Post by: ZVitor on March 27, 2013, 10:39:04 AM
Post by: dev. on March 27, 2013, 10:43:21 AM
EDIT: Oh, darn. I thought you were talking about Wolverine :D
Sorry.
Post by: warecus on March 27, 2013, 10:47:55 AM
Post by: metamutant on March 27, 2013, 11:21:51 AM
21 - X-Men - The Game - Silver Samurai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quXYN51ZyvU#)
Post by: O Ilusionista on March 27, 2013, 01:02:49 PM
I like this outfit a lot
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2977/silversamuraibyrafaelra.png)
Post by: mugenaddict34 on March 27, 2013, 01:30:02 PM
( Offtopic: /:O O-ilusionista? It's hard to read the name but I'm good at geroglyphics :P )
Post by: ZVitor on March 27, 2013, 03:25:23 PM
It would be nice to see Silver Samurai use normal size silver shurikens like the kind Deadpool, Elektra, Bullseye, and any martial artist would have.no doubt, this is his worst thing at capcom version.
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i tink i will add the hanzo wood counter too, i added it to xsc psylocke, i just love this move.
Its a nice choice. I was thinking to make him too at the past, but I dropped that idea.great costume.
I like this outfit a lot
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2977/silversamuraibyrafaelra.png)
split costume and metal looks great for his pallets, but i dont tink it is a must.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on March 27, 2013, 03:27:52 PM
Also in Xmen the game they did a great job with his voice.I might be wrong but isn't that the same dude who voiced him in Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon?
21 - X-Men - The Game - Silver Samurai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quXYN51ZyvU#)
Post by: O Ilusionista on March 28, 2013, 01:24:43 PM
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It would be nice to see Silver Samurai use normal size silver shurikensIn fact, it would make more sense if the just DOESN'T uses shurikens, since Samurais NEVER uses it.
Post by: Rage on March 28, 2013, 01:31:34 PM
In fact, it would make more sense if the just DOESN'T uses shurikens, since Samurais NEVER uses it.^^(PM)^
Post by: metamutant on March 28, 2013, 02:43:12 PM
In fact, it would make more sense if the just DOESN'T uses shurikens, since Samurais NEVER uses it.
:lies: Silver Samurai used shurikens before numerous times lol.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ebar0159/Silver%20Samurai/th_10-1.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/ebar0159/media/Silver%20Samurai/10-1.jpg.html)(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ebar0159/Silver%20Samurai/th_11.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/ebar0159/media/Silver%20Samurai/11.jpg.html)
Post by: Rage on March 28, 2013, 03:02:33 PM
:lies: Silver Samurai used shurikens before numerous times lol.His point is in any fiction he shouldn't use them cause samurai didn't use them.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ebar0159/Silver%20Samurai/th_10-1.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/ebar0159/media/Silver%20Samurai/10-1.jpg.html)(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ebar0159/Silver%20Samurai/th_11.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/ebar0159/media/Silver%20Samurai/11.jpg.html)
Post by: O Ilusionista on March 28, 2013, 03:06:38 PM
If you read Thor comics and knows just a little about Nordic Myth, you will be shocked. Marvel really smoked something illegal when was doing Thor comics.
Post by: metamutant on March 28, 2013, 03:18:24 PM
His point is in any fiction he shouldn't use them cause samurai didn't use them.
really? That's is not the opinion of many. Wikipedia even list shuriken as a weapon of Samurais.
Plenty of other sources list Shurikens as weapons of both ninjas and samurais. So yeah any simple search will reveal
that many more people consider them a legitimate weapon of Samurais.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuriken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuriken)
http://www.weapons-universe.com/Martial_Arts/Ninja/Ninja_Stars.shtml (http://www.weapons-universe.com/Martial_Arts/Ninja/Ninja_Stars.shtml)
Ninja Samurai Weapon: Shuriken - Video (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1817319/)
Post by: O Ilusionista on March 28, 2013, 03:24:53 PM
Post by: warecus on March 28, 2013, 03:36:31 PM
Post by: Rage on March 28, 2013, 03:44:07 PM
Wow this is totally new to me (aside that Wikipedia isn't a trusted source to me).Same here. I consider my self a character artist. well versed in weaponry. I done reach on Ninja ans samurai alike and i've known them as an ninja weapons only. I know them to be misconstrued as an samurai weapon. Samurai laid there faith in there blade, the spirit of the blade. They draw there power from that.
my studies found them using:
Swords
chains/ some with small weights attached, a bladed scythe like weapon
cannons
spears/ often call poles tho usually blades on the ends
Bows
Blunt weapon tho not often
AND YES NEVER GO TO WIKIPEDIA o.O#
Post by: CosmicToxin on March 28, 2013, 04:28:11 PM
Post by: O Ilusionista on March 28, 2013, 07:38:33 PM
Yeah, samurais, on the beginning, had used shuirkens, which were made using 4 broken arrows. But after the feudal era, the weapon were considered "not honored", and they stopped to use it.
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on March 28, 2013, 09:12:22 PM
The samurai adopts a "in your face and honorable combat' methodology which before the armor wearing wartime eras they primarily used their Katanas and their tantō ( small sword) as their main weapons. The only long range weapons they would carry on their person that they didnt mind throwing away were darts ( very small mini daggers ) that were easily made by either themselves or local blacksmiths in sets that they could carry concealed
or if was a specialist in archery they carried a bow and arrow set.
alot of this i knew but my cousin put alot more to me in perspective while on the phone a few ago. He tried to get me to convert from my style to his. NAHHHHHHHHHH! i am good. lol
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 28, 2013, 10:35:58 PM
Here:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Samurai (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Samurai)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ninja (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ninja)
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on March 28, 2013, 11:05:11 PM
You guys do realize that the image we have of both samurai and ninjas today are just fiction.
yeah very true. cause i strill after 20 something years aint seen my cuz do anything like naruto or any of those crazy ninja flicks where they flying threw tree tops jumping from branch to branch like they got mini wings and coasting through the air. lol.
Post by: ZVitor on March 29, 2013, 12:36:46 AM
but im not sure yet, just like CToxin said:
Silver Samurai and Thor are works of fiction. it dosent matter if they are historically accurate or not. Most of the things in comics arent.
Post by: C.R.O.M. - 有且只有一個 on March 29, 2013, 12:40:18 AM
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on March 29, 2013, 12:53:21 AM
in end i like the ideia of no shuriken.... that demand more creativity for his moves,
but im not sure yet, just like CToxin said:
you know what bro.. if you truly decide to take out him throwing the shuriken.. i would say if going to give him a projectile attack , try doing him thrown the dagger/darts things that they actually do have. :-?? but something to get creative with if want to and like the idea. Could even have an air version of it with him throwing it from the air at opponents .
Post by: Arkady on March 29, 2013, 12:59:54 AM
in end i like the ideia of no shuriken.... that demand more creativity for his moves,
but im not sure yet, just like CToxin said:
i reckon just wait for the movie there is bound to be some ideas to get from that
Post by: C.R.O.M. - 有且只有一個 on March 29, 2013, 01:32:59 AM
Post by: jordanandroy on March 29, 2013, 03:13:52 AM
HOPE THIS HELPS TO CLEAR UP THE "NINJA/SAMURAI" MIXUP
Post by: Arkady on March 29, 2013, 03:42:30 AM
Post by: mugenaddict34 on March 29, 2013, 06:39:46 AM
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A Samurai using a Ninja weapon, which are his sworn enemies, its like the devil using a crucifix.Quote
:| I remember when in the Last Samurai movie a group of ninjas attack the village and use shurikens as their principal weapon. They kill a lot of people even without fighting against them. In some point of the movie someone explains that samurais consider disrecpectful to use this kind of weapons because it could be used in the back, and samurais never fight like this. Ninjas are more special assassins
But this article in wikipedia tells right the opposite. I'm confused. @-)
I think a samurai only uses close combat weapons and arrows. bbut could be wrong. If any samurai is here reading, please tell us the truth ;)
Post by: metamutant on March 29, 2013, 07:20:13 AM
yes but silver samurai is a villian, villians are sneaky >:D
lol Yeah, that's the point that I was trying to make. He is only a Samurai by title only, he doesn't in most instances live up to their honor code. He has use poison darts, knives, and other weapons that true Samurai would find dishonorable.
Viper is also in the Wolverine movie and she is partners with Silver Samurai. She could be used in a hyper.
(http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/wolverine-Svetlana-Khodchenkova-hugh-jackman.jpg)
She will probably have green hair by the end of the movie. lol
by Tank
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2le2elv.gif)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/coj6v.jpg)
Post by: ZVitor on March 29, 2013, 08:26:02 AM
testing if smart pallet worth
Post by: Trinitronity on March 29, 2013, 09:12:19 AM
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7686/smartteste.png)Not enough colors seperated <_<|...|
testing if smart pallet worth
Post by: G.P.O.A - GatlingPunchRalf on March 29, 2013, 09:18:05 AM
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7686/smartteste.png)If you're looking for smart pallet concepts, allow me to be of assistance! I've done shiite tons of research on ancient japan, and also played a ton of games with samurai in them, so I've got a pretty good concept for where the smart palleting could be. I'd just do it in my own sprite as an example, but I HATE using the Mac's version of paint, so I'd rather just write it out. I'll do my best to keep it easy to understand.
testing if smart pallet worth
1 ) Underclothes like you already have done
2 ) Pauldrons and Fauld (Shoulder and Upper leg armor excluding the belt)
3 ) Helmet, Forearm, and Shin Guard Main pieces
4 ) Helmet Crest, Fauld Belt, Forearm and Shin Guard Accessory pieces (The rings on the edges and middle, think Kyo Kusanagi's gloves)
5 ) Chest piece
6 ) Chest piece's emblem
7 ) Hands
8 ) Lower face
9 ) Upper face (Mask)
You could combine a lot of these so that there wouldn't be as much, but these (in my personal opinion) would be the best groups for a smart pallet.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on March 29, 2013, 10:26:22 AM
Post by: ZVitor on March 29, 2013, 12:14:17 PM
How do you plan on changing up his moveset?dont know yet.... movie should help, untild there i hope to have basics done.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on March 29, 2013, 12:23:22 PM
dont know yet.... movie should help, until there i hope to have basics done.Understandable. It'd be interesting to see your take on the char
Post by: Trinitronity on March 29, 2013, 12:48:13 PM
im not looking for best smart pallet, just the easy enough for me.I think you got the principe of smart palettes wrong <_<|...|
Post by: DizzyTheConquer on March 29, 2013, 01:05:29 PM
im not looking for best smart pallet, just the easy enough for me.If that's the case, leave the undershirt the same color, the underpants & the feet different colors.
Post by: O Ilusionista on March 29, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gsOgtSj.gif)
Post by: G.P.O.A - GatlingPunchRalf on March 29, 2013, 01:26:22 PM
What about this? the right one have different color gauntletsSecond one. Definitely the second one. It gives the most pallet options and could make for some cool designs.
(http://i.imgur.com/gsOgtSj.gif)
Post by: ExeLord on March 29, 2013, 01:35:48 PM
At right is failed attempt to make outfit Ilu likes with smart palette, failed because of circle on chest it's too low, at right is what Ralf suggested.
:-?? personally I think those won't be bad and not that hard:
- helm crest separated from helm;
- mask separated from helm;
- pauldrons and fauld separated from armor;
- fists separated from face colors;
- feet separated from underwear;
Post by: O Ilusionista on March 29, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
Post by: ExeLord on March 29, 2013, 01:57:47 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on March 29, 2013, 01:59:39 PM
Post by: Loganir on March 29, 2013, 02:41:51 PM
Also for new special moves let's keep in mind Capcom's shuriken it's kind his power mutant in a different form... he extends this energy in weapons to cut almost anything. Other weapons could be included in energy form.
A naginata comes to my mind.... not so sure if it's a samurai weapon now. :-??
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on March 29, 2013, 03:29:29 PM
A naginata comes to my mind.... not so sure if it's a samurai weapon now. :-??
yes it is.. he could use that cause Samurai did use those during feudal japan era...still have them now. Chinese arts and even ninjas have them too.
Post by: ZVitor on March 29, 2013, 04:43:05 PM
after wondering about him, i decide not do any smart pallete, reasons:
- we can have some cool costumes with it, but all his comics cosutmes are just silver, so smart pallete will not really cover different costumes of comics
- he is one of few capcom chars without colors mergeds (exemple cyclops: skin+cosutme+hair)
- im not huge fan of him, will do because we plan to have all x chars around at one project-x game in a far future.
(but if someone want to do it, let me know before start to code, ark? jetthephoenix? acey?)
.....
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 29, 2013, 07:03:31 PM
Post by: O Ilusionista on March 29, 2013, 07:08:31 PM
And he is not a bad guy, he is neutral
Post by: dev. on March 29, 2013, 07:26:41 PM
Post by: Arkady on March 29, 2013, 07:52:57 PM
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 29, 2013, 08:09:29 PM
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Tachyon Field: Ability to generate a tachyon energy field from within his body. Though he can focus this energy through anything. He typically focuses this field through his sword, allowing it to cut through almost any substance.
Post by: WadeWilson on March 29, 2013, 10:18:16 PM
I know that Silver Samurai's blade can slice through almost anything (adamantium included). Not really a mutant power. Don't really know if he has one.
It wasn't the blade itself as much as the energy field he channeled through it (which was his mutant power). The teleportation was given by Viper, so you could make some sort of teleportation hyper using Viper?
Post by: Arkady on March 29, 2013, 11:35:52 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on March 29, 2013, 11:41:26 PM
is viper ,the same hydra viper from avengers?Yes I believe Viper and Madam Hydra are one in the same
Post by: Arkady on March 30, 2013, 02:41:07 AM
(obviously marvel movie screenwriters don't care about authenticity :-@ )
Post by: dev. on March 30, 2013, 04:49:48 AM
i thought his power was to super charge objects (a bit like gambit, but they don't explode) they hold form, but that's going off memory, and since he is wolverine arch enemy, i'd say he is a bad guy, (like saying sabretooth's neutral)
Yeah, he's definitely a bad guy.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on March 30, 2013, 09:10:12 AM
cool, but how come the trailer has her blondeI assume her hair will turn green by the end of the movie.
(obviously marvel movie screenwriters don't care about authenticity :-@ )
Post by: C.R.O.M. - Shadaloo Lives! on March 30, 2013, 09:20:22 AM
cool, but how come the trailer has her blondeBugged the crap out of me too.
(obviously marvel movie screenwriters don't care about authenticity :-@ )
(And it's Fox movie screenwriters.)
I assume her hair will turn green by the end of the movie.Hope so.
Post by: O Ilusionista on March 30, 2013, 10:40:04 AM
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and since he is wolverine arch enemy, i'd say he is a bad guyhe is wolverine arch enemy, but this doesn't make it a bad guy. Sabretooth is a bit different (besides in AoA and in exiles, he is not a bad guy)
Post by: metamutant on March 30, 2013, 11:08:25 AM
Doom has on many times like during Secret Wars worked with heroes to stop a world wide threat even though I think everyone would consider him a villain. There are many others like Marrow, Magneto, who has been both an Xmen villain as well as an Xman.
I think any mercenary type like Deadpool, Elektra could be considered a villain at times but probably more described as an anti-hero, meaning basically they will kill anyone for enough money although they go after more bad guys.
My personal opinion is that I label a character as they are generally portrayed as. And generally Silver Samurai has been a villain although he has moments of acting heroic.
Post by: Arkady on March 30, 2013, 01:44:58 PM
I like that Harada in AoA, maybe a pallets or a hyper move with that enormous sword would be a great idea, and Z I'll help but its best you create him first, then we'll have all the sprites to smart pallet, not just capcoms 400+ sprites and then also redo custom stuff after that, just be better to do it after as we will use much less in sprites (same goes for spiral for that matter) as I started a storm smart pallet a few months back, and I damn near made me collapse. (600+ sprites) I could only get through 15% maybe, trouble is capcom made way too many sprites that nowadays seem unessesary, there is about 20-30sprites just for her block, when 3-6 will do, so think about all those animations not needed plus overkill on extra sprites, just think its best to create the coded beta first, so all is there before adding any pallets changes
Post by: O Ilusionista on March 30, 2013, 02:02:54 PM
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see he has a sense of honor that makes him stand out apart from other villiansYes, that is my point. Samurais have a code to live by. Which could be wrong for some, but its right for them.
About the moves, You could inspire yourself in Samurai Shodown.
Some ideas:
- Jubei Yagyu geiser from SS2, where he throws a projectile then throws a big geiser.
0:56 at this movie
Samurai Showdown 2 All Super Moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HumZQaf8df8#)
- Silver Samurai lacks an anti-air move. Again, Jubei have a nice upper.
- Ukyo tachibana have a hyper here he dashes and pass throught the enemies in high speed multiple times
2:00 at this movie
Samurai Showdown 3 All Super Moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVT2rW6MnRQ#)
- Silver Samurai have teleport abilities, thanks to his ring. So, he can have an hyper like MOrrigan or Galford, were he splits himself in too to attack. In fact, you would make it blink in front and in back, to avoid make clones
0:34 at this movie
Samurai Showdown 3 All Super Moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVT2rW6MnRQ#)
Post by: Arkady on March 30, 2013, 02:32:14 PM
Post by: Magma MK-II on March 30, 2013, 08:10:12 PM
Post by: Arkady on February 03, 2023, 06:21:03 PM
i saw last wolverine trailer...... so i should start to remake him soon, april, anyone have a plan to him? i dont tink he need a smart pallet or color fixes, but any ninja-like sprites resource is welcome.A decade too late, but ive sorted out somewhat of a smart pallete for his face only, i did this coz of the new pics of him wearing a red dragon type mask, (any other sectioning off for a smart pallete would be super difficult.
Also made an updated verson of him from kongs IMT release that has most of what was talked about here.... i'll post it in a week, as im still checking out the bugs and adding new voices to his intros/outros
Post by: O Ilusionista on February 03, 2023, 07:55:02 PM
A decade too late, but ive sorted out somewhat of a smart pallete for his face only, i did this coz of the new pics of him wearing a red dragon type mask, (any other sectioning off for a smart pallete would be super difficult.
Also made an updated verson of him from kongs IMT release that has most of what was talked about here.... i'll post it in a week, as im still checking out the bugs and adding new voices to his intros/outros
@Arkady wow, are you still around?
We gather more at Discord, see the link in the side bar ->
Post by: Arkady on February 04, 2023, 01:00:33 AM
@Arkady wow, are you still around?
We gather more at Discord, see the link in the side bar ->
Still around, here and there, working on new characters here and there
Post by: MatreroG on February 04, 2023, 12:19:06 PM
Still around, here and there, working on new characters here and thereIt's good to know about you again and also that you are planning something for a great comeback.
:)