the new mugen police

[Kung Fu Man]

today i do something nasty
i sended to marat an archive it just read chuck norris and it contains 6 trojans
that page is going down

Congrats, not only did you break the law, you announced it on a public forum.
Good job buddy!

[Saber Alter]

That "you are an idiot flash" will fit this occasion

[SdotThaDon]

today i do something nasty
i sended to marat an archive it just read chuck norris and it contains 6 trojans
that page is going down

beware: extreme example of stupidity above
This I just don't get, you are willing to be criminally charged to stop a site that you don't even have a creation on?

Wugzapanzermanathod<--one of the few people whose brain actually functions in the real world while sitting at his comp.

Mugen has a number of hypocritical types lurking, this has been staus quo. I disagree with leaking betas but at the same time you can prevent this on your own. There's no sense in trusting people over an internet connection, I just can't see it. As far as copyrights go, since when can I claim owner's rights on previously copyritten material? Just because I draw over capcom employee A's sprites I own them? I think not. Copyritten material being swipped does not only apply to warehousers and "cut and paste" chars. You should enforce copyright tolerance all around if it is considered morally incorrect.

I've seen "creators" passing out photoshop keygens on another site, why is this ok?
 Of the people who edit sigs how many use copyrighted photos or comic art work without permission? 
Where do our bgms come from? Oh thats right: we download them. 
Where do most sprites come from after all? Oh yeah, dowloading roms. (as well as ripping them and proceeding to claim them as our own)
^Sounds too!
This is not an attack on those who do these things, but a reminder of things to consider before we go condeming the actions of others. As an artist, I understand the frustration of plagiarism. I don't condone it but look around this is the internet, it's futile to fight these battles.

[The Rippah, Roo'Jizah Panzermanathod]

Wugzapanzermanathod<--one of the few people whose brain actually functions in the real world while sitting at his comp.

 

Twice in one thread? Wow...


In any case, I'm glad someone else has sense as well. I've downloaded pirated games, music, movies, and programs, and I've bought bootlegged CD's before. Also, as some know, using the Mugen engine was illegal (I'm not too sure on KFM's abandonware(?) statement. ). Who am I to claim copyright on sprites made by someone else?

As for stopping warehouses, nothing can really stop them save for all Mugen activity ceasing for a few years, or stopping the internet.

Release stuff not for respect, but for the hopes of entertaining someone. Respect is a bonus, and disrespect is a side effect.

[OrwellianDawn]

I've always had respect for those two; now, it all becomes clear to me as to why.

[SdotThaDon]

Wugzapanzermanathod<--one of the few people whose brain actually functions in the real world while sitting at his comp.

 

Twice in one thread? Wow...


In any case, I'm glad someone else has sense as well. I've downloaded pirated games, music, movies, and programs, and I've bought bootlegged CD's before. Also, as some know, using the Mugen engine was illegal (I'm not too sure on KFM's abandonware(?) statement. ). Who am I to claim copyright on sprites made by someone else?

As for stopping warehouses, nothing can really stop them save for all Mugen activity ceasing for a few years, or stopping the internet.

Release stuff not for respect, but for the hopes of entertaining someone. Respect is a bonus, and disrespect is a side effect.

agreed.

As for abandonware, I'm not too familiar with it so I looked around and got this from wikipedia(maybe not so credible?):

Abandonware refers to computer software that is no longer current. While the term has been applied largely to older games, other classes of software are sometimes described as such also. Definitions of "abandoned" vary; generally, it is used to refer to software that (1) is no longer available for legitimate purchase and/or (2) is at least a certain number of years old.

The term has no legal meaning, and much abandonware is not in the public domain, and so cannot be legally copied or distributed without the permission of the owner. Copyrights in the U.S. do not expire until 70 years after the death of the copyright owner, or if the copyright is held by a company (as is often the case with software), 95 years after first publication.[1]
The term abandonware is used to make copying software appear legitimate, in the case where the software is still under copyright protection.[2]

The law
There is no recognition of a legal term abandonware in copyright law. There is a long held concept of abandonment in trademark law, but it is a direct result of the infinite term of trademark protection. Currently, a copyright can be released into the public domain if the owner clearly does so in writing; however this formal process is not considered abandoning, but rather releasing. Those who do not own a copyright cannot merely claim the copyright abandoned and start using it without permission of the copyright holder, who would then have a legal remedy. Hence abandonware is sometimes considered to be synonymous with "old warez".

Hosting and distributing copyrighted software without permission is illegal.

Some who are ignorant of copyright law have incorrectly taken this to mean that abandonware is legal to distribute, although no software is old enough for its copyrights to have expired. Even in cases where the original company no longer exists, the rights usually still belong to someone else, though no one may know who actually owns the rights, including the owners themselves.

A neccesary evil though.....

I've always had respect for those two; now, it all becomes clear to me as to why.

just speaking my mind friend.

[The Rippah, Roo'Jizah Panzermanathod]

Reading it over a few times to make sure I comprehend everything, it seems to me that the term "abandonware" is no more than a label to a non-existent loophole. At least, as far as this article goes.

[SdotThaDon]

Seems to be the case, but as I said before I'm not sure about the credibilty of wiki.

[OrwellianDawn]

The terms "credibility" and "Wikipedia" are polar opposites, my friends. Take that for what it's worth. Hell, Wikipedia regularly endures vandalism (admittedly) by the two "major" political parties and other undesirables.

[The Rippah, Roo'Jizah Panzermanathod]

I'm not completely trusting Wiki either, hence me saying "as far as the article goes".

[dvr88]

also regarding respect
respect has to be earned
if you have made your creations private then of course they will be warehoused what do you think?
you are being stingy with your creations(and i am not talking about betas or unfinished chars) then not many ppl will respect you cause you are not giving anything to mugen community just making chars and keeping them in your bosom and saying because they are being warehoused. gimme a break! they are getting warehoused more than online creations cause you dont share your chars.
crreators get respect when they make great creations and they share them as well no matter what. they are hte ones who get the most respect