most of the things in comics arent.
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If you wanna bring non-fiction into comics then you might as well just have them be comics lol
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in end i like the ideia of no shuriken.... that demand more creativity for his moves,
but im not sure yet, just like CToxin said:
you know what bro.. if you truly decide to take out him throwing the shuriken.. i would say if going to give him a projectile attack , try doing him thrown the dagger/darts things that they actually do have. :-?? but something to get creative with if want to and like the idea. Could even have an air version of it with him throwing it from the air at opponents .
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in end i like the ideia of no shuriken.... that demand more creativity for his moves,
but im not sure yet, just like CToxin said:
i reckon just wait for the movie there is bound to be some ideas to get from that
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Yeah and it will be interesting to see what the armor looks like.
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I DUNNO IF THIS TOPICS CLOSED OR NOT BUT HAVING A LONG LINEAGE LINE OF JAPANESE IN MY FAMILY AND MY GRANDFATHER LIVES IN OKINAWA,HE SAYS "SAMURAI NO USE SHURIKEN!,SHURIKEN CHINESE. SAMURAI HONORABLE NOT SNEAKY,THEY ARE WAY OF BUSHIDO!" LOL
HOPE THIS HELPS TO CLEAR UP THE "NINJA/SAMURAI" MIXUP
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yes but silver samurai is a villian, villians are sneaky >:D
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A Samurai using a Ninja weapon, which are his sworn enemies, its like the devil using a crucifix.
:| I remember when in the Last Samurai movie a group of ninjas attack the village and use shurikens as their principal weapon. They kill a lot of people even without fighting against them. In some point of the movie someone explains that samurais consider disrecpectful to use this kind of weapons because it could be used in the back, and samurais never fight like this. Ninjas are more special assassins
But this article in wikipedia tells right the opposite. I'm confused. @-)
I think a samurai only uses close combat weapons and arrows. bbut could be wrong. If any samurai is here reading, please tell us the truth ;)
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yes but silver samurai is a villian, villians are sneaky >:D
lol Yeah, that's the point that I was trying to make. He is only a Samurai by title only, he doesn't in most instances live up to their honor code. He has use poison darts, knives, and other weapons that true Samurai would find dishonorable.
Viper is also in the Wolverine movie and she is partners with Silver Samurai. She could be used in a hyper.
(http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/wolverine-Svetlana-Khodchenkova-hugh-jackman.jpg)
She will probably have green hair by the end of the movie. lol
by Tank
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(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7686/smartteste.png)
testing if smart pallet worth
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(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7686/smartteste.png)
testing if smart pallet worth
Not enough colors seperated <_<|...|
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(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7686/smartteste.png)
testing if smart pallet worth
If you're looking for smart pallet concepts, allow me to be of assistance! I've done shiite tons of research on ancient japan, and also played a ton of games with samurai in them, so I've got a pretty good concept for where the smart palleting could be. I'd just do it in my own sprite as an example, but I HATE using the Mac's version of paint, so I'd rather just write it out. I'll do my best to keep it easy to understand.
1 ) Underclothes like you already have done
2 ) Pauldrons and Fauld (Shoulder and Upper leg armor excluding the belt)
3 ) Helmet, Forearm, and Shin Guard Main pieces
4 ) Helmet Crest, Fauld Belt, Forearm and Shin Guard Accessory pieces (The rings on the edges and middle, think Kyo Kusanagi's gloves)
5 ) Chest piece
6 ) Chest piece's emblem
7 ) Hands
8 ) Lower face
9 ) Upper face (Mask)
You could combine a lot of these so that there wouldn't be as much, but these (in my personal opinion) would be the best groups for a smart pallet.
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How do you plan on changing up his moveset?
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im not looking for best smart pallet, just the easy enough for me.
How do you plan on changing up his moveset?
dont know yet.... movie should help, untild there i hope to have basics done.
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dont know yet.... movie should help, until there i hope to have basics done.
Understandable. It'd be interesting to see your take on the char
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im not looking for best smart pallet, just the easy enough for me.
I think you got the principe of smart palettes wrong <_<|...|
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im not looking for best smart pallet, just the easy enough for me.
If that's the case, leave the undershirt the same color, the underpants & the feet different colors.
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What about this? the right one have different color gauntlets
(http://i.imgur.com/gsOgtSj.gif)
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What about this? the right one have different color gauntlets
(http://i.imgur.com/gsOgtSj.gif)
Second one. Definitely the second one. It gives the most pallet options and could make for some cool designs.
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(http://i46.tinypic.com/oumvs4.png)
At right is failed attempt to make outfit Ilu likes with smart palette, failed because of circle on chest it's too low, at right is what Ralf suggested.
:-?? personally I think those won't be bad and not that hard:
- helm crest separated from helm;
- mask separated from helm;
- pauldrons and fauld separated from armor;
- fists separated from face colors;
- feet separated from underwear;
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that is VERY time consuming...
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Yeah, I know, boring rut - going through all sprites separating everything... That's why it's better be minimum of separated stuff. 8=| Yours isn't walk in the park either :D
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Where's Arkady when you need him
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Those smart palettes looking cool... even if it's more time consuming. :)
Also for new special moves let's keep in mind Capcom's shuriken it's kind his power mutant in a different form... he extends this energy in weapons to cut almost anything. Other weapons could be included in energy form.
A naginata comes to my mind.... not so sure if it's a samurai weapon now. :-??
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A naginata comes to my mind.... not so sure if it's a samurai weapon now. :-??
yes it is.. he could use that cause Samurai did use those during feudal japan era...still have them now. Chinese arts and even ninjas have them too.
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4 pages and he are not even a wip yet.....
after wondering about him, i decide not do any smart pallete, reasons:
- we can have some cool costumes with it, but all his comics cosutmes are just silver, so smart pallete will not really cover different costumes of comics
- he is one of few capcom chars without colors mergeds (exemple cyclops: skin+cosutme+hair)
- im not huge fan of him, will do because we plan to have all x chars around at one project-x game in a far future.
(but if someone want to do it, let me know before start to code, ark? jetthephoenix? acey?)
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Speaking of which, what exactly are Silver Samurai's mutant powers?
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http://marvel.wikia.com/Silver_Samurai (http://marvel.wikia.com/Silver_Samurai)
And he is not a bad guy, he is neutral
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I know that Silver Samurai's blade can slice through almost anything (adamantium included). Not really a mutant power. Don't really know if he has one.
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i thought his power was to super charge objects (a bit like gambit, but they don't explode) they hold form, but that's going off memory, and since he is wolverine arch enemy, i'd say he is a bad guy, (like saying sabretooth's neutral)
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http://marvel.wikia.com/Keniuchio_Harada_%28Earth-616%29 (http://marvel.wikia.com/Keniuchio_Harada_%28Earth-616%29)
Tachyon Field: Ability to generate a tachyon energy field from within his body. Though he can focus this energy through anything. He typically focuses this field through his sword, allowing it to cut through almost any substance.
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I know that Silver Samurai's blade can slice through almost anything (adamantium included). Not really a mutant power. Don't really know if he has one.
It wasn't the blade itself as much as the energy field he channeled through it (which was his mutant power). The teleportation was given by Viper, so you could make some sort of teleportation hyper using Viper?
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is viper ,the same hydra viper from avengers?
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is viper ,the same hydra viper from avengers?
Yes I believe Viper and Madam Hydra are one in the same
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cool, but how come the trailer has her blonde
(obviously marvel movie screenwriters don't care about authenticity :-@ )
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i thought his power was to super charge objects (a bit like gambit, but they don't explode) they hold form, but that's going off memory, and since he is wolverine arch enemy, i'd say he is a bad guy, (like saying sabretooth's neutral)
Yeah, he's definitely a bad guy.
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cool, but how come the trailer has her blonde
(obviously marvel movie screenwriters don't care about authenticity :-@ )
I assume her hair will turn green by the end of the movie.
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cool, but how come the trailer has her blonde
(obviously marvel movie screenwriters don't care about authenticity :-@ )
Bugged the crap out of me too.
(And it's Fox movie screenwriters.)
I assume her hair will turn green by the end of the movie.
Hope so.
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and since he is wolverine arch enemy, i'd say he is a bad guy
he is wolverine arch enemy, but this doesn't make it a bad guy. Sabretooth is a bit different (besides in AoA and in exiles, he is not a bad guy)
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Almost every villain in comic books (if they have been around long enough) has done something heroic or noble even if it just happens to serve their own goals. For instance Sandman who is usually portrayed as a villain, had a moment where he decided to leave crime and joined the Avengers. Eddie Brock as Venom went from trying to kill Spiderman and Mary Jane on multiple occassions to working with Spiderman in stopping Carnage, and as Anti-Venom he was more or less of a anti-hero.
Doom has on many times like during Secret Wars worked with heroes to stop a world wide threat even though I think everyone would consider him a villain. There are many others like Marrow, Magneto, who has been both an Xmen villain as well as an Xman.
I think any mercenary type like Deadpool, Elektra could be considered a villain at times but probably more described as an anti-hero, meaning basically they will kill anyone for enough money although they go after more bad guys.
My personal opinion is that I label a character as they are generally portrayed as. And generally Silver Samurai has been a villain although he has moments of acting heroic.
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^^(PM)^ that's why I said he is a villian, but again, uncle O is right, see he has a sense of honor that makes him stand out apart from other villians, and in most cases, is always in the wrong, not that its a testimant to use basis on, but there was a WATXM episode that portrayed him very well, it showed his attitude and the lengths he'll go to dis honor wolverine, when on the flip side if you read the new 10 anniversary of AoA you'll see the good guy version of him (but that doesn't count, coz its an alternate reality, therefore a different entity all together)
I like that Harada in AoA, maybe a pallets or a hyper move with that enormous sword would be a great idea, and Z I'll help but its best you create him first, then we'll have all the sprites to smart pallet, not just capcoms 400+ sprites and then also redo custom stuff after that, just be better to do it after as we will use much less in sprites (same goes for spiral for that matter) as I started a storm smart pallet a few months back, and I damn near made me collapse. (600+ sprites) I could only get through 15% maybe, trouble is capcom made way too many sprites that nowadays seem unessesary, there is about 20-30sprites just for her block, when 3-6 will do, so think about all those animations not needed plus overkill on extra sprites, just think its best to create the coded beta first, so all is there before adding any pallets changes
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see he has a sense of honor that makes him stand out apart from other villians
Yes, that is my point. Samurais have a code to live by. Which could be wrong for some, but its right for them.
About the moves, You could inspire yourself in Samurai Shodown.
Some ideas:
- Jubei Yagyu geiser from SS2, where he throws a projectile then throws a big geiser.
0:56 at this movie
Samurai Showdown 2 All Super Moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HumZQaf8df8#)
- Silver Samurai lacks an anti-air move. Again, Jubei have a nice upper.
- Ukyo tachibana have a hyper here he dashes and pass throught the enemies in high speed multiple times
2:00 at this movie
Samurai Showdown 3 All Super Moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVT2rW6MnRQ#)
- Silver Samurai have teleport abilities, thanks to his ring. So, he can have an hyper like MOrrigan or Galford, were he splits himself in too to attack. In fact, you would make it blink in front and in back, to avoid make clones
0:34 at this movie
Samurai Showdown 3 All Super Moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVT2rW6MnRQ#)
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Great ideas, I love the old samurai showdown
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He could have a hyper like Chaca in JoJo's Bizarre, where he dashes and strikes a single slash on the opponent.
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i saw last wolverine trailer...... so i should start to remake him soon, april, anyone have a plan to him? i dont tink he need a smart pallet or color fixes, but any ninja-like sprites resource is welcome.
A decade too late, but ive sorted out somewhat of a smart pallete for his face only, i did this coz of the new pics of him wearing a red dragon type mask, (any other sectioning off for a smart pallete would be super difficult.
Also made an updated verson of him from kongs IMT release that has most of what was talked about here.... i'll post it in a week, as im still checking out the bugs and adding new voices to his intros/outros
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A decade too late, but ive sorted out somewhat of a smart pallete for his face only, i did this coz of the new pics of him wearing a red dragon type mask, (any other sectioning off for a smart pallete would be super difficult.
Also made an updated verson of him from kongs IMT release that has most of what was talked about here.... i'll post it in a week, as im still checking out the bugs and adding new voices to his intros/outros
@Arkady wow, are you still around?
We gather more at Discord, see the link in the side bar ->
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@Arkady wow, are you still around?
We gather more at Discord, see the link in the side bar ->
Still around, here and there, working on new characters here and there
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Still around, here and there, working on new characters here and there
It's good to know about you again and also that you are planning something for a great comeback.
:)