Post by: Acey on March 21, 2013, 12:47:00 PM
Take the AvX survey by clicking here! (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TPQ2KNF)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on March 21, 2013, 12:55:15 PM
Post by: SorcererSupreme on March 21, 2013, 01:19:25 PM
Post by: C.R.O.M.-Mugen-Ninja on March 21, 2013, 01:33:33 PM
Nice survey btw! :w00t:
Post by: Toxin97 on March 21, 2013, 01:49:43 PM
Post by: warecus on March 21, 2013, 02:27:06 PM
Post by: DizzyTheConquer on March 21, 2013, 02:27:48 PM
Post by: Dragon of Courage on March 21, 2013, 02:40:00 PM
And now I want to include Magik, Gambit, Iron Fist and Hawkeye.
Post by: dev. on March 21, 2013, 02:42:21 PM
For future release I placed ''Hawkeye, Black Phanter and Iron Fist''^^(PM)^
Nice survey btw! :w00t:
Post by: C.R.O.M. - 有且只有一個 on March 21, 2013, 02:46:56 PM
Post by: boogerboy on March 21, 2013, 02:56:49 PM
Great survey man! :)
Post by: Acey on March 21, 2013, 03:14:28 PM
1) Did you know that you can set the game on a harder difficulty level and it actually works this time. Thanks Elecbyte for making variable AI an option in Mugen 1.0.
2) Knowing what you know now in #1, do you still want a more difficult boss on the default difficulty level 4 setting? Because honestly, all I have to do is change 2 lines of code for each of them to bump them up a notch (or two).
Post by: Uche_of_IMT on March 21, 2013, 03:21:39 PM
Post by: DeleFresh on March 21, 2013, 03:22:52 PM
We're getting a good buch of surveys back. One thing that stood out is in the priliminary is that the bosses were too easy.
1) Did you know that you can set the game on a harder difficulty level and it actually works this time. Thanks Elecbyte for making variable AI an option in Mugen 1.0.
2) Knowing what you know now in #1, do you still want a more difficult boss on the default difficulty level 4 setting? Because honestly, all I have to do is change 2 lines of code for each of them to bump them up a notch (or two).
:thumbsup: I think it would be a good idea to bump up the difficulty. I know I've beaten my fair share of SNK bosses - and as tough as they are, it make the replay value go up exponentially if its harder to beat the characters. KOF '96 is one of my favorite games because the developers made it so difficult to beat even the initial characters. And if we do want an easier boss - can we just switch to level 3/4 difficulty? If so, my vote is to bump up the difficulty.
Awesome game either way - the presentation is outstanding!!
^:)^
Post by: DizzyTheConquer on March 21, 2013, 03:51:07 PM
I'm making a video explaining what I think should be needed & what I think would be good practice.Scratch this out. Due to too much interference & time constraint I decided to just leave it to the survey.
Post by: Acey on March 21, 2013, 03:56:13 PM
@ Dizzy - it's the thought that counts.
Post by: moonmaster1 on March 21, 2013, 03:57:28 PM
I would love to see Cable and Captain Marvel take on a hidden character role.
(click to show/hide)
Post by: warecus on March 21, 2013, 04:00:28 PM
We're getting a good buch of surveys back. One thing that stood out is in the priliminary is that the bosses were too easy.
1) Did you know that you can set the game on a harder difficulty level and it actually works this time. Thanks Elecbyte for making variable AI an option in Mugen 1.0.
2) Knowing what you know now in #1, do you still want a more difficult boss on the default difficulty level 4 setting? Because honestly, all I have to do is change 2 lines of code for each of them to bump them up a notch (or two).
hey acey how do you do this with your personnel mugen...make it difficult without it being insane. not make ai 1
Post by: Acey on March 21, 2013, 04:10:59 PM
Step two, replace their AI activation code with this code:
Code: [Select]
[State -1, AI Activation]
type = varset
triggerall = AILevel > 1
triggerall = (roundstate = 2) && (var(59) = 0)
trigger1 = Random <= (ifelse(AILevel =1,40,(AILevel-2)*100))
v = 59
value = 1
[State -1, AI Deactivation]
type = varset
triggerall = AIlevel < 8
triggerall = var(59) = 1
trigger1 = Random > ((AILevel-2)*100)
trigger2 = roundstate != 2
v = 59
value = 0
[State -1, AI Dampiner]
type = ChangeState
triggerall = (roundstate = 2) && (var(59) != 0)
triggerall = Random > AILevel*100
triggerall = animtime = 0
triggerall = movetype != H
triggerall = ctrl
trigger1 = statetype = S && (stateno != [120,150]) && (stateno != 40)
trigger1 = stateno != [10,12]
value = 0
ctrl = 1
If you do that then the character will have a proper variable AI.
Post by: volzzilla on March 21, 2013, 04:14:33 PM
great idea with the survey btw.
off topic: acey, how can i change the full screen and resolution of my 640x480 screenpack to what you did with AvX? normally i dont like full screen, but i like how you did it. but there is more to it than just clicking the full screen option (i know, i tried that)
Post by: Acey on March 21, 2013, 04:17:10 PM
just for reference for everyone, the final question of the survey is not necessarily asking, "what characters should be added?"
great idea with the survey btw.
off topic: acey, how can i change the full screen and resolution of my 640x480 screenpack to what you did with AvX? normally i dont like full screen, but i like how you did it. but there is more to it than just clicking the full screen option (i know, i tried that)
Option 1) Press Alt + Enter to toggle between full screen mode and windowed mode
Option 2) Open the data/mugen.cfg and set "fullscreen=1"
That's all I know unless I misunderstood the question.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on March 21, 2013, 04:20:40 PM
Post by: BlackJack14 on March 21, 2013, 04:26:45 PM
Post by: Acey on March 21, 2013, 04:56:00 PM
Bit off topic: Wish Mugen 1.0 has Black bar cropping for full screen instead of stretching 4:3 across 16:9, unless it does that now and I don't know about it...
This is a wierd issue for me, on my TV at home it does the black bar on the sides but on my 2nd monitor at work it stretches it, same settings, different results.
Post by: warecus on March 21, 2013, 05:24:12 PM
Post by: Acey on March 21, 2013, 05:40:22 PM
hey ace i don't know if you did or not but scar witch has only one win animation and share it with her taunt, did you convert those sprites i sent you?
Check with ZVitor on that one.
Post by: warecus on March 21, 2013, 06:00:15 PM
Post by: Acey on March 21, 2013, 06:10:30 PM
so she doesn't have any for the game?
Check with ZVitor on that one.
Post by: volzzilla on March 21, 2013, 06:25:51 PM
btw, when i looked at the survey, avengers may have been typoed?
Post by: jethroyo on March 22, 2013, 03:59:37 PM
-I was really hoping the XSC characters would have something different in this game. At least each of them have 1 extra/new Hyper, that they did in the AvX comics.
-Phoenix able to do more then 2 moves. Bird needs some movements like swiping his wing, feet, landing crush, rocketing/flying around the stage with attacks (Like Master hand in Super Smash brothers)making it as hard as any other boss in MvC/MSH series.
Post by: theFuTur3 on March 22, 2013, 11:53:46 PM
Post by: warecus on March 23, 2013, 05:18:57 AM
Step one, have a character who has a very difficult AI (realistic but difficult).
Step two, replace their AI activation code with this code:Code: [Select][State -1, AI Activation]
type = varset
triggerall = AILevel > 1
triggerall = (roundstate = 2) && (var(59) = 0)
trigger1 = Random <= (ifelse(AILevel =1,40,(AILevel-2)*100))
v = 59
value = 1
[State -1, AI Deactivation]
type = varset
triggerall = AIlevel < 8
triggerall = var(59) = 1
trigger1 = Random > ((AILevel-2)*100)
trigger2 = roundstate != 2
v = 59
value = 0
[State -1, AI Dampiner]
type = ChangeState
triggerall = (roundstate = 2) && (var(59) != 0)
triggerall = Random > AILevel*100
triggerall = animtime = 0
triggerall = movetype != H
triggerall = ctrl
trigger1 = statetype = S && (stateno != [120,150]) && (stateno != 40)
trigger1 = stateno != [10,12]
value = 0
ctrl = 1
If you do that then the character will have a proper variable AI.
it didn't work
I got this
Error message: Trigger not valid for mugenversion of character: AILevel
Error parsing trigger1, 1
Error parsing [State -1, AI Activation]
Error in [Statedef -1]
Error in TheJoker.cmd
Error loading chars/ffchartest/ffchartest.def
Error loading p1
Library error message: Died parsing ifelse(AILevel =1,40,(AILevel
this is what it looked like after
; 2. State entry
; Don't remove the following line. It's required by the CMD standard.
[Statedef -1]
[State -1, AI Activation]
type = varset
triggerall = AILevel > 1
triggerall = (roundstate = 2) && (var(59) = 0)
trigger1 = Random <= (ifelse(AILevel =1,40,(AILevel-2)*100))
v = 59
value = 1
[State -1, AI Deactivation]
type = varset
triggerall = AIlevel < 8
triggerall = var(59) = 1
trigger1 = Random > ((AILevel-2)*100)
trigger2 = roundstate != 2
v = 59
value = 0
[State -1, AI Dampiner]
type = ChangeState
triggerall = (roundstate = 2) && (var(59) != 0)
triggerall = Random > AILevel*100
triggerall = animtime = 0
triggerall = movetype != H
triggerall = ctrl
trigger1 = statetype = S && (stateno != [120,150]) && (stateno != 40)
trigger1 = stateno != [10,12]
value = 0
ctrl = 1
this is what it looked like before
[State -1, AIActivate]
type = VarSet
triggerall = var(59) != 1
triggerall = RoundState != 3
trigger1 = command = "CPU1"
trigger2 = command = "CPU2"
trigger3 = command = "CPU3"
trigger4 = command = "CPU4"
trigger5 = command = "CPU5"
trigger6 = command = "CPU6"
trigger7 = command = "CPU7"
trigger8 = command = "CPU8"
trigger9 = command = "CPU9"
trigger10 = command = "CPU10"
trigger11 = command = "CPU11"
trigger12 = command = "CPU12"
trigger13 = command = "CPU13"
trigger14 = command = "CPU14"
trigger15 = command = "CPU15"
trigger16 = command = "CPU16"
trigger17 = command = "CPU17"
trigger18 = command = "CPU18"
trigger19 = command = "CPU19"
trigger20 = command = "CPU20"
trigger21 = command = "CPU21"
trigger22 = command = "CPU22"
trigger23 = command = "CPU23"
trigger24 = command = "CPU24"
trigger25 = command = "CPU25"
trigger26 = command = "CPU26"
trigger27 = command = "CPU27"
trigger28 = command = "CPU28"
trigger29 = command = "CPU29"
trigger30 = command = "CPU30"
var(59) = 1
what am i doing wrong
Post by: Arkady on March 23, 2013, 05:50:56 AM
that error comes up when the character is missing mugen 1.0 in the def file
Post by: Acey on March 23, 2013, 06:01:37 AM
Post by: warecus on March 23, 2013, 07:13:10 AM
now how do you do it with you guys' galactus...the one by excursion he doesn't have it in hi cmd the closest is this unless...
AI Trigger
[State -1, AI On]
type = VarSet
trigger1 = Command = "AI1"
trigger2 = Command = "AI2"
trigger3 = Command = "AI3"
trigger4 = Command = "AI4"
trigger5 = Command = "AI5"
trigger6 = Command = "AI6"
trigger7 = Command = "AI7"
trigger8 = Command = "AI8"
trigger9 = Command = "AI9"
trigger10 = Command = "AI10"
trigger11 = Command = "AI11"
trigger12 = Command = "AI12"
trigger13 = Command = "AI13"
trigger14 = Command = "AI14"
trigger15 = Command = "AI15"
trigger16 = Command = "AI16"
trigger17 = Command = "AI17"
trigger18 = Command = "AI18"
trigger19 = Command = "AI19"
trigger20 = Command = "AI20"
trigger21 = Command = "AI21"
trigger22 = Command = "AI22"
trigger23 = Command = "AI23"
trigger24 = Command = "AI24"
trigger25 = Command = "AI25"
trigger26 = Command = "AI26"
trigger27 = Command = "AI27"
trigger28 = Command = "AI28"
trigger29 = Command = "AI29"
trigger30 = Command = "AI30"
trigger31 = Command = "AI31"
trigger32 = Command = "AI32"
trigger33 = Command = "AI33"
trigger34 = Command = "AI34"
trigger35 = Command = "AI35"
trigger36 = Command = "AI36"
trigger37 = Command = "AI37"
trigger38 = Command = "AI38"
trigger39 = Command = "AI39"
trigger40 = Command = "AI40"
trigger41 = Command = "AI41"
v = 41
value = 1
Post by: RobiWanKen0bi on March 23, 2013, 09:16:54 AM
So anyway the game is absolutely amazing! I've played both XSC and AVX and there's a huge amount of improvement. What it really inspired me is the select menu. I was wondering, did you add a completely custom code, or did you use and modify one (or two) from defaults (e.g. "p1.cursor.active.anim" & "p1.cursor.done.anim")?
Post by: warecus on March 23, 2013, 09:22:03 AM
Post by: Darkflare on March 23, 2013, 08:36:42 PM
AIs also have it on official games as well.
Post by: Excahm on March 23, 2013, 09:03:28 PM
Also
For the Final Boss...
I was hoping for a armor code or something cuz Look odd that he can actually liedown after a strong hit imo.
Post by: Mr.Wingfeather on March 24, 2013, 01:33:06 AM
Post by: warecus on March 25, 2013, 08:13:43 AM
Or you could leard to play against AI that uses AI cheat since that's how they're programmed to do.
AIs also have it on official games as well.
yes to an extent but it gets a bit out of hand...they should at least input a move before it comes off. for example I made shadow cat hyper move only 1 click of time to pull off and the imput motion crazier than old skool king of fighters and she still was able to pull it off non stop...that's not skill that's cheap.
you can program anything anyway you want you can give the goombas in supermario brothers 25 hit points and clutter the screen with them. doesn't make it fun or mean you lack skill...it's broken and I move on. but mugen isn't like that and avsxmen isn't programed like that...if that's the case let acey up the ante as far as he can take it then see if it's about learning and if you continue to play. there has to be a fighting chance pun intended, if there isn't then what's the point.
Post by: Darkflare on March 25, 2013, 03:19:49 PM
you can program anything anyway you want you can give the goombas in supermario brothers 25 hit points and clutter the screen with them. doesn't make it fun or mean you lack skill...it's broken and I move on.What a silly comparison.
The only cheat the AI should be doing is not inputting the commands for it's specials.
Other than that, learn 2 play.
Post by: warecus on March 25, 2013, 04:09:57 PM
what's silly is all I asked for is some help or maybe a solution...and the response I get is a negative catch all.
well here is another silly comparison. I see you're getting errors for scarlet witch, my version of scarlet witch works just fine...if you get another error learn how to code.
rudeness doesn't help at all.
Post by: Acey on March 25, 2013, 04:31:44 PM
Post by: Darkflare on March 25, 2013, 04:47:15 PM
it's all a part of the play spamming is spamming...and you should know everybody doesn't code or implement ai the same for there chars...I play just fine.
Wait, when did we get to spamming?
Either way, the AI still has to follow the recovery the character has for his/her moves as well as any other rules required(Meter for supers, being in the air or ground, etc).
AIs not needing to input commands isn't really an issue. The AI still has to follow every other rule associated with the move it does.
Quote
well here is another silly comparison. I see you're getting errors for scarlet witch, my version of scarlet witch works just fine...if you get another error learn how to code.
Or I could just uncomment the offending line giving me the error so she works just fine. Which I did.
Nice try though.
Though, if you're telling me to learn to code, you clearly don't know who I am.
Post by: warecus on March 25, 2013, 05:06:14 PM
Post by: Arkady on March 25, 2013, 06:44:44 PM
Though, if you're telling me to learn to code, you clearly don't know who I am.
i actually don't know who you are, but i'm quite ok with that,
by that i mean i've been reading your feedback and its really in depth, and great, and i know acey has been bug testing/editing quite a bit lately since reading all the feedback, but there's kinda no need to state credit on who can and can't do what in the realm of mugen skills, i still consider myself a novice :-j
Post by: Darkflare on March 25, 2013, 10:27:18 PM
Generally, I prefer to give my feedback based on the perspective of a fighting game player than a Mugen coder.
It's just a shame that there are very few that go into detail in their feedback. Too many people are fine with "Oh, this char is great!" or "This char is terrible" without explaining why. That doesn't really help anyone in the long-run.
Post by: Acey on March 25, 2013, 11:28:25 PM
I know a few coding tricks, but my skill in it is pretty basic at most.
Generally, I prefer to give my feedback based on the perspective of a fighting game player than a Mugen coder.
It's just a shame that there are very few that go into detail in their feedback. Too many people are fine with "Oh, this char is great!" or "This char is terrible" without explaining why. That doesn't really help anyone in the long-run.
Well, there is nothing wrong with encouragement, and each user gives feedback according to their understanding of the mechanics/programming or their willingness to put in the time. Some people are just simply more capable of indepth feedback then others. It's always better to give productive feedback, but there is nothing wrong with just saying," thanks for all your hard work" too.
Post by: RobiWanKen0bi on March 26, 2013, 09:54:36 AM