Post by: Acey on July 08, 2013, 11:27:51 PM
Post by: Toxin97 on July 08, 2013, 11:30:37 PM
Post by: Acey on July 08, 2013, 11:36:25 PM
Post by: .Batzarro. on July 08, 2013, 11:42:21 PM
Post by: overlordnick on July 08, 2013, 11:46:33 PM
edit: oh, it's not actual money, that makes more sense
Post by: Toxin97 on July 09, 2013, 12:15:46 AM
Post by: Spidermew on August 14, 2013, 01:02:32 PM
So this apparently has blown up. Do they credit the creators at all or say where you can dl anything?
Post by: Dead Phoenix on August 14, 2013, 03:45:09 PM
So this apparently has blown up. Do they credit the creators at all or say where you can dl anything?
No credit is given, yet none is taken either. As far as I've seen in the stream chat, no one has linked to were you can DL any character or even the MUGEN program itself. I may be wrong since I've watched the stream about 4 times.
Didn't realize how broken a lot characters really were. Makes me sad to see good character lose to broken ones. DBZ characters are the worst too... One kamehameha wave kills when the other moves are garbage...wheres the balance in that?
Also there has been discussion of a AI maker who was credited by streamers who had passed. So I think if any credit is taken some of the viewers would at least stand up and call on it.
Post by: Acey on August 14, 2013, 05:18:40 PM
Also I've noticed that our downloads have increased since Mugen got it's own presence on Twitch so people are leaving those streams and searching for the content they like. I see it as just another form of advertising.
It's funny to see "Always bet on DBZ" enter the pantheon of FG talk as much as "Curleh Mustash" or "Salty".
Didn't realize how broken a lot characters really were.
Which is why Mugen was always the joke of the Fighting Game Community; broken stuff all over the place. I don't mind though because I know I make quality stuff. I think a middle ground is being reached now where people know there is good stuff out there.
Post by: Manic on August 14, 2013, 06:58:34 PM
Post by: DarkValentine on August 24, 2013, 10:09:44 PM
I could clearly see someone doing this, and it ends up on Saltybet.
Post by: O Ilusionista on August 24, 2013, 10:47:39 PM
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/mugen-guild-starter-pack-attack-regulation-a-a-prepacked-mugen-starter-kit-152919.0.html (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/mugen-guild-starter-pack-attack-regulation-a-a-prepacked-mugen-starter-kit-152919.0.html)
Post by: DarkValentine on August 25, 2013, 10:28:12 PM
Post by: Theendgamelv3 on August 28, 2013, 05:31:12 PM
Post by: Error Macro on August 29, 2013, 02:46:38 AM
The chat is hilarious cause it is so stupid. Basically the chat is apart of the appeal.Hell yeah it is. lol. That's one of the main reasons I drop in for this stream sometimes. I also love it when there's a character with AI that activates during betting time, like the Nicktoons character. Arnold throwing gum at the other character before the match begins is just too hilarious.
Post by: DarkValentine on September 01, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
And when I thought of the game that could make it happen, I thought of "Ring of Destruction: Slam Masters 2".
This is what I built up to now, as requested.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/149bgj9.jpg)
All that is missing, is an animated crowd, ref & cameramen. So I can get it up. It will be a public release, but it is also a requested release. Doing this has also given me ideas on how to better update the harbor court stage as well.
Post by: DizzyTheConquer on September 01, 2013, 10:23:09 PM
Post by: DarkValentine on September 01, 2013, 11:00:43 PM
Post by: Laharl on September 02, 2013, 04:28:43 AM
Post by: DarkValentine on September 02, 2013, 08:26:45 PM
you need something that says mexibeamed to id also reccomend changing where it says "welcome to the salt mines add a door or cave or something instead of the slot machine. as for darude that is not a joke salty endorses and the mods are trying to get that joke spam banned. soooo I don't reccomend that one.
See? This is why I asked in the stream if anything was missing XD. I have some caves on hand, so let me see what I can come up with.
As for the other thing, I made two layouts. one with, and one without. But I forgot to add it in as a second, optional layer. I'll just replace the current, with the other one. And change the text to Mexibeamed. I'll add "Clutch" to the other side as well.
Post by: Laharl on September 02, 2013, 08:36:36 PM
Post by: Darkflare on September 02, 2013, 08:38:22 PM
Post by: DarkValentine on September 02, 2013, 08:51:11 PM
Post by: Laharl on September 02, 2013, 09:06:24 PM
as for the texts lets see
something about tohou would work or "2hu" since people have no idea how its pronounced.
maybe "always bet swords"? thats used alot
im trying to come up with more.
could use "DU DU DU DU"
if you want to throw a reference to "yuri Di AAAAAA" that would be funny
Post by: DarkValentine on September 02, 2013, 09:08:29 PM
there being no cave is saddening maybe a door? with a pickaxe next to it or something?
as for the texts lets see
something about tohou would work or "2hu" since people have no idea how its pronounced.
maybe "always bet swords"? thats used alot
im trying to come up with more.
could use "DU DU DU DU"
if you want to throw a reference to "yuri Di AAAAAA" that would be funny
hmm....wouldn't DU DU DU DU be a reference to Sandstorm?
Post by: Laharl on September 02, 2013, 09:10:40 PM
Post by: DarkValentine on September 02, 2013, 09:12:46 PM
EDIT: LOL, This fits perfect under the text XD
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2w7jzt5.jpg)
Post by: Laharl on September 02, 2013, 09:23:54 PM
Post by: DarkValentine on September 02, 2013, 09:26:22 PM
Post by: Laharl on September 02, 2013, 09:27:57 PM
I just thought of something ever played earthworm jim on level ate with the salt shaker chasing you? what about using that.
Post by: DarkValentine on September 02, 2013, 09:41:31 PM
excellent going to be an amazing stage.
I just thought of something ever played earthworm jim on level ate with the salt shaker chasing you? what about using that.
Oh snap XD I need to find that, if there's a proper rip of it somewhere
Post by: Laharl on September 02, 2013, 09:44:56 PM
Post by: DarkValentine on September 02, 2013, 09:47:46 PM
You're a straight up genius. I'm doing everything you suggested now. I'll post what it will look like as the final product once it's all in.
I'm crediting you for the added stuff, when the update goes live.
Post by: Laharl on September 02, 2013, 09:49:42 PM
Post by: DarkValentine on September 02, 2013, 09:50:56 PM
lol idk about genius but thanks appreciate it.You're a genius for thinking of it, before I got a hold of it. Damn, a salt shaker pouring it on, in the middle of a match is pure win. XD
Post by: Laharl on September 02, 2013, 09:56:19 PM
Post by: DarkValentine on September 02, 2013, 10:02:17 PM
EDIT: This was posted on the video, for the stage release I made of the SaltyBet Casino
(http://i43.tinypic.com/xkooc9.jpg)
Anyone who has a tumblr page called "double pistols and my d***" really shouldn't talk, imo...XD
Post by: Laharl on September 02, 2013, 10:22:52 PM
also I might suggest zooming the stage out a bit? it looks a bit to close and the middle part of the salty icon looks kind of weird.
Post by: DarkValentine on September 02, 2013, 10:48:33 PM
im glad you think so too if you have any other stages and want some ideas let me know ill be glad to help. nvm found the link.
also I might suggest zooming the stage out a bit? it looks a bit to close and the middle part of the salty icon looks kind of weird.
That's as far back as the stage can go, without exposing the background color. I saw the issue with the SaltyBet logo, and I'm fixing that as we speak. Zooming it out would mean I would have to edit the stage to fit the zoom. I've tried zooming before making the majority of the edits. Let's just say, it didn't work too well :/
Post by: Laharl on September 02, 2013, 10:50:36 PM
Post by: DarkValentine on September 02, 2013, 10:52:51 PM
understandable fixing the logo would help im just concerned we won't be able to see the whole stage mainly the salt shaker most of the time.
Oh, don't worry, you'll be able to see the Salt Shaker. I've got my ways at changing the values, to make it be seen. It's just a matter of either putting it over the fighters, or over the crowd. I say it should be over the crowd. Since they are the ones losing out on those precious Bison Dollars XD
Post by: Laharl on September 02, 2013, 11:19:40 PM
Post by: DarkValentine on September 02, 2013, 11:27:58 PM
EDIT
I removed the SaltyBet logo, until I can find a way to make it match the graident & patterns on the center of the floor.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/30xhaww.jpg)
This is the 4th Revision
Post by: Laharl on September 03, 2013, 12:13:01 AM
Post by: DarkValentine on September 03, 2013, 12:14:07 AM
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 03, 2013, 03:51:29 AM
It's there for comedy and to laugh at everything; people aren't going to look at this and go, "Hey that's cool, let's look for good stuff." They're just going to stay put, watch more streams, and continue to laugh at us, the content creators, and never take anyone involved with it seriously as a result.
MUGEN's got a bad enough reputation as it is; this does not help at all. That's really all I have to say on the matter.
Post by: DarkValentine on September 03, 2013, 04:01:46 AM
It's only as bad as most make it out to be. And if it was really as serious as most say it would be, MUGEN would have been given the axe, after the debacle with SNK being buttholes about us creating characters with their IP's, and before that, when G4TV didn't know what MUGEN was, when it put up a video of Homer vs Peter (I clearly remember those issues). They died out quickly, and we're still standing. Bad rep and all. Hell, it REALLY would have been a problem, if Elecbyte had something to say, when they resurfaced. Yet, despite all the drama, we're still standing.
In fact, I wasn't the first person to go to Salty Bet. Acey started it first. Yeah, it's comedy, but that's as good as it gets with that.
I've been in there on the sidelines, helping to at least better educate those who actually want to know more. And most in the Salty Bet stream have taken my advice, and put some real thought process to their words & actions. a good 70% of the stream has started to take things more seriously because of it. They understand now that it's just a comedy to see what the stream does, rather than the characters. And if they have fun with CPU based battles, they'll know it as just that, and actually TRY better creations that were made by much better people.
Post by: Laharl on September 03, 2013, 08:56:47 AM
Post by: Acey on September 03, 2013, 10:48:18 AM
Saltybet is bad publicity. They're laughing at the broken creations; they do not care about quality unless it's crap.
It's there for comedy and to laugh at everything; people aren't going to look at this and go, "Hey that's cool, let's look for good stuff." They're just going to stay put, watch more streams, and continue to laugh at us, the content creators, and never take anyone involved with it seriously as a result.
MUGEN's got a bad enough reputation as it is; this does not help at all. That's really all I have to say on the matter.
I respectfully disagree. When I log into Saltybet the owner gives me a shot out and a portion of the chat users will comment on how they like my characters. We have also seen a continual growth in downloads and registered users since Saltybets (with over a million different views) started.
Yes, the broken aspect is highlighted, but that is what makes it an unexpected and fun experience. It's the OP-ness of the characters that really gets people interested.
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 03, 2013, 03:04:01 PM
Post by: Acey on September 03, 2013, 03:11:53 PM
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 03, 2013, 06:23:14 PM
However, while there may not be money to made from the engine itself, my experience with it has proved to be invaluable to me, as it has led me to discover my strengths as a programmer, which led to my current career choice. MUGEN is a stepping stone for me, but a very good one nonetheless, which I'm sure is the case for many others. As such, I do find it unfair that many coders for the engine appear to be looked down upon by others, regardless of how little it compares to creating an actual application in a modern programming language, but that's comparing apples to oranges for the most part.
Post by: DarkValentine on September 03, 2013, 08:47:41 PM
There can be money in it with the right team, barring the licensing and everything since Elecbyte doesn't seem to respond to those requests currently. There was that one game that used MUGEN's formats, so it likely used a modified IKEMEN or something of the sort; this is a game that sold for like $80 too, but I forget the name.
However, while there may not be money to made from the engine itself, my experience with it has proved to be invaluable to me, as it has led me to discover my strengths as a programmer, which led to my current career choice. MUGEN is a stepping stone for me, but a very good one nonetheless, which I'm sure is the case for many others. As such, I do find it unfair that many coders for the engine appear to be looked down upon by others, regardless of how little it compares to creating an actual application in a modern programming language, but that's comparing apples to oranges for the most part.
This is the very thing I was going to elaborate on. And let me explain why. Back in 2003, I was far into the Beats of Rage setting, and it was much more or less the same things that we face in the MUGEN community as a whole now. I ended up learning about MUGEN over at the DCEmulation forums, when some of the creations that are considered broken, started to first surface. Mugen-Infantry wasn't even in anyone's minds yet, and The Guild & Randomselect was at that point, the only known database that was legit. I was interested in MUGEN at the time, but nobody was informative enough to even sit down, and at least help me understand it. I was pretty much left to my own devices.
There were a LOT of people who had the mindset at that point, that the MUGEN community were nothing but elitists, that were too good to help anyone learn the inner workings of it, and was a community known to tell people to 'read the docs' all the time. There were a small number of people who actually wanted to help. When it came time to look at the community as a whole, most creators wondered why all the hate, when it was those that refused to explain much, that caused the backlash that we have been getting all this time.
I made a promise to myself from that point on, if I should step into the arena of creating something, I would be the person that was willing to help others along, where I either never got the help, or got turned down, due to "not reading the docs". I got my start years later, and never looked back. My stages may not be the best, but they appeal to a specific audience, and that's good enough for me. On top of the knowledge I came into the MUGEN community, from what I learned in the BOR Community, it allowed me to build my skills, while continuing to learn something new all the time. We all have learned something from the basics concepts and ways the engine can be used. And because of this, it has, as Jesuszilla said, became an experience that is invaluable. Anyone can do what we do, but it takes real determination to make it happen. And it takes practice to make what we do, shine above the rest.
To say that despite all the backlash, douchebaggery, and idiotic sensibilities we've encountered, faced and endured. To continue doing what has become a passion for us, and last this long, should really say something. I don't go by what the people outside of the community say. Because until those who are outside of the ranks of MUGEN actually take time, and create things like we do, then all arguments are 100% invalid.
Post by: Byronj on September 04, 2013, 02:29:53 AM
This is the very thing I was going to elaborate on. And let me explain why. Back in 2003, I was far into the Beats of Rage setting, and it was much more or less the same things that we face in the MUGEN community as a whole now. I ended up learning about MUGEN over at the DCEmulation forums, when some of the creations that are considered broken, started to first surface. Mugen-Infantry wasn't even in anyone's minds yet, and The Guild & Randomselect was at that point, the only known database that was legit. I was interested in MUGEN at the time, but nobody was informative enough to even sit down, and at least help me understand it. I was pretty much left to my own devices.
There were a LOT of people who had the mindset at that point, that the MUGEN community were nothing but elitists, that were too good to help anyone learn the inner workings of it, and was a community known to tell people to 'read the docs' all the time. There were a small number of people who actually wanted to help. When it came time to look at the community as a whole, most creators wondered why all the hate, when it was those that refused to explain much, that caused the backlash that we have been getting all this time.
I made a promise to myself from that point on, if I should step into the arena of creating something, I would be the person that was willing to help others along, where I either never got the help, or got turned down, due to "not reading the docs". I got my start years later, and never looked back. My stages may not be the best, but they appeal to a specific audience, and that's good enough for me. On top of the knowledge I came into the MUGEN community, from what I learned in the BOR Community, it allowed me to build my skills, while continuing to learn something new all the time. We all have learned something from the basics concepts and ways the engine can be used. And because of this, it has, as Jesuszilla said, became an experience that is invaluable. Anyone can do what we do, but it takes real determination to make it happen. And it takes practice to make what we do, shine above the rest.
To say that despite all the backlash, douchebaggery, and idiotic sensibilities we've encountered, faced and endured. To continue doing what has become a passion for us, and last this long, should really say something. I don't go by what the people outside of the community say. Because until those who are outside of the ranks of MUGEN actually take time, and create things like we do, then all arguments are 100% invalid.
Word ^^(PM)^
Post by: ExShadow on September 25, 2013, 02:37:22 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/xkooc9.jpg)lol wtf people these days
Post by: vio on August 31, 2014, 10:47:10 PM
You're right. The fighting game community historically ignores or has distaste for mugen. There's no money it in for the pros so right there it's a game for the layman. Then it requires so much work to get something out of the engine anyways, either by creating or gathering content. Anyone who tries to skip all that work just ends up with an OP, screwed up game such as that features on SaltyBet. So it has huge barries to get into the game anyways.
Thanks to saltybet I found out about mugen at the start of this month, while I agree there are a lot of op characters there they are not always like that. Saltybet actually has a tier system thats dependant on how good the characters are, P,B,A,S and X tier in order of how good they are. P tier are the worst of the worst characters out there and X tier are the most broken op characters. B tier are average characters while A and S tier are decent characters with good AI systems. A character in any of those tiers need to either win 10 rounds or lose 10 rounds to either be promoted or relegated to another tier. The only problem with A and S tiers are the characters with one hit KO's and so far I have at least 50 of them listed however that list may include some x tiers too as I didn't list them under tiers only by their names.
The betting system is fake cash, also called salty bucks which is kind of bad as its leading people into gambling more unless they have a good mind themselves and know the issues behind it so they wont fall into that hole. Saltybet does make some money from its viewers from those who pay a sub fee to help the guy who runs the site keep running it for some bonus's. access to a private forum, extra cash when you wipe out and the best part of it I saw was the arcade area which allows you to input the commands yourself to play as the character randomly selected for you to play, which nets you 10k salty bucks if you win.