Post by: ZVitor on August 12, 2010, 11:04:38 AM
looking for ideia for his moves.
(be specific, how move should works and that stuffs)
effects sugestions is welcome too.....
Post by: B-5 on August 12, 2010, 11:28:19 AM
Post by: Acey on August 12, 2010, 11:30:35 AM
the freezing ice beam might be too much though, Iceman already has a spam advantage with the ice beam, if it froze the opponent too it might be too unfair.
Post by: B-5 on August 12, 2010, 11:32:15 AM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on August 12, 2010, 12:58:00 PM
Man ZV it's almost like you're handling every Project X character. Can't wait to see more
Post by: ZVitor on August 12, 2010, 01:17:34 PM
and i dont have huge plans for iceman, should be a custom char like juggz.
...
my only secret wip is the PX boss :-"
Post by: B-5 on August 12, 2010, 01:19:12 PM
Post by: Sasuke-kun on August 12, 2010, 02:20:17 PM
Post by: Bowasiel on August 12, 2010, 02:26:43 PM
(http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/2180/55307939.png)
or instead freezing the stage he can make an ice dome
Post by: B-5 on August 12, 2010, 02:40:01 PM
Post by: Arkady on August 12, 2010, 02:48:01 PM
You could give him flight but instead of flying he's on his Ice board and it leaves behind ice as he moves around. I could be a helper that regenerated every few game ticks and fades away as if it's melting so as Ice man moves around in the air the ice left behind will melt.
the freezing ice beam might be too much though, Iceman already has a spam advantage with the ice beam, if it froze the opponent too it might be too unfair.
already done it, (the flying ice bridge)
just trying to make a smart pallete b4 releasing it
Post by: Epic Win Man on August 12, 2010, 06:44:16 PM
Post by: B-5 on August 12, 2010, 06:45:01 PM
Post by: .Batzarro. on August 12, 2010, 07:33:22 PM
Loving the updated look btw but think it could use a little more, like this.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/GonnaBurnInMyLight/Sprites/iceq.png)
Should of made the shoulder parts a little bigger but either way.
Post by: TomBewley on August 12, 2010, 09:29:26 PM
Here are my ideas
Special Moves
Ice pillar - A large pillar of ice appears below the opponent knocking the straight up
Ice shard - Simple projectile
Ice slide - Iceman slides under the opponent knocking them up
Ice beam - Standard ice beam
Supers
Ice armour - Gives Iceman super armour for a short period of time
Frost Barrage - Freezes the stage slowing the opponent
Some ice sprites for you
From Valdoll (Red Earth), Guilty Gear and Gill (SF3)
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8592/iceoc.png) (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/iceoc.png/)(http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/7351/ice2.png) (http://img808.imageshack.us/i/ice2.png/)
(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7812/icex.gif) (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/icex.gif/)
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9834/ice2.gif) (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/ice2.gif/)(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1273/ice3.gif) (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/ice3.gif/)(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/326/ice4.gif) (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/ice4.gif/)(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1952/ice5.gif) (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/ice5.gif/)
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5135/ice10.gif) (http://img267.imageshack.us/i/ice10.gif/)(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6108/ice9.gif) (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/ice9.gif/)(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8315/ice8.gif) (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/ice8.gif/)(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5287/ice7.gif) (http://img84.imageshack.us/i/ice7.gif/)(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9902/ice6.gif) (http://img444.imageshack.us/i/ice6.gif/)
Hope they're of some use!
Post by: B-5 on August 12, 2010, 09:46:20 PM
Post by: StrangeEvil on August 12, 2010, 11:06:49 PM
Post by: ZVitor on August 13, 2010, 08:54:15 AM
@hypersonic, ice shard is a cool move, but ice beam already a bit over and willmake it unuseful...
@D-X, thanks, nice effects.
@Zarro, im not a big fan of spike iceman, its more related to age of apocalypse, will just add hair and somes custom poses.
@arkadyrossovitch, nice smart pallet, (cover all his costumes, i tink), and i saw your ice bridge(its from alucard storm hyper?), anyway its so large, not exactly what im looking for.
@Acey, usually, at comics and games, iceman are always moving while in ice board, so i tink weird see him stationary with ice board, (and it should be really complex code/sprite to look cool), but im working at ice board move, its a must be.
@Bowasiel, will try something like that.
more 2 anims without ice, any ideia for more?
(http://a.imageshack.us/img576/5216/meltdown.gif)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img295/905/ded2.gif)
Post by: .Batzarro. on August 13, 2010, 09:51:49 AM
I remember hearing he could also freeze molecules inside a human body or freeze the moisture in the air. Maybe that could be put to use.? In the Atom character (AngelEcks' version) he has the hyper where the insides of the human body get shown. Could do the same thing for Iceman and show that their insides freeze over. Wouldn't work against any robotic type characters though.
Post by: Beto on August 13, 2010, 10:20:10 AM
Post by: B-5 on August 13, 2010, 10:52:14 AM
Very Good!! :thumbsup:
This
Post by: HQ on August 13, 2010, 11:24:07 AM
- Iceman could create a ball of ice around him, that protects him, if you press Attack, Iceman destroys the ball shaped ice form and the ice splitters are pushed in every direction
- Iceman could place ice spots on the ground where the opponent slides on (isnt able to walk, attack,etc...he just slides to iceman)
- Iceman could form a huge weapon with that he smashes to opponent (the weapon itself breaks after the attack)
Post by: Magnus22 on August 13, 2010, 12:36:43 PM
(http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3417/gelo.png) (http://img825.imageshack.us/i/gelo.png/)
Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)
<_<|...|
Post by: Vitamin on August 13, 2010, 04:09:49 PM
1.Ice shards:Throw Ice Shards at enemies
2.Freeze Beam: Freeze enemies for a brief moment (with a 5 sec delay when he can fire another one).
3.Polar Explosion: Charge a ice particle and throw it at the enemy causing cold damage over time, and slows the enemey.
4.Ice Slide: Slides on ice, knocking down the enemy
5.Blizzard: Create an ice storm which inflicts cold damage
6.Frost Bite: gives iceman ice gloves or ice spikes on his hands, increasing his melee damage with a 50% chance of slowing the enemy.
7.Frigid Aura: create a shield of ice around Iceman
8.Deep Freeze: Massive cold blast that damages and slows the enemy with a chance to freeze them.
Post by: Arkady on August 13, 2010, 05:55:34 PM
thanks all.
@arkadyrossovitch, nice smart pallet, (cover all his costumes, i tink), and i saw your ice bridge(its from alucard storm hyper?), anyway its so large, not exactly what im looking for.
make it with you own spirtes, just showing you what it can be, also have a bits of ice fall off the bridge to make the effect of movement, (you right it is big, but as it was my first go, i didn't care, just playing around with what i could do, are you intrested in the smart pallet? i can get crakin on it if so
Post by: brianlinch21 on August 13, 2010, 08:41:27 PM
Post by: zombiejerky on August 13, 2010, 09:23:26 PM
Post by: tremainekr on August 14, 2010, 01:23:08 AM
.gatlin ice bal: just like his old hyper but you have to randomly press a punch button to have a total of 10 ice balls that shoot out
his body
.supreme ice ball: shoot a giant ice ball (he bends over and as he rise up the giant iceball shoots across the screen)
.ice ball man hyper: iceman makes a monster out of iceballs and iceman stands in the backround
.epic hail hyper: giants ice balls fall south west/east to ground.
.cold cocked(pp grab): he dash towards,grabs opponent hands turn into boulder multiple hits to opponent head
.body freeze(kk grab): freeze opponent body inside ice boulder..pick up ice boulder on ground.
.glacier crash lvl2 hyper: jumps in air..(use his barrel roll sprite and put it inside the giant ice ball) when he hits the ground the
screen shakes and rolls towards opponent similar too cap america sheild dash hyper.
.ice crater cover stage lvl 3 hyper : a bomb comes out the sky with apocalypes face on it..exploding sprites every where, then a
white flash covers the screen fog backround, him and opponent standing on ice crystal floor (top of a gigantic ice ball)..iceman
moves very fast and moves in a sliding animation.
Post by: Arkady on August 14, 2010, 08:29:53 PM
Post by: Slayer on August 15, 2010, 12:52:22 AM
I'm so happy Iceman's finally got a revamp!
We had several Juggernaut/Spideman chars but Zvitor's are totally unique.
So I bet this Iceman will be outstanding.
Is kind of funny that you consider Jugg to be a custom char ;*))
The freezing stage hyper that Bowasiel suggested looks crazy!
Post by: ZVitor on August 15, 2010, 07:01:23 AM
specials done, im looking for ice effects to hyper.
Is kind of funny that you consider Jugg to be a custom char ;*))
he is not mvc, mvc2 or msh.
i made him to be slow, strong, only 2 hits combos and without roll, to look like a tank.
Post by: tremainekr on August 15, 2010, 06:28:01 PM
cant find good ice effects to do that....
what about character sprite sheets that have rock moves and color them light blue like..hulk, thanos, blackheart and doctor doom sprite sheets.
Post by: Slayer on August 15, 2010, 07:32:40 PM
he is not mvc, mvc2 or msh.
i made him to be slow, strong, only 2 hits combos and without roll, to look like a tank.
Sorry I misunderstood the meaning of the word "custom"
I wanted to give a compliment.
I guess my English is not as good as I thought. ~:>
Post by: HQ on August 16, 2010, 09:54:48 AM
some examples (that were found in 2 minutes via google)
http://suztv.deviantart.com/art/Frost-Brushes-51505520 (http://suztv.deviantart.com/art/Frost-Brushes-51505520)
http://faeth-design.deviantart.com/art/Snowflakes-Brush-71012097 (http://faeth-design.deviantart.com/art/Snowflakes-Brush-71012097)
http://javierzhx.deviantart.com/art/Ice-sense-32048325 (http://javierzhx.deviantart.com/art/Ice-sense-32048325)
and
http://sdb.drshnaps.com/objects/14/1303/Sprite/IceAgeSkater.png (http://sdb.drshnaps.com/objects/14/1303/Sprite/IceAgeSkater.png)
http://sdb.drshnaps.com/objects/7/1193/Sprite/IceMan.png (http://sdb.drshnaps.com/objects/7/1193/Sprite/IceMan.png)
Post by: TomBewley on August 17, 2010, 05:20:26 PM
thanks guy, good ideias here, BUT cant find good ice effects to do that....
specials done, im looking for ice effects to hyper.
Sasquatch from Darkstalkers has a lot of nice ice effects which may be useful
Post by: ZVitor on August 18, 2010, 02:34:34 PM
@d-x,yeai saw this ones.
anyway,i did it with aiceman effects:
(http://a.imageshack.us/img51/8376/iceboard.gif)
will show trail later in one video
and new poses to icebeam:
(http://a.imageshack.us/img440/5894/icebeam.png)
...
iceman sprites done,at the moment im working in man of steel....
Post by: B-5 on August 18, 2010, 02:40:49 PM
Post by: .Batzarro. on August 18, 2010, 02:58:38 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on August 18, 2010, 03:02:52 PM
Post by: Arkady on August 18, 2010, 03:45:59 PM
and will it have a trail of ice falling off of it?
Post by: ELECTRO on August 18, 2010, 03:47:32 PM
Post by: Beto on August 18, 2010, 04:04:47 PM
Post by: The King Sic-1™ on August 18, 2010, 04:32:58 PM
Great work!
Post by: swanky on August 19, 2010, 04:49:50 PM
The Ice pillar idea seems nice as well, could either work as Anti-Air or as chainable projectile counter. Like it stomps the opponent into the air, slams it back a little, just enough to be hit by the next pillar -> weak - medium - fierce.
The Ice Meteor and the Ice Fist charge are removed for now.
So here's my build up:
Buttons -> move
FF - Dash
FF (Air) -> Surfing on a iceboard
BB - Dash backwards
Specials
QCF P - Ice Beam (explained above)
DP P - Ice Pillar (explained above)
QCF K - Ice Ram (rushes forward, engulfed in ice, slamming into the enemy)
QCB P - Shield (negates enemy projectiles / attacks and gives a few frames for counterattacking - precise timing needed)
Supers
QCB PP - Helper (summons an ice golem helping you for a brief amount of time)
QCF KK - Super Ram (rushes forward Juggernaut-style)
QCF PP - Ice Meteor (the old Ice Meteor super)
insert random lvl3 command here - Ice Age
Ice Age - I'm thinking One Peace here. Maybe some of you know what I mean. Iceman kneels down, touching the ground, then mumbling Ice Age and freezing everything grounded over for the rest of the round, dealing more damage than a level 1 super. A balance check is needed whether it should freeze in air as well, slow setup time is a drawback. Can be done multiple times in a round, but the effect stays.
Overall Iceman becomes a more solid melee fighter, not relying as much on his ice beam. He can charge into the enemy using either ice ram, simple rush forward x combo or via Ice surfin'.
Post by: JDubbs on August 19, 2010, 05:22:44 PM
Post by: MaverickZr0 on August 19, 2010, 10:01:52 PM
Unlike MvC2
Post by: kyoman on August 19, 2010, 11:19:47 PM
Post by: sunblaze82 on August 20, 2010, 05:48:17 PM
Post by: Danoartist on August 24, 2010, 12:26:55 AM
Also, I didn't see it mentioned, but, there was one time in the comics where he actually used the water in a pond or lake to become giant-sized. I know a lot of people might think, cheese, in mugen but, its just an idea.
Post by: Arkady on August 26, 2010, 10:30:59 AM
Post by: Bonobi on August 27, 2010, 01:54:40 AM
Post by: ZVitor on September 04, 2010, 08:52:40 PM
sprites done, video soon.
im still not sure about frozen all screen hyper, is a nice ideia, but i cant find/do nice effects to it....
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on September 04, 2010, 09:02:03 PM
Post by: .Batzarro. on September 04, 2010, 09:07:19 PM
Post by: Vitamin on September 04, 2010, 11:10:03 PM
Post by: amarillo002 on September 05, 2010, 01:01:08 AM
Post by: M.Chidori on September 05, 2010, 11:33:18 PM
Zvitor "The one man mugen team" :D :D :thumbsup:
Post by: DARKTALBAIN on September 06, 2010, 12:54:47 AM
(http://a.imageshack.us/img294/4025/icebaby.gif)
sprites done, video soon.
im still not sure about frozen all screen hyper, is a nice ideia, but i cant find/do nice effects to it....
This is awesome! :thumbsup:
Post by: ZVitor on September 06, 2010, 02:04:01 PM
Post by: Vitamin on September 06, 2010, 02:54:09 PM
Post by: Bonobi on September 06, 2010, 03:20:57 PM
Thanks for the preview vid.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on September 06, 2010, 03:22:48 PM
I'm kinda neutral when it comes to the idle but I do love the specials and hypers
Post by: Arkady on September 06, 2010, 05:52:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHUabxVwCPE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHUabxVwCPE#)
perfect bridge, hypers are awesome, i think zvitor has nailed bobby drake, all the moves are new, improved,
even the win poses are cool (no pun intended) and i love the iced up backround,
well done dude,
p.s. still think he needs a smart pallet though
Post by: .Batzarro. on September 06, 2010, 05:58:25 PM
Post by: warecus on September 06, 2010, 06:23:15 PM
few questions.
like batzarro what does freezing the stage do?
will he be given back ice shards auroa around his wrist like he orignially had?
and again like batzarro said maybe the big fist should be the finisher of a combo for the hyper.
but bravo
Post by: laspacho on September 06, 2010, 06:47:18 PM
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 06, 2010, 06:48:24 PM
Post by: ZVitor on September 06, 2010, 09:07:26 PM
Like what, Vitamin mentioned, his stance seems a little strange looking, like his upper body is stiff.i like this way,maybe i try add someiceeffects at hands,buti likethatpose.
btw,stance pose and hair concept by Sei
p.s. still think he needs a smart pallet thoughice shade is really diferentfrom skin/costumes shades,maybe some smart are possible,but will not look cool (i tink)
What does the hyper where he freezes the stage do though.? Didn't see it affect Gambit any.still working on that, actually i coded it to be exactly like i want, but in end it look unuseful, well, freeze reduce enemy horizontal speed at floor,but gambit jump a lot... will tink about another function....
kinda thought the giant arms animation was going to be an air special or the end to a beat up hyper, maybe. IMO it doesn't seem big enough for a hyper by itself.
yea,you are right,will back to more sprites.... :(
will he be given back ice shards auroa around his wrist like he orignially had?maybe...will try it later
are you planning on replacing the white in the BG on that stage in the vid? The contrast is way too high and it's kind of hard to look at (for me at least).good point, will fix that, i tried to use same colors of his pallet
sry if I was blinded someone
:thumbsup:
Post by: .Batzarro. on September 06, 2010, 09:38:41 PM
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 06, 2010, 09:38:59 PM
Post by: Slayer on September 06, 2010, 10:09:31 PM
Is a must have, I think at least as a Hyper, he could freeze the opponent with the beam, and then crash against him riding in his ice bridge.
I think the freezing stage hyper looks good, it lacks a heavy blizzard that can slow down the most fast fighters, and make some damage too.
Just an idea.
Post by: DoktorAvidan on September 06, 2010, 10:18:39 PM
-Slippery for Opponents to stand on
-Slows down opponent (ice chunks grow over time on opponent)
-Iceman has stronger attacks and higher defence
-Blizzard damaging hailstorm
So far that's all i've seen
and I've agreed with these.
Post by: Bonobi on September 06, 2010, 10:38:20 PM
Post by: Rage on September 07, 2010, 12:31:04 AM
If possible within the coding, could make all of P2's basic movements slower for the stage freezing hyper. I think it'd be much more useful then. If you're not thinking about making the opponent slower anymore, maybe it could make all of Iceman's attacks a bit more powerful. A third idea would be that Iceman gains a teleportation type move during this hyper. Sorta like he becomes part of the floor and can rebuild himself anywhere he wants. Though, I'm not sure if this last suggestion would fit the spectrum of his powers. If the last idea is liked, I'd combine it with one of the first two ideas as it wouldn't be enough for a hyper alone either.
that last won is a weird idea. I Think it wont work, being to over powering but it is in Ices powers. Bob has been known to turn into water and mist at times. this is usually when his powers rages out of control. It fits the technique tho.....
Post by: .Batzarro. on September 07, 2010, 02:16:18 AM
Post by: Rage on September 07, 2010, 07:13:30 AM
sorry i was more or less sleeping when i wrote that
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 09, 2010, 06:41:02 PM
Post by: adk204 on September 13, 2010, 06:08:50 PM
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 16, 2010, 04:59:53 PM
This is where Iceman's at now.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on September 16, 2010, 05:13:13 PM
Post by: yosifun on September 16, 2010, 07:53:33 PM
BTW, is there a chance for a semi-transparent palette? [-O<
Post by: Rage on September 16, 2010, 08:13:36 PM
BTW, is there a chance for a semi-transparent palette? [-O<
^^(PM)^
thats an excellent idea.
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 16, 2010, 08:40:49 PM
Post by: Bonobi on September 16, 2010, 08:53:58 PM
Post by: ZVitor on September 16, 2010, 10:04:53 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on September 17, 2010, 01:04:50 PM
Post by: O Ilusionista on September 17, 2010, 01:07:29 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on September 17, 2010, 01:27:00 PM
Have you implemented that hyper idea I gave to you?Which is ...
Post by: O Ilusionista on September 17, 2010, 01:36:11 PM
Quote
9-ice board –http://cvgunited.com/index.php/topic,6417.msg58358.html#msg58358 (http://cvgunited.com/index.php/topic,6417.msg58358.html#msg58358)
Loved! You could make a hyper version of it (think like a Maximum Spider rip-off). He travels foward with the board, changing directions each time (like 4 times) and comes with the Ice Surf at the end, form the sky
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on September 17, 2010, 01:40:39 PM
Post by: volzzilla on September 17, 2010, 02:34:54 PM
It's looking great so far, and I really like the ice sliding and surfing a lot.the people have spoken. more usage of ice sliding/surfing please :)
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 17, 2010, 02:36:17 PM
Post by: O Ilusionista on September 17, 2010, 02:40:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYIMYXpiilQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYIMYXpiilQ#)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on September 17, 2010, 02:42:05 PM
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 17, 2010, 04:12:59 PM
Post by: ZVitor on October 27, 2010, 10:03:02 PM
Have you implemented that hyper idea I gave to you?
yea :w00t:
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1935/icehyper.png)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on October 27, 2010, 10:18:56 PM
yea :w00t:Very awesome looking :thumbsup:
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1935/icehyper.png)
Post by: Arkady on October 28, 2010, 11:04:03 AM