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Title: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Arkady on November 28, 2012, 07:51:08 PM
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2448/bwrelease.gif)

I've been sweating for months on this, as have most of the creators involved in this WIP
now she is finally here, Natasha Romanov AKA the Black Widow

This is the first released creation completed from a New amazing Spriter named Nicotinefist, and also the Second released creation for resident Spriter Hypersonic92, also my upteenth release by now too, So please congratulate Nicotinefist in the hard work of conception and basically half the spritework done even before myself and hypersonic92 jumped on board, to help make this wip a reality

Kudos to PrimeOp, Zvitor & Loganir for helping this wip become a reality, and general guidance

http://mugenmultiverse.fanbb.net/t541-black-widow-v08-released#6266 (http://mugenmultiverse.fanbb.net/t541-black-widow-v08-released#6266)

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/981/mugen031.png)

(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5163/mugen012.png)

(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2476/mugen016l.png)

(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5569/releasedalphabw.gif)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Shadic54 on November 28, 2012, 07:56:35 PM
HURRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: dragonazul2009 on November 28, 2012, 08:08:12 PM
 [-O< its too good to be truth  :-SS

 :Terry
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: dragonazul2009 on November 28, 2012, 08:11:07 PM
 :w00t:  ^^(PM)^  :) esto esta EXELENTE!!!  :Terry
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: rafhot on November 28, 2012, 08:30:32 PM
great job team!
congratulations
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: WizzyWhipitWonderful on November 28, 2012, 08:49:09 PM
Congratulations!

A staff that works this hard definitely deserves some praise.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Beto on November 28, 2012, 08:55:32 PM
Very speed thanks  :Terry
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on November 28, 2012, 08:55:44 PM
Glad you guys like it. We worked hard on her and we have plenty more in store
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Shadic54 on November 28, 2012, 08:58:54 PM
Tested her out, and I thought it would be like the 0.9 version but better. Well done man!
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Beto on November 28, 2012, 09:09:14 PM
It is much like mystical, very good first release for next suggest clinging blows, jiu-jitsu, aikido and judo  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: dmsr on November 28, 2012, 09:46:45 PM
Good work guys! =D>
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: O Ilusionista on November 28, 2012, 09:55:21 PM
Feedback time:

+ Sprite work is very cool.
+ That spinning move is awesome.

- Misaligned sparks everywhere. Its a so basic thing that should be fixed asap.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img254/4418/mugen002.png)(http://imageshack.us/a/img51/5548/mugen003o.png)

- Something is strange on the standing weak kick (at her feet position)
- her boobies bounce on the stance, but not when she walks?
- weak standing punch anim is a tad too slow.
- Widows Bite (weak) is a bit slow. You can dodge it easily. Maybe you can make the projectile to not fire until you release the button
- Deadly Spin could be done like a chain move: you press QCF+K and she does the first attack, then QCF+K the second and so on.
- what is the difference betwenn Widows Bite and Widows Sting? Just the charge? you could combine the two moves togheter.
-Eat Lead spreads the bullets too much (in vertical), and sometimes just the firsts bulletes hits, where all the other misses

- Down the barrel have a misaligned explode
(http://i.imgur.com/YeAkH.png)

- Widows Dance needs to be remade. Its a kinda boring, lacking impact move, lasts too much time, have some errors (she hits with a crouched kick and the enemy tosses its head back?). Try to make it reacts for each blow in a different way (look at Bullseye, he has a move like that)

Overall, I liked it. The idea is very cool, but the execution is not, it could be better.

Congrats anyway, guys.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Nicotinefist on November 28, 2012, 10:17:30 PM
my first release, i'm happy now  :cool. Glad you guys like it. ilu, thanks for the feedback
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on November 28, 2012, 10:23:38 PM
I see what you mean about Widow's Dance. We'll see what we can do
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: dev. on November 29, 2012, 12:08:16 AM
Wasn't expecting this until Christmas. Thanks a lot. Downloading.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 29, 2012, 01:16:22 AM
The character is pretty good, but I think she should have more original moves (she still has too much moves from Mystique) and a better voice, I think C. Viper's would fit her nicely
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Mr.Wingfeather on November 29, 2012, 01:17:12 AM
Grudge Match tonight, Black Widow vs Mystique!! thanks a lot for this :D  ^-^
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on November 29, 2012, 01:22:04 AM
The character is pretty good, but I think she should have more original moves (she still has too much moves from Mystique) and a better voice, I think C. Viper's would fit her nicely
Voice suggestion was from ANC. I'll have to talk to him about this
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: C.R.O.M.-Mugen-Ninja on November 29, 2012, 02:10:09 AM
Holy crap!.. I was NOT expecting this  :o

I would have to try her when I get home! Thank's for the release  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Loganir on November 29, 2012, 04:32:08 AM
She`s way better than the version I tested, it`s cool you fixed the things I pointed before  :)
 
but some stuff I alredy told ya still are there.... why?
just to remember for the update:

- grab throw... still targetbind out of position and anim error pointed in debug

- Widows Bite aerial versions... fx  on bracelet align still appearing off her arms

- Deadly Spin medium.& strong versions.. still needs fixes on hittimes or a custom state...
after the first hit  the opponent can guard all other kick sequences.

- Widows Strike... i still think she shouldn`t be full invencible when going up.

- Widows Sting ... Oilu alredy pointed what I told ya, it`s basicly the same move of widows bite.
Also the charging is not working with weak and medium punch.
If you want to keep it like a different move you could add other function.
Like my dizzy suggestion with different startup... 
Or make it a venomous bullet...that drops a bit of health of the enemy for a limited time.

Well...  I told ya her hypers should be different of Mystique... people alredy suggesting this....
Mystique moveset fits the character but it doesn`t need to be exaclty the same thing. ;)

Also I thought you guys going to release her only on Christmas with that cool  surprise :)

But anyway...  she`s a lovely (and dangerous) russian babe, just like in comic books.
Congratulations for the release guys!
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: brucewayne74 on November 29, 2012, 04:56:54 AM
great surprise  ^^(PM)^

thanks
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Harbinger on November 29, 2012, 06:40:57 AM
Well this is certainly a surprise. Nice work guys. Not going to focus on gameplay feedback as others have it covered.

Nice to see the medium crouch kick is Urien based! And really fond of the Chun Li style special, very cool.
There are a few stray pixels in her forward walk though on her shoulders on her default palette. Same with her nose when she blows a kiss.
Smart pal is a great idea and allows for a lot of options.
Although part of me dislikes the use of Psylocke as a base, I think because it creates a difference in her size. Compare he forward jump to her neutral jump, she has changed size, I know it's only minor and maybe a bit petty but it's a pet hate of mine.
Using Rose is great, she's very underused and some of her attacks fit great. If you want I could outline some attacks from Sonya from MK9, for a future update it you guys want.

I also have ripped all the sounds of her from MUA (PSP) version if you want them. She has a russian accent in them. Let me know and I'll send them to you guys. (I have recently learned how to rip all the voices from the Xmen legends and the MUA games)

Oh and most importantly, congrats on the release!
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: verz36 on November 29, 2012, 06:43:18 AM
nice surprise guys.. i tested her out and basically what ilu and loganir said needs to be taken care.. she plays good and defenetly needs more original stuff.. so many female characters to get moves from so it should not be hard to make few more animations.. so far its a good release and hoping to see updates soon.. congratz again to all who work on this one..


 @loganir.. i sent you an email bud...
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: O Ilusionista on November 29, 2012, 07:32:15 AM
Quote
Nice to see the medium crouch kick is Urien based!
Second that

Quote
If you want I could outline some attacks from Sonya from MK9, for a future update it you guys want.
That upward Bicycle kick could really fits her
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Bizarro_Toro on November 29, 2012, 08:12:10 AM
its a good sprite work.... the proportionof the body in some sprites change but bit need a retouch only..
the work on female body in some times is more difficult but she look nice again good job i gonna follow the progress on her
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Arkady on November 29, 2012, 08:59:17 AM
hey mugen fans, i released this version with updates in mind (hence th v0.8) so dont panic there is more hypers for her. (one more actually there just not ready yet)

i had read loganir's list of issues, i gotta tell you it was very long, and i checked off as many as i could, and im pretty sure that i have fogotten some, thanks to uncle oillu,  for pointing them out, ill mend the issues asap (cant do it now with work at the moment)  but i will do it,
thanks for the support, will check in later
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on November 29, 2012, 09:56:52 AM
I also have ripped all the sounds of her from MUA (PSP) version if you want them. She has a russian accent in them. Let me know and I'll send them to you guys. (I have recently learned how to rip all the voices from the Xmen legends and the MUA games)
YES  :)

This was what I originally wanted for Widow but I couldn't find the rips anywhere. High props to ya, Tom  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Harbinger on November 29, 2012, 10:15:55 AM
YES  :)

This was what I originally wanted for Widow but I couldn't find the rips anywhere. High props to ya, Tom  :thumbsup:

I shall send them to you when I get home from work in a few hours. May I ask what her current voice is? I recognise it......
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: D.Magician(Ky) on November 29, 2012, 01:00:02 PM
Big fan of Black Widow, so I was surprised that she was released. I made her a new small portrait. It needs some touching up, but I'm preoccupied with other things at the moment.

(http://i.imgur.com/lV7U9.png)

I also found a better big portrait as well.

(http://i.imgur.com/CISg9.png)
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on November 29, 2012, 01:16:13 PM
DL time! i didnt know she was released!  congrats on the release guys, gonna take BW for a lil test drive. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on November 29, 2012, 01:41:21 PM
I shall send them to you when I get home from work in a few hours. May I ask what her current voice is? I recognise it......
Female gunner character from DFO, a korean MMO sidescroller. ANC ripped the voice for us, he said it'd fit.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: warecus on November 29, 2012, 01:45:14 PM
it think it does, just needs to be louder and sometimes the voices cut off.

other than bugs already mentioned.  Man Loganir and O ilu really have a eye for detail.  the throw does need a fix.

but all you guys working on this, ya'll you guys just keep getting better and better I love this char and her palletes

thank you so much
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on November 29, 2012, 01:46:37 PM
I'll try and thin out the Psylocke sprites as well. In which animations is it more noticeable than most?
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: verz36 on November 29, 2012, 03:17:47 PM
hey i noticed something maybe its just me but on the ak 47 move the bullets shoot forwards and then go down and up but the gun stay pointing out straight, i think this needs to be angle down and up so it can look better when the bullets go on angle down and up.. she lloks really nice and i hope you guys take care of the things that need attention... looking forwards for more stuff on widow..
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on November 29, 2012, 03:33:47 PM
Don't worry, we will.

I think in addition to fixing the bullets problem, we should make an air version of the hyper. I have the sprites for it (sans the beginning sprites)
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: darkgeist on November 29, 2012, 03:56:23 PM
id definetly would like to help out with the sounds if you guys wanted me to
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on November 29, 2012, 05:12:54 PM
id definetly would like to help out with the sounds if you guys wanted me to
Well we already received the sounds Harbinger sent us and we're using them in the update. Thanks anyway
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: verz36 on November 29, 2012, 05:29:11 PM
Don't worry, we will.

I think in addition to fixing the bullets problem, we should make an air version of the hyper. I have the sprites for it (sans the beginning sprites)

yeah thats a good idea.. if i remember correct i seen her using rope to swing around, maybe you guys can make something using this like a special or hyper.. still she came out pretty cool.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on November 29, 2012, 06:02:02 PM
yeah thats a good idea.. if i remember correct i seen her using rope to swing around, maybe you guys can make something using this like a special or hyper.. still she came out pretty cool.
You refering to the rope she uses in her intro or the Widow's Line she uses as her air dash? I actually did want to make a special for the Widow's Line similar to (U)MvC3 Spidey's Web Zip special
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Arkady on November 29, 2012, 06:18:37 PM
write that down  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: lp on November 29, 2012, 06:34:27 PM
downloading now!  ^^(PM)^
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on November 29, 2012, 06:35:09 PM
write that down  :thumbsup:
Already did
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Playing Enemy on November 29, 2012, 07:58:08 PM
Just throwing this out there cause it looks cool in my head, is if for a hyper, you had her call in an airstrike from Agent Coulson like how he threatens to level the city block in the Avengers movie at the beginning-ish. It would be a cool hyper cause it would give you more of the feeling that she's part of a team, such as The Avengers/Shield, and it would add more variety to her moveset cause it would be a good anti-air attack.  :-?? Also, another special you could add, is a Marrow style move where she jumps on the opponent and stabs two knives in the tops of their shoulders. Widow does that in the Avengers movie when she's catching a ride from one of the flying Shitari, and it looked pretty damn cool. You could make it to where she could catch jumping opponents with it too which would be pretty sweet. Lastly, a KoF or SF3 style parry system would fit her very nicely. It almost seems wrong for her not to have one. If your familiar with the character Kuando by Aiduzzi, with his parry system, if you hit a button while parrying a move, he'll grab the opponent or hit them with a counter attack like a backfist.
This isn't a "you should make a move where" list, these are all just to give you guys some more ideas to make her even more...her. You can run with the ideas or run from them. So far I love what you guys have done with her though, she has tons of potential. Thanks for putting in all the hard work and effort.  ::salute::
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Macaulyn97 on November 29, 2012, 07:59:42 PM
I've just uploaded a video with her.

MUGEN |\/| Black Widow (me) VS Ten (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMzZA9IxkKk#)
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: I-Skorp-I on November 30, 2012, 12:53:11 PM
If i may ask who all does she interact with?(special intro)
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: darkgeist on November 30, 2012, 01:08:05 PM
 just throwing another idea out there maybe for the sniper special could have like a bullet time effect so its easier to shoot p2, kinda loke zvitors spidey sense hyper
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on November 30, 2012, 01:45:01 PM
If i may ask who all does she interact with?(special intro)
No one at the moment. I'll see if Ark wants to add special intros
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Arkady on November 30, 2012, 05:24:50 PM
No one at the moment. I'll see if Ark wants to add special intros

yeah not into doing that, might do something for hawkeye or daredevil one day but that's really not a big issue

here's the updated walk back
(http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/2046/walkbackimproved.gif)
 
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: I-Skorp-I on December 01, 2012, 03:43:54 AM
yeah not into doing that, might do something for hawkeye or daredevil one day but that's really not a big issue

here's the updated walk back
(http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/2046/walkbackimproved.gif)


 o.O#.....Every marvel/DC char should have a special intro..to tell you the truth every mugen char should have a special intro it adds flavor to the game play of mugen
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 01, 2012, 03:49:46 AM
o.O#.....Every marvel/DC char should have a special intro..to tell you the truth every mugen char should have a special intro it adds flavor to the game play of mugen
I think you might be exaggerating there. Not EVERY char has to have them. In fact here's a short list of excellent chars without them:
* Rogue by Acey
* Spawn by Arelquin
* Rorschach by Sean Alty
* Protoman by Lasp
* Mystique by ZVitor

It's not like a mandatory thing for MUGEN chars to have
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: I-Skorp-I on December 01, 2012, 03:56:13 AM
I think you might be exaggerating there. Not EVERY char has to have them. In fact here's a short list of excellent chars without them:
* Rogue by Acey
* Spawn by Arelquin
* Rorschach by Sean Alty
* Protoman by Lasp
* Mystique by ZVitor

It's not like a mandatory thing for MUGEN chars to have

Well it should be. All of them chars should have intros -.- it makes mugen alil more boring for me cause that's mostly all i do is put chars against each other to see if they got a special intro with anyone..when i play my friends they stay askin me if the chars have special intro or not :/
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Arkady on December 01, 2012, 03:59:43 AM
you know im not fussed regarding special intros, i had done one once for havok (vs wolvie)  they are not that hard to set up,  but to say every character (comicbook) must? its really upto the creator
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 01, 2012, 04:01:19 AM
Take it up with them if you want them to have special intros. I like them too, but the effort it'd take to make a special intro could be better spend on more important things like fixes or new attacks
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: I-Skorp-I on December 01, 2012, 04:03:12 AM
you know im not fussed regarding special intros, i had done one once for havok (vs wolvie)  they are not that hard to set up,  but to say every character (comicbook) must? its really upto the creator

Now don't get me wrong im not askin that all chars should have 1 for EVERY other chars that's a bit outrageous im just sayin that they should have 1 for the chars that they know in comics or in movies for example: batmans main enemy is joker and his main partner is robin so you would think that they would have a special intro together you know? not sayin batman should have 1 for everybody in DC cause that's askin for to much but black widow should atleast have 1 for someone she is close to in marvel
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: I-Skorp-I on December 01, 2012, 04:04:44 AM
Take it up with them if you want them to have special intros. I like them too, but the effort it'd take to make a special intro could be better spend on more important things like fixes or new attacks

Well im sayin it should atleast be a last min resort after all the fixes and stuff are done
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Dragon of Courage on December 02, 2012, 05:57:29 PM
Any plans for the upgrades?
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 02, 2012, 05:59:39 PM
Outside of the a new hyper, it's mainly code polishing and sprite fixes.

... or is it  ^-^
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: theFuTur3 on December 03, 2012, 01:20:52 AM
great job on her guys...Arch your works are always good in my book  :Terry
Nico congrats on your first release...the sprites look amazing  :Terry
Hyper this is what your second release i think...kitty being the first? u have a nat for detail and good character selection...looking forward to the update

no feedback cuz all is said by O n logan  :Terry

and Arch is that your Luke Cage in Nico's sig...?! he looks great!!! cant wait for the update!
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 03, 2012, 06:57:23 AM
and Arch is that your Luke Cage in Nico's sig...?! he looks great!!! cant wait for the update!
Yeah, Nico's helping him on the Luke update
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: sky79 on December 03, 2012, 11:34:19 AM
Take it up with them if you want them to have special intros. I like them too, but the effort it'd take to make a special intro could be better spend on more important things like fixes or new attacks

Agreed, people barrow from Cammy/psylocke/Rogue far to much.

I can't sprite right now, But, if you are serious about making special intros, I've some simple codes you can copy/paste if you wish. Beyond that, it's a dirt easy thing to do.  3 should do the job-

Friends:Quick smile and wave.
Foes: Back turned, 'cocks' gun.
Nick Fury: SALUTE!

Think it over, if you're interested, PM me  :)
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 03, 2012, 12:21:46 PM
Uh ... okay.

We can't even do the Nick Fury intro cause he hasn't been made yet
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: I-Skorp-I on December 03, 2012, 01:07:36 PM
Uh ... okay.

We can't even do the Nick Fury intro cause he hasn't been made yet

Actually a nick fury has been made but he is in need of SERIOUS updates and bug fixs i can PM you a link of him if you like?]/color]
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 03, 2012, 01:29:34 PM
That won't be necessary.

At the moment, all we're focusing on are sprite fixes, code polishing, and the new SHIELD hyper
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Mach25 on December 03, 2012, 02:35:19 PM
I remember someone said something about wanting her to combo better. I offer my services. I can make her a comboing monster (for the player). Moving and fighting fast and hard is my specialty. PM me if you want an example of what I can do.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: I-Skorp-I on December 03, 2012, 02:38:14 PM
That won't be necessary.

At the moment, all we're focusing on are sprite fixes, code polishing, and the new SHIELD hyper

Right i understand bruh well i ain't found any problems with black widow as of yet except for some misaligned hit sparks which ain't that big of a deal (well to me anyway) so other then that your good 8)
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Infinite Power on December 05, 2012, 10:02:36 PM
You guys should stop rushing to release a beta. I know a few of you already have a few beta's out there. It would be cool if guys also started fixing up those older betas. I think you guys have some talented spriters on your team, but IMO you should take more time when making these characters.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 05, 2012, 10:16:40 PM
Well with Widow we were actually working on a deadline. She's a part of the AvX project and she needed to get done if she was gonna be in the game
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Infinite Power on December 05, 2012, 11:33:28 PM
Well with Widow we were actually working on a deadline. She's a part of the AvX project and she needed to get done if she was gonna be in the game
But she doesn't feel done/complete, Deadlines are crazy sometimes, and sometime necessary. But when characters are rushed for a full game, it might end up making your the full game feel like beta.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 05, 2012, 11:45:07 PM
Don't worry, we're already ironing out all the issues
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: sky79 on December 06, 2012, 07:00:49 PM
Well with Widow we were actually working on a deadline. She's a part of the AvX project and she needed to get done if she was gonna be in the game

Sounds like you need help.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 06, 2012, 07:10:35 PM
Sounds like you need help.
Thanks but we already have her covered.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: sky79 on December 06, 2012, 07:31:42 PM
Thanks but we already have her covered.
Guess I'll be patching my personal copy then.

You may want to talk to the young lady providing her voice, Natalia Romanova speaks with a slight Russian Accent.

She's also saying a few of Crystal's quotes.

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Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 06, 2012, 07:47:22 PM
Guess I'll be patching my personal copy then.

You may want to talk to the young lady providing her voice, Natalia Romanova speaks with a slight Russian Accent.

She's also saying a few of Crystal's quotes.

(click to show/hide)
1.) That video won't work. I clicked play and nothing
2.) We already have a majority of the code issues worked on. Now we're just working on the sprite update and the new hyper
3.) We don't have a voice actor for Black Widow (though that might change ... ) these are clips from a game that ANC ripped for us. I haven't played Crystal so the fact that they apparently share quotes is just a coincidence.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: sky79 on December 07, 2012, 02:12:43 AM
1.) That video won't work. I clicked play and nothing
Sorry about that, posted it as a link. odd, hyperlink normaly dosn't do things like that Gomen ne

2.) We already have a majority of the code issues worked on. Now we're just working on the sprite update and the new hyper
Don't worry 'mah mayne'  I meant the intros for my copy, no biggy.

(3.) We don't have a voice actor for Black Widow
Oh....

Thats quite a deadline. Never understood why Marvel gets the ethnicities of their lady characters wrong 3/4th of the time in the movies. I know Mugen can do better.

Good luck with that  :Terry
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 08, 2012, 10:44:30 AM
Never understood why Marvel gets the ethnicity of their lady characters wrong 3/4th of the time in the movies. I know Mugen can do better.
I didn't think Widow was THAT bad in the movie. In fact that's partially why ANC suggested those clips cause he thought they sound like Scarlet Jo
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on December 08, 2012, 10:53:14 AM
I didn't think Widow was THAT bad in the movie.

Actually Widow wasnt bad . she was actually pretty badazz fighting. Expected of the super spy babe.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 08, 2012, 12:17:23 PM
Actually Widow wasnt bad . she was actually pretty badazz fighting. Expected of the super spy babe.  :thumbsup:
He meant in terms of ethnicity I believe.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Snakebyte on December 08, 2012, 04:57:05 PM
Widow was a master spy. She'd be pretty bad at that if her voice gave her away as Russian all the time, da? ;)
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: sky79 on December 09, 2012, 02:37:02 PM
Widow was a master spy. She'd be pretty bad at that if her voice gave her away as Russian all the time, da? ;)
My Bro...
She's standing there in the Black Widow uniform <_<|...|

Maximillian 'Max' Shreck: Selina! Selina Kyle, you're fired! And Bruce Wayne, why are you dressed up like Batman?
Catwoman: Because he -is- Batman, you moron.......

In fact that's partially why ANC suggested those clips cause he thought they sound like Scarlet Jo

You're not making Scarlett Johansson, you're making Natalia Romanova.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 09, 2012, 03:30:59 PM
Still, Ark isn't wanting to change the voice cause he thinks it fits Natasha just fine. And I have no complaints about it either. If you really want a more Russian Widow, Harbinger ripped her voice from MUA1 if you'd like
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Arkady on December 09, 2012, 03:33:50 PM
i gotta say mugen is a great way to show/create a vision or collaboration of a character.  you have to admit there is a vagueness that comes with comics, movies, books & animes, i try to do my best to keep a character vague enough to be somewhat either/or whether its a specific move or costume (using smartpalletes) or in this case her voice, scarlett johannsen didnt have the typical russian accent, nor would they stereotype her character to do that, in the comics hard to know since you cant hear it, just in reading the literature, or slang that is used to decipher her having a russian accent, the cartoons blantently stereotype her being next of kin to omegared or colossus, i have to agree that she'd be a crap spy if she couldn't hide her accent, majorly different circumstance if and actor played nightcrawler without putting on a german accent, i find there needs to be leyway with any character, so how do we proceed with this? go down the road of full on ethnicity or keep her vague to suit all forms of the character?
      you have to remember being in the 21st century people/characters are not defined by country/race, a persons origin might not dictate there accent anymore, psylocke was always the stereotyped asian bombshell with a british accent
which in the 90s was always emphasised in the comics, but i personally grew up in austraila with such a diverse culture and know lots of friends with their ethnic background speaking perfect english, id have to say nathasha romanov wouldnt be carrying a thick russian accent in this day and age especially being a shield super spy.  but hey thats my view on it
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on December 09, 2012, 05:26:59 PM
i gotta say mugen is a great way to show/create a vision or collaboration of a character.  you have to admit there is a vagueness that comes with comics, movies, books & animes, i try to do my best to keep a character vague enough to be somewhat either/or whether its a specific move or costume (using smartpalletes) or in this case her voice, scarlett johannsen didnt have the typical russian accent, nor would they stereotype her character to do that, in the comics hard to know since you cant hear it, just in reading the literature, or slang that is used to decipher her having a russian accent, the cartoons blantently stereotype her being next of kin to omegared or colossus, i have to agree that she'd be a crap spy if she couldn't hide her accent, majorly different circumstance if and actor played nightcrawler without putting on a german accent, i find there needs to be leyway with any character, so how do we proceed with this? go down the road of full on ethnicity or keep her vague to suit all forms of the character?
      you have to remember being in the 21st century people/characters are not defined by country/race, a persons origin might not dictate there accent anymore, psylocke was always the stereotyped asian bombshell with a british accent
which in the 90s was always emphasised in the comics, but i personally grew up in austraila with such a diverse culture and know lots of friends with their ethnic background speaking perfect english, id have to say nathasha romanov wouldnt be carrying a thick russian accent in this day and age especially being a shield super spy.  but hey thats my view on it

 ^^(PM)^ i agree with this pretty much bro.

BW is a superspy, able to speak many languages. i wouldnt tie in that she should speak russian directly cause she hails from russia. she is around english speaking people all the time. so that would have a great effect on her vocals. My brother GF is from Russia and been here only for 7 years. the longer she has been around us and living here all those 7 years , her heavy accent is different know. its lighter but you still hear the accent but nowhere near what it used to be.  Alot of anything with Comics and Mangas in voices ( Unless heard) calls for interpretations.  I have heard in the toons of her in heavy russian , light russian tone and even in the movie, not much of it period other than where she is born and from. In Mugen we have freedom of creating. If people want a more direct speaking BW then i would just say either the creators can choose to make a voicepack with her having heavier russian tone at their own choice to do so. OR people can just do they own Voicepack for themselves.  :-?? :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: ExeLord on December 09, 2012, 06:11:54 PM
-_-''' excuse me, but I can't say it other way - official voicing of BW is pure perversion of both, english and russian. She talks in russian like english speaking person just saw russian text for the first time in traslit having no clue on what it means and she speaks english with accent, which have nothing to do with russian, parody russian accent(ie, when she talks in russian russians needs subs to understand what she is saying and when she talks in english it's ear-tearing). I dunno what special training needs person to voice her like that -_-' I hope no one will go for imitating that 8=|
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: sky79 on December 09, 2012, 06:26:13 PM
It shouldn't be thick, that dosn't mean she should sound like a California sorority girl who smokes to much via 'hand-me-down' SND

My only point, is that it's best to stay true to the character, not the actor playing said character. Nothing more.

 @^@
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: I-Skorp-I on December 09, 2012, 06:40:30 PM
It shouldn't be thick, that dosn't mean she should sound like a California sorority girl who smokes to much via 'hand-me-down' SND

My only point, is that it's best to stay true to the character, not the actor playing said character. Nothing more.

 @^@

 ^^(PM)^
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: O Ilusionista on December 09, 2012, 06:46:56 PM
Aren't we going too nitpick here?
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 09, 2012, 07:05:01 PM
It shouldn't be thick, that dosn't mean she should sound like a California sorority girl who smokes to much via 'hand-me-down' SND
/:O ... I didn't think it was THAT bad

FINE I'll see what Ark can do about it
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on December 09, 2012, 07:13:10 PM
Aren't we going too nitpick here?

yep seems like it.

   well hmm i guess the only best thing to do is find a woman that creator knows that speaks good russian accent and record voicework. BAM! :thumbsup:

 or anyone thought of maybe trying the voice accent stuff of the babe from the ultimate avengers 2 cartoon movie? you hear her at 6:20
The Ultimate Avengers 2 HD part 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww-tfR0X1zU#ws)

there aint alot period to go on but is this the accent yall talkin bout ?

   :-?? but that is way up to the creators decision unless someone got better submissions for voices? yeah good luck with all that.

again Super spy sexy babe with jack of trades skills. awesome!
@ hyper, she is fine bro, not bad at all with the voice.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Arkady on December 10, 2012, 10:33:21 PM
sorry lando, but i gotta say that is like the worst accent ever in that video, simply total pervesion of a russian accent, she sound fresh off the boat, actually she is on it,
 i don't think i'll be putting that ultimate avengers2 voice or anything like it anywhere near the character, sorry folks, she is russian, but she is not ivan from rocky 4
 anyone seen Salt? (angelina jolie movie from a few years back)

http://youtu.be/fy1QJINEQM8 (http://youtu.be/fy1QJINEQM8)

russian spy chick that kicks butt, if marvel had an influence for BW for ironman2 and avengers, i'm sure the character in Salt was what they were going for
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Snakebyte on December 11, 2012, 02:26:25 AM
My Bro...
She's standing there in the Black Widow uniform <_<|...|

Maximillian 'Max' Shreck: Selina! Selina Kyle, you're fired! And Bruce Wayne, why are you dressed up like Batman?
Catwoman: Because he -is- Batman, you moron.......

You're not making Scarlett Johansson, you're making Natalia Romanova.

She is NOW. Doesn't mean she always was. She probably worked hard in the past to eliminate her accent so that she could be a better spy. A lot of what she does is undercover.

Why would she gain an accent when she puts on a costume? That's just silly.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: sky79 on December 11, 2012, 04:27:38 AM
Why would she gain an accent when she puts on a costume? That's just silly.
o.O#
Dear lord
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Mach25 on December 12, 2012, 09:02:34 AM
Sky, you have a good point and you are true to life, I totally agree with you. Real spies can turn the accent on or off at will, that's how you have to be in the world of special forces. I agree with Sky, have her speak with the Russian accent (the American accent for darn near everything grows rather tiresome) in there. Variety is always good.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Snakebyte on December 12, 2012, 10:38:40 PM
o.O#
Dear lord

So do you have a response, or are you just going to demean me without bringing anything of substance to the table?
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 12, 2012, 10:49:22 PM
If you don't mind, can we please change the subject. I'm getting real tired of hearing (well reading rather) you guys STILL going at her voice.

If you hate her not having a Russian accent so devildamn much, then make a patch with the MUA voice that Harbinger ripped and talk about things OTHER THAN THE VOICE. Like maybe suggestions for moves for future releases.
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Snakebyte on December 12, 2012, 11:25:39 PM
Oh, I've got those! I don't know if these got to you already, but...

- Whip (KOF)'s grapple moves, also used in Black Cat, would suit her. I don't think she uses her Widow's Line outside of an intro right now. Could also work for a web swing like move to replace that weird jaguar kick if you are looking to do that.

- 'Widow's Bite' has also been shown as a short range electrocution type device, sort of like a wrist-mounted taser, if I remember correctly. You guys could do something with that.

- Elena could work as reference for more kicks, if needed.

- Maybe a hyper where she sets a big explosive and then grapples away, since you don't have a hyper that scales up from the flashbangs... I'd use a different kind of explosive if it were me though... TNT or C4 or something, if there are sprites for those lying around anywhere.

:)
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 12, 2012, 11:31:51 PM
She used Widow's Line as her air dash, not an intro

We are gonna make a new kick special later, and different variations of Widow's Bite. Haven't thought of an explosives hyper though. Gonna see if Ark likes the idea
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Arkady on December 12, 2012, 11:46:07 PM
i like the idea, drop the C4  grapple away/Explosion!  sounds like a plan
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 13, 2012, 12:09:22 AM
And for someone as lazy as me, I don't think that hyper would take any new sprites  :D
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: Arkady on December 13, 2012, 12:32:02 AM
come on man snakebyte said it himself "c4 sprites?"  :DB:
Title: Re: Black Widow V0.8 by Arkady, Nicotinefist & Hypersonic92
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 13, 2012, 01:09:57 AM
come on man snakebyte said it himself "c4 sprites?"  :DB:
I meant of Widow herself
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