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Title: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: kaledkalil on May 13, 2017, 10:43:58 PM
Hi there!

This is my first wip in a while, but she has been in the works for a couple of months right now. The title of the thread says it all, this is DC's Black Canary, but I'm using her Birds of Prey look.

All the basics are done and a special is done as well, since I'm not a coder this is the part that it's missing the most, so if anyone want to help it would be good.

As for now her palette has two options: the full black outfit and also her light blue style.

(http://i.imgur.com/uUl7PFN.png) (http://i.imgur.com/UC5V2M3.png)

Here are some images of her:

(http://i.imgur.com/Kcwa2r1.png) (http://i.imgur.com/gG06Ri1.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/G9xjt2d.png) (http://i.imgur.com/5RSSgmh.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/NrMkbHF.png) (http://i.imgur.com/QEuArC9.png)

Also, thanks ZVitor for letting me use Regina's sprites as a base for her.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: Uche_of_IMT on May 13, 2017, 10:53:22 PM
Can you make her move less like Cammy?
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: kaledkalil on May 13, 2017, 11:10:37 PM
Only her basics are "Cammy like", but she has Karin's moves as well. Her specials will be from different bases, as this one is from Cyclops:

(http://i.imgur.com/ici0McV.gif)
(The face is not good for the last frames, I'll fix it).
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: dev. on May 13, 2017, 11:14:25 PM
She looks great. We really need a Black Canary in mugen.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: warecus on May 13, 2017, 11:15:22 PM
she looks pretty dope...not completely sold on pony tail look but I support your justification
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: NX-MEN on May 14, 2017, 04:02:59 AM
Man she looks amazing and shes 1000 times better than that Crystal pall swap!!!  :o

Well done!! We really need her in Mugen!! :)

I will follow her progress!! Keep us informed and good luck on her!!  :thumbsup:

Btw I noticed that she is shorter than WW. WW is shorter than many Mugen chars so maybe u can try to make Black Canary taller in order to have a hight similar to other Mugen chars. :)
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: wucash000 on May 14, 2017, 04:28:03 AM
Its a best one that I saw. Wish you luck with her. You are pretty far with her if all basics are done. Waiting for her :)
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: metamutant on May 14, 2017, 08:09:28 AM
Now, this is a pleasant surprise. It's very cool that she has the stocking look and classic blue outfit. I think your color separation would also get close to her new 52 look as well.  I hope Zvitor or someone can give you the coding help you need. Good luck  :thumbsup:   
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: navs41 on May 14, 2017, 09:43:28 AM
Nicely done.

I hope you will consider using Remy as a base for her head (CvS is smaller than MvC) and changing the basics in the future. You can do a quick adjustment to the boots too (like what Intermission did for Charlie/Red Hood).
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on May 14, 2017, 10:00:06 AM
Btw I noticed that she is shorter than WW. WW is shorter than many Mugen chars so maybe u can try to make Black Canary taller in order to have a hight similar to other Mugen chars. :)
No she isn't. She's (Wonder Woman) about the right size compared to a lot of DC Mugen characters.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: kyoman on May 15, 2017, 11:28:24 AM
Nice look, good luck !
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: O Ilusionista on May 15, 2017, 12:45:15 PM
Hey, nice work! I liked her a lot.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: malevka2 on May 15, 2017, 01:26:51 PM
She looks great :Terry
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on May 15, 2017, 01:32:32 PM
I know it's probably early to ask, but are you planning on doing as far as voice clips go?
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: kaledkalil on May 16, 2017, 11:24:21 AM
Thank you guys for the feedback! If you have any ideas for specials and hyper moves, I would like to hear!

@NX-MEN She's indeed a little shorter than Wonder Woman, but thats her height anyway. Some animations give this illusion because of what she's doing (like her running animation), but overall she's pretty much everybody elses height.

@navs41 I'll change her boots for sure, adding those yellow parts and giving a better shape. As for the hair I don't have intentions to change for now, but who knows.

@HyperVoiceActing I got some voice clips from Justice League Heroes which seems to be her, and I think they are pretty cool. Probably gonna use them, or maybe the new voice from Injustice 2 (no way I'm gonna use DC Universe Online's voice, that's awful).

She has a screaming animation now:

(http://i.imgur.com/Tcn1AFS.png) (http://i.imgur.com/nTNbUSO.png)

Also, I forgot to add another wip that I have for now: DC's Fire!

She's one of my favorites characters from DC and I want to make a char that can match Buyog's Ice, which I think is a pretty good character.

For her I have pretty much all the specials and two hypers. The missing sprites are the basic attacks that I'm making from different characters since Rosemary doesn't have any.

Here are some images with attacks from Magneto, Jin Saotome, Storm and Pyron:

(http://i.imgur.com/oQ2QAMV.png) (http://i.imgur.com/F5rfkxL.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Tfetd7N.png) (http://i.imgur.com/F9jUNnu.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ewYgtpM.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Z4t7HUa.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/yVpfxM2.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Ibtbhi6.png)

To finish, here are their stance animation:

(http://i.imgur.com/2jSleOf.gif) (http://i.imgur.com/ViwBRRz.gif)

See ya!
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: NX-MEN on May 16, 2017, 11:41:54 AM
Man both look spectacular!!  :o

Nice effect for the Canary Cry!! Its the one I was expecting to see for her like Silver Banshee and Banshee!! :thumbsup:

Do u also plan to use attacks using her stick too??

Also a good intro/winpose or even hyper would be her riding her motorcycle! :)

Further your Fire is also amazing!! Good luck on her too!! I liked your screenshots!!  :w00t:

Keep up the good work!!  :)
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on May 16, 2017, 12:36:14 PM
Fire looks pretty nice, quite a bit better than most over attempts I've seen of her.

Although is it me, or does she seem really skinny compared to Ice?
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: warecus on May 16, 2017, 12:57:18 PM
All looks great...lone canary's idle

Though I hope you find new effects for scream...those rings are used for everything
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: navs41 on May 16, 2017, 01:49:34 PM
I like this Fire a lot, but she's too small :/
I am not exactly an accurate height fanboy, but I think she could use a couple more pixels.
Nice use of QBee!
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: metamutant on May 16, 2017, 02:54:59 PM
Fire does look a little small in width, but otherwise is great.

Your wips remind me of this clip from JLU.



Maybe a hyper move for Fire at 2:28 below where she is flying with green aura, and rams the opponent from one side to other a couple of times.

Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: verz36 on May 16, 2017, 02:59:48 PM
cool wips, good luck with them.  :)
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: helio on May 16, 2017, 03:09:02 PM
Wow!
I think Black Canary is the most required DC hero char in Mugen and this one of yours looks very good (despite I'd rather the old look).
As special moves suggestion, I'd say:
- Black Canary is a master in hand to hand combat, so a chain of punches and kicks would be suitable.
- A Green arrow helper would be useful too in order to not abuse of scream attacks.
- Of course, screams from several poses.
- A grab move where she screams right in the ear of the other fighter (probably with the other fighter laying on the ground in order to avoid a heights issue).
Best of luck!
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: wucash000 on May 16, 2017, 08:40:39 PM
Wow! Another quality character. I like fire stance not sure about canary. Try experiment, stand before mirror and do exactly same moves. What do you think?
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: dev. on May 16, 2017, 08:59:56 PM
Finally some nice DC wips.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: warecus on May 17, 2017, 03:05:25 AM
I love canary's stance

maybe it would help if she held still for a tick before twisting again
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary
Post by: Harbinger on May 17, 2017, 04:09:44 PM
 (http://i.imgur.com/F9jUNnu.png)
Is this Magneto based? I spent a while trying to think of the base until it hit me. Glad you're not using the standard bases. Awesome stuff. In her stance the left (our left) seems a bit thicker than her right. Nice use of Rosemary too, don't see her used much. Bet she's a pain for basic attacks though but looks like you've got that covered with other bases. Try looking at Tessa from Red Earth, although she's difficult to work with.

Canary looks cool, love the smart palette, although I always see her with the jacket and hair down, but that's personal preference. I would maybe slow her stance a bit, or have her pause on the extremes of the animation.
Agree that her DCUO voice is terrible.....Injustice 2 voice is cool though!

As for height.....Dinah is 5'4 and tiny according to DC so this size actually works better than I thought for her. Fire is 5'8 so she could do with being slightly bigger in some animations, like the QBee kick.

Good luck and I look forward to seeing them in action!

PS - Where did you suddenly appear from? These are really cool so far
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on May 17, 2017, 04:21:43 PM
I agree, the height for Canary doesn't really bother me. It's mainly the head you used, but I know you have a reason for this one.

What's your voice plans for Fire? I could find someone for you if you need
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: kaledkalil on May 18, 2017, 11:26:02 AM
Some of Fire's basics (from Rosemary) are indeed small right now, but I'll change when I start doing her color separated palette! :) Also, I will add two more frames to Canary's stance.
 
Thank you guys for the ideas! I don't want to add Green Arrow as a helper because he's already a mugen char, but I'm thinking of using Lady Blackhawk for some moves, maybe intro, I don't know yet.

@Harbinger Yes, it's from Magneto. I've been around since a long time, since the early 00s I think. I used to be a member on mugenBR/PĆ£odeMugen, and I was helping the second version of XFields/Eclipse's Project X (I did a couple of animations for their Emma Frost and a winning pose for Birdy back in the day). I was supposed to do Polaris, but I had some personal things do to and stopped the creating process. But it's good to be back :)

(http://i.imgur.com/WF55noo.png)

---

Fire has a strong kick animation now, from Ruby Heart.

(http://i.imgur.com/xcd24bQ.png)
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: NX-MEN on May 18, 2017, 02:27:29 PM
Man you really sprite nicely!! Good to hear of a Mugen return!! Especially of talented creators!!  :w00t:

Even after years people will always remember Mugen!! I had even had the chance to chat with Comedy Haha when he returned for a while!! :)

I like the design of your Polaris!! :)

Also X showed me sprites of the second version of Emma and I dig her look!! I prefered the second than the first as the design and colors where more Comic accurate!! Hope one day they continue that version!! :)

I am also against the idea of using Green Arrow as a helper!! :)
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: Uche_of_IMT on May 18, 2017, 04:46:33 PM
I didn't see that version of Emma Frost.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on May 18, 2017, 05:17:51 PM
Ooh, I didn't know you were a veteran.  Welcome back, man  :)

Also I like the idea for the kick, but I think either the lower body is too big or, again, the upper body's too small.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: daraku on May 18, 2017, 06:01:56 PM
 :o It's incredible your talent man! Very good sprites and excellent choice of bases, ehy guys stay tuned...crusaderCAST will back soon >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: O Ilusionista on May 18, 2017, 06:41:50 PM
Quote
I've been around since a long time, since the early 00s I think. I used to be a member on mugenBR/PĆ£odeMugen
Which was our nickname? Maybe I will remember of you.

I liked your work so far. My only concern is BC's idle animation. I think its a tad too fancy for her.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: MatreroG on May 21, 2017, 10:19:21 PM
Greats sprites! It's good to see new DC proyects. Good luck  %%-
Keep the hard work.  :)
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: Citizen on May 22, 2017, 10:19:54 AM
This Black Canary is beautiful! good job! I like the fact that you wanted to be original and add her pony tail : )
(it's been a long time since I saw her with a pony tail, it was only in Birds of Prey if I'm not wrong)
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: \-/o

And that Fire is also way too good!! Keep up the good work  XD||
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: kaledkalil on June 04, 2017, 07:58:31 PM
@O Ilusionista: It was just kaled kalil, and back then I was just a member, I did some stages here and there but nothing notorious.

Here are some news from Black Canary:

(http://i.imgur.com/o9R0iFk.gif)

And her two hyper attacks so far:

(http://i.imgur.com/os7RHUC.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/whDX5Gz.gif)

Obviously there are more frames for each movement, it's just the gif that's a little choppy.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: Topper on June 04, 2017, 08:21:45 PM
Amazing your work Black Canary  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: dev. on June 04, 2017, 08:50:05 PM
Nice stuff, man.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: warecus on June 04, 2017, 09:27:36 PM
what's most impressive is that she actually takes off the jacket instead of basically how batgirl takes off her civies...not a knock against batgirl Cyclops by Capcom does it the same way...but way man nice animation
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: metamutant on June 04, 2017, 09:33:37 PM
sprites look great and very fluid animation, nice moves
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: NX-MEN on June 05, 2017, 01:01:37 AM
Spectacular work man!! :)
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: daraku on June 06, 2017, 07:33:15 AM
wow cool dude....i love ur work....

keep ur work at high level and don't get me wrong

Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: kaledkalil on February 08, 2018, 10:01:42 PM
Hello everybody!

The girls are going well, I'm almost finish with Fire, which is my priority for right now. All the basics are done, some specials and hypers, but some things I need to fresh it up and make it better. So far she still has no voice sadly, this is still the biggest problem, but here is is a small preview of her in action:

Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: Uche_of_IMT on February 09, 2018, 12:12:54 AM
I'm glad to see that this isn't dead.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: metamutant on February 09, 2018, 06:36:26 AM
Very nice, and that intro is really hot pun intended lol. Seems like she will have some tough AI too. Can't wait to have her and Ice team up in my mugen. Thanks for the preview of her and Black Canary.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: Blagoy on February 09, 2018, 09:59:52 AM
Exelect work :Terry
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on February 09, 2018, 11:05:18 AM
Nice job on the two.

If you want I can scout out an actress for Fire
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: NX-MEN on February 09, 2018, 12:37:03 PM
Thats fantastic news man!! Its been some time since u showed progress and I thought u cancelled the projects! I am glad I was wrong!!  :w00t:

Fire looks awesome!! Nice attacks and I like her costumes!!  :w00t:

Keep it up man!! Good to see progress of Canary too!! I am waiting for both of them!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: Harbinger on February 09, 2018, 01:25:06 PM
Maybe this will give you inspiration for the voice

Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: dev. on February 09, 2018, 01:27:02 PM
Good stuff.  :)
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on February 09, 2018, 03:04:46 PM
Maybe this will give you inspiration for the voice


All due respect Tom, I think that voice is too young sounding for Fire

I actually do have the perfect actress in mind, but yeah I should wait and hear what kale has to say
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: sky79 on February 09, 2018, 03:31:03 PM
All due respect Tom, I think that voice is too young sounding for Fire

I actually do have the perfect actress in mind, but yeah I should wait and hear what kale has to say

She's Hispanic?   /:O

Well, thats new.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on February 09, 2018, 05:47:24 PM
She's Hispanic?   /:O

Well, thats new.
Yeah, she's always portrayed as Hispanic in animation and other media
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: dev. on February 09, 2018, 07:51:52 PM
Brazilian, if I'm not wrong.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: navs41 on February 10, 2018, 06:13:50 AM
Very nice use of Jin, QBee and Pyron :D

Maybe this will give you inspiration for the voice



Hahaha...
Awesome, yet... sounds nothing like a Brazilian accent :cool

Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: O Ilusionista on February 11, 2018, 02:12:45 PM
Very nice work with the edits.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: Z999 on February 14, 2018, 12:16:43 PM
Not too familiar with fire but that wip is really cool, nice variety of movements and some creative bases ^^
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: sky79 on February 17, 2018, 06:01:19 AM
Very nice use of Jin, QBee and Pyron :D

Hahaha...
Awesome, yet... sounds nothing like a Brazilian accent :cool

Call the Mugen Brazil boys........... one of them have to have a little sister  [-O<

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Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: O Ilusionista on February 17, 2018, 09:20:28 AM
Very nice use of Jin, QBee and Pyron :D

Hahaha...
Awesome, yet... sounds nothing like a Brazilian accent :cool




hahahaha I loled SO HARD when she said "BASTANTE" (Enough). I don't know a single brazilian which speaks that word in that way.
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: Loganfan on June 19, 2019, 06:59:34 PM
 :O*D Very cool Fire until now ( I wanted myself to do her a WIP in the past but never achieved ) but I would like to see her in fire mode too, maybe in a hyper or something, not just in an intro. Yup, she may speak in portuguese, cause she is brazilian, not hispanic. Keep the good work  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DC's Black Canary & Fire
Post by: Uche_of_IMT on June 21, 2019, 05:38:22 PM
Are these 2 being worked on?
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