Post by: Acey on May 02, 2011, 08:03:27 AM
http://www.techeye.net/security/no-compensation-will-be-good-enough-for-the-psn-hack (http://www.techeye.net/security/no-compensation-will-be-good-enough-for-the-psn-hack)
Post by: C.R.O.M. - Shadaloo Lives! on May 02, 2011, 08:48:21 AM
Post by: ClubSyN-X-TReME on May 02, 2011, 08:53:15 AM
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/30/press-release-some-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services-to-be-available-this-week/ (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/30/press-release-some-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services-to-be-available-this-week/)
Selected games will be able to download for free, all psn users will have a 30 day plus service and for plus users like myself will have an additional 30 days of free service.
There are more in the blog.
Post by: Goenitz on May 02, 2011, 11:14:09 AM
Post by: ClubSyN-X-TReME on May 02, 2011, 11:22:59 AM
Post by: Jason Todd on May 02, 2011, 11:25:36 AM
Post by: Sabaki on May 02, 2011, 11:31:37 AM
Post by: C.R.O.M. - Shadaloo Lives! on May 02, 2011, 05:19:23 PM
Every time I make a purchase I manually input my card info, then delete the info after the transaction is complete from my profile, so I should be good.This is what I usually do.
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on May 02, 2011, 05:34:33 PM
I'm surprized... so one has really been talking about the news regarding the PS3 network being hacked...
I don't think we've been talking about because dang near everywhere else is. Somehow, it feels a little redundant now even. I dunno, is that odd?
Post by: Acey on May 02, 2011, 05:48:36 PM
Post by: ClubSyN-X-TReME on May 02, 2011, 05:52:19 PM
Post by: SanjiSasuke on May 02, 2011, 06:04:15 PM
Post by: ClubSyN-X-TReME on May 03, 2011, 12:37:07 PM
Post by: Dead Phoenix on May 03, 2011, 12:59:09 PM
Post by: vyn on May 04, 2011, 01:01:40 PM
Neways theres little to be done except changing passwords here and ther plus some monitoring.
Ive seen Sony take some serious heat this last week days from the community, the media and the ususal opportunists looking for lawsuit money all arguing how its Sonys fault for some crappy security. I dunno isnt the ps3 the one console that took the longest to hack? arent they the ones who pursue hackers and piracy the most? (and hte reason stupid hackers target them) i just dont see them being lazy and leaving the info out there for any half-caliber hacker to take it, sure the hackers are faceless but arent they the ones to blame?. Many top names apoligized in public which may not seem like much to us but in their culture its pretty damn meaningful.
So wahts your take on Sony guys? is it their fault? Are they handling it propperly?
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on May 04, 2011, 01:46:39 PM
So wahts your take on Sony guys? is it their fault? Are they handling it propperly?
man this is as always bro Vyn an open and shut kinda talk. its always the Hacker Fault. plain and simple. why i say this...simple...no one tells anyone to go and HACK software. its a choice wether to do so or not. Sony IS NOT responsible for the choices some retards make to go and modify, hack, break whatever into their programming and do ILLEGAL stuff. Thats like the owners a house being blamed for robbers breaking in. uhhh yeah right. My house...locks on my doors...keep yo A$$ out! how is that hard to understand? Hackers follow a no rule belief. they do it cause they think they can. consequences arent even really a factor. they like the creds. but when its time to pay the penalty... :'( :'( i sooo sorrry! :'( :'(. lol
too late.. did the crime now pay the piper. but well yeah this is what i think. A company cannot be at fault for my choosing to illegally alter or and hack into their product. better security? sure.. but no matter how great your security...it can be broken. so ps3 owners with the network shouldnt be angry with sony...be mad at the guy that broke into your house and stole your stuff from you. point blank. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: Acey on May 04, 2011, 02:15:21 PM
Obviously the hacker philosophy is that, "I bought this console, I should be able to do what ever I want with it. I should be able to hack the hard drive, remove hardware or even shove it in a blender if I want."
As a forum IMT does not support or encourage hacking but we also don't make it our business to enter your house and tell you what to do.
Post by: vyn on May 04, 2011, 02:46:53 PM
However we are now talking about the PSN, not the geohotz incident, because of a group of hackers we, the users, are unable to play online games which we have paid good money for and have the right to play. Whos the bully now? is it my right to go and shoot some hackers now?
I seriously doubt whoever is behind it wants to somehow defend us the hard working online community agaisnt the all mighty faceless greedy company. They were either after the money or showing how big of an annonymous man they are.
Post by: Acey on May 04, 2011, 02:51:52 PM
...is it my right to go and shoot some hackers now?
As a web admin I can't say, "yes" but this is intriguing.
Post by: vyn on May 04, 2011, 02:56:02 PM
Post by: Rage on May 04, 2011, 03:15:55 PM
Second. When the first hacks for DLC and mods where made they didnt even shut down psn while they tryed to fix it. That was a noob decision. You cant fix it while people are using psn. It leave holes all in the security.
So yeah this is sonys fault. The cause for the problem was the users but it was sony actions that cause the result.
Post by: SanjiSasuke on May 04, 2011, 03:59:13 PM
Linux user are computers programmers and Hacker so why F' with them. o.O#
Thats a stereotype! *looks at own OS category*
:-"
Post by: Rage on May 04, 2011, 04:09:34 PM
Thats a stereotype! *looks at own OS category*
:-"
Maybe so but sony thought the same and what happened?
Post by: SanjiSasuke on May 04, 2011, 04:45:45 PM
Post by: Rage on May 04, 2011, 04:56:09 PM
I never said it was an incorrect stereotype.
so is it any true to it? are you a hacker :(|) are you to blame >:D
Post by: SanjiSasuke on May 04, 2011, 05:05:07 PM
Post by: ATiC3 on May 04, 2011, 05:37:35 PM
Post by: Acey on May 04, 2011, 09:51:32 PM
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on May 05, 2011, 06:53:35 AM
Maybe i am looking at this from a business owners perspective and not from a freedom fighter of the net standpoint. lol
Hackers do help in alot of ways without getting paid on the front end and the back end. they push technology to develop better ways for hacks to be harder and making software more encrypted. we just had a dude hack our company mainframe...why...because he figured out how , for no reason. Bored. now looks like the employee ( actually , he worked at the job o.O#).. is in hot water and he got fired yesterday morning. From what my boss told me and my crew... he is up sh&%$ creek! i for one believe ..yes.. once you bought a system of any kind..its yours to do what you will. but.. and i do say but.. when you use your know how to break rules that are set forth to be followed within company guidelines and you totally break them...whats supposed to happen. Hack yo own stuff and keep it yourself from trouble, why hack and post the stuff openly when ya know you gonna get into trouble? o.O# :rulez:
Post by: Rage on May 05, 2011, 07:31:51 AM
SOOOOOO from what i am reading ..is that Hackers who break the law should be ...ok? so if someone broke into your system and hack yo stuff that you make ya money from and pay your employees to feed they fam and what not , that sony should chalk it up? i am just wondering.
Maybe i am looking at this from a business owners perspective and not from a freedom fighter of the net standpoint. lol
Hackers do help in alot of ways without getting paid on the front end and the back end. they push technology to develop better ways for hacks to be harder and making software more encrypted. we just had a dude hack our company mainframe...why...because he figured out how , for no reason. Bored. now looks like the employee ( actually , he worked at the job o.O#).. is in hot water and he got fired yesterday morning. From what my boss told me and my crew... he is up sh&%$ creek! i for one believe ..yes.. once you bought a system of any kind..its yours to do what you will. but.. and i do say but.. when you use your know how to break rules that are set forth to be followed within company guidelines and you totally break them...whats supposed to happen. Hack yo own stuff and keep it yourself from trouble, why hack and post the stuff openly when ya know you gonna get into trouble? o.O# :rulez:
when u hack a system its not breaking the law. Now going into the game and cheating is wrong. Getiing mad because people using the mods to cheat is cool. Banning any one who uses a soft you put on the system and had implanted there for 5 years is wrong.
what if a havent played in years and decide to turn it on. Oh now im banned when i sign on because i have a older model? Not cool. Also many used the banned software for other things. moding/ hacking the games just came about recently with ps3. So that action was bad. and it hit the wrong people. the proper thing to do be would have ban those who have unually activity with their system. Tho targeting everyone using the one bad apple rule works 90% of the time. There those times it wont work and you need to look at the whole picture. Not a quick fix.
And Quick fix is why i wont ever again use psn ton buy any thing. To build a mult-million dollar net work in a week or even two? No buddy there still security issues........
Post by: Sabaki on May 05, 2011, 12:10:13 PM
There are good hackers, like the ones who help strengthen security and point out flaws. Hacking a system for your own benefits is also OK. Problem is when you post up all that info about how to hack copyrighted technology for everyone to see. That hurts businesses in so many ways. Actually, for those who hack stuff prefer not to expose how they do it in the open, but share the info amongst themselves.
Now, the Anonymous group have no right to do what they did and hack Sony. For what, because Sony sued GeoHot? For the name of justice? And yeah, the (ex) employee is going up the creek for sure.
Post by: vyn on May 05, 2011, 01:48:06 PM
I dont know how popular ps3 piracy is in the states but what i do know is that there are plenty of little shops or plain streetsellers here who offer to mod your ps3 for like 10 bucks to run pirated copies and sell the copies for about the same money, then you walk a little more downtown and you can buy a stolen ps3. You know how much money gets from all this? Zero.
And no i dont work for sony (i wish i did though lol) nor am i defending their right to make money, im seeing this purely from a consumer point of view and what is the problem with piracy affecting games? that i can only find blockbuster games in local stores, that indie developers get no chance to make games, that i play the 12th version of a succesful franchise, that a game is sold to me for almost 100 dollars. Many things cause all this but piracy is one of the biggest causes and above all its illegal.
Now what do these hackers have to do with all that? Simple the very dude who offers to mod your console will be very honest when asked where he learned how to mod it, he will say "internet".
Nintendo kinda let this pass, xbox is as hacked as it can get but Sony took the harsh bully way and nobody likes a bully but if the industry i love is somewhat benefited by these actions and the downside is just people not being able to install linux in their console, so be it.
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on May 05, 2011, 02:21:16 PM
we the innocent bystanders and consumers get caught up in the crossfire for other peoples wars. so its no different in the Gaming world of war. Those Hackers actions just kept crossing the line surely and surely and sony just said... we are going to do away with something and so they are. i cant blaim them. i cannot find them at fault in entirely. they are doing wjhat anyone would do. protect their assets and their brand. they put in all the hardwork of making something for people...and their wallets lol and never had to do it at all and here you have those select people totally taking advantage of it. so what they do stuff business wise you may not like. thats your issue not the company, you dont work for sony, either do i or a ton of people you know what i mean? so the way to properly show sony legally is to not buy their products. period. not go break laws.. that are true to the laws and expect nothing to happen. Cause and Effect my friends. :D
Post by: SanjiSasuke on May 05, 2011, 04:04:48 PM
Second, geohot never intended directly for piracy, just being able to use the system fully, and allowing for homemade games and as a side being able to use a feature that was on the box.
If this had happened to some other game company that had a system none of us played we'd be happy that the corporation got what came to it. But because it cut into our CoD, MvC, and MK time we are against it.
Post by: vyn on May 05, 2011, 04:14:09 PM
By themselves they did pretty much nothing despite media coverage but if you dont put your foot down on the little things it just keeps growing which is what sony tries to stop or at least contain to not lose much money and something i support because it ultimately helps the industry, at least the one that plays by the rules (laws).
I still believe the geohotz incident and its pistolero ramifications have nothing to do with the attack on the psn and the sony online data so i treat them separatedly. The first is pretty debatable while the attack is a plain criminal act looking for money.
Post by: Sabaki on May 05, 2011, 04:51:14 PM
If this had happened to some other game company that had a system none of us played we'd be happy that the corporation got what came to it. But because it cut into our CoD, MvC, and MK time we are against it.Er, I don't have nor play CoD or MK, and although I have MvC3, I haven't played online for a looooooooong time. Ask Shadoloo, I declined his last invite to play in his lobby.
Look, the argument is not about supporting a major corporation like Sony. It's about hacking and the dangers it causes by those with little regard. GeoHot has been hacking stuff and putting them online for peeps to learn for awhile, such as the iPhone hack. As I mentioned before, there are hacks that benefit the advancement of technology, and there are some that don't. Constantly violating a company's policy to promote piracy AND teaching others how to do it to promote piracy on the internet is just wrong. Stuff like hacking can be kept underground and in the low amongst other hackers, but that was not his intentions.
Posting up a company's code such as PS3's root keys is cool to you? Sure, GeoHot's intentions were to allow gamers to play homebrew and explore a device's security coding, but if a company feels it's a violation of their policy, then they can't shut it down? Plus sensitive information like Sony's security coding can further be compromised by companies who wish to steal their their technology and use it in their own products. This is where GeoHot did wrong. The hack on the PSN most likely had nothing to do with him, so no blame on him but the individuals who did it (still leading to Anonymous).
You need to look at the big picture. It is not about being able to play homebrew games all in one nice little package, or even to run another OS (honestly, there's no need for that if you're a gamer). There is no justice in "sticking it to the man cuz you ain't getting my $$$ anymore cuz I'm playing games for free!!" Sony is a business, and operates similar to most businesses. Every product gets hacked, reverse-engineered, altered, whatever. However, exposing how to do it or sensitive technology is a crime, simple as that.
Post by: SanjiSasuke on May 05, 2011, 06:50:02 PM
For example the only CFW maker they went after was the one guy who specifically made the program unable to support pirated .pkg (game) files. o.O#
I completely agree with the crackdown of piracy, though, it drove the PSP to the grave, unfortunate. :(
Oh, and MK and CoD were just examples of popular games, I wasn't calling specifics.
Post by: vyn on May 05, 2011, 08:47:04 PM
AKA another attack is supposedly coming
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20060227-260.html (http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20060227-260.html)
Post by: Sabaki on May 05, 2011, 09:13:34 PM
Post by: Rage on May 05, 2011, 09:20:05 PM
Damn! If they can be successive a third time then it's got to be an inside job.
this is sonys doing. they claim they got access to there servers. When sony tried to fix the psn without shuting it off to the public it left them open. left holes to be exploited. Dumb@$$e$
Post by: SanjiSasuke on May 05, 2011, 10:31:05 PM
Post by: Sabaki on May 05, 2011, 10:45:00 PM
this is sonys doing. they claim they got access to there servers. When sony tried to fix the psn without shuting it off to the public it left them open. left holes to be exploited. Dumb@$$e$Hmm, that could be true. Sony needs to redo the security and stuff for their servers and sites, change permissions, etc.
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on May 06, 2011, 01:45:00 AM
ehh i think even tho it cvould be an inside job..yeah 3 times does sound suspect to me. i think its gonna have very bad effect as a whole. PSn could shut down completely. sony has the right to do that especially if its gonna put risks on future games, customers, share holders and the like. But see.. the hackers dont think about that. its about ..proving a non valid point to them. So you gonna ruin everyones enjoyment because yall dont like the fact sony is suing a fellow hacker for getting caught?? /:O .. sooo you mean to tell me giving some random guy they dont know for a lawyer by way of defense donations..(i heard people gave him donations).. may lose all because.. he broke the law he was supposed to adhere to? and then you basically lost all your money you gave for a cause you know was ...wrong to begin with? Says it on every single thing not to infringe on the corporations rules.
hey hack your stuff you bought..no problem.. keep it undergropund..no problem ..but yeah stupid posting it so everyone can do it and its against the laws...uhh punishment? thats like your mom tells you its time to go to bed when you was a kid and you decide to wait till she knocked out to go and sneak food from the fridge and ya get caught. uhh punishement! you broke the rules. yeah ok some peeps parents may give you a slap on the wrist and scolding and send ya back to bed but yeah some of us olders ones.. ya got grounded! especially it happens too many times! lol. In a sane society this is what happens. break rule, punishment whatever it may be. Sony is only and was only gonna let this happen but so much before taking action. Believe me.. no matter how many hackers think sony aint gonna come after them too and just stick it to this kid... think again. XD||
Now we all pay ( well i have 360 soooo... :-j) for the dumbness of a select group doing something without thinking who this all is really gonna hurt.... the gamers. ::salute::
Post by: LarsAlexandersson on May 06, 2011, 05:09:02 PM
Post by: vyn on May 09, 2011, 02:18:25 PM
http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/5/9/anonymous-civil-war-anonops-sites-are-hacked/ (http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/5/9/anonymous-civil-war-anonops-sites-are-hacked/)
http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/5/9/exclusive-anonops-splinter-group-speaks-out/ (http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/5/9/exclusive-anonops-splinter-group-speaks-out/)
Post by: Dead Phoenix on May 09, 2011, 02:38:47 PM
Post by: Acey on May 09, 2011, 03:08:56 PM
Post by: SanjiSasuke on May 09, 2011, 04:41:21 PM
Post by: LarsAlexandersson on May 11, 2011, 04:56:30 AM
Post by: C.R.O.M. - Shadaloo Lives! on May 11, 2011, 04:59:04 AM
looks like sony/fbi/superman wont have to screw anonymous, they are doing it all by themselves :):DxDie =D>
http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/5/9/anonymous-civil-war-anonops-sites-are-hacked/ (http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/5/9/anonymous-civil-war-anonops-sites-are-hacked/)
http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/5/9/exclusive-anonops-splinter-group-speaks-out/ (http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/5/9/exclusive-anonops-splinter-group-speaks-out/)
Post by: Acey on May 11, 2011, 10:00:08 AM
I'd bet a fair bit that the Ryon guy is the one in favor of attacking PSN and that the others are in for Sony alone instead, as that was the message of the Anonymous official site before Benedict Arnold attacked.
What Ryan said was the the organization was becoming too centralized, which means too much power in one place. I totally believe that so I'm glad he tried to disperse the network.
Post by: SanjiSasuke on May 11, 2011, 04:39:32 PM
Post by: Acey on May 11, 2011, 05:06:02 PM
A good concept, but the problem I can see is that unless power is concentrated, it can be very weak.
The whole point of the formation of the U.S. government was to decentralize power. Instead of all power being in the king it was divided between the three branches. Of course there can exist a benevolent monarch but that does not assure a benevolent monarch in the future, this is the reason for decantralization, to avoid one corrupt person from having too much power.
So the organization as a whole should be decentralized. As for individual functions of that organization, there needs to be strong leaders and basically control it's functionality.
Take IMT for example, we maintain an administration of 6 right now. The top is decentralized, but each project we have had maintained one man head, Acey for EoH, ZVitor for XSE and Laspacho for RMM. Otherwise we'd be spending all our time talking and no time actually doing.
Post by: SanjiSasuke on May 11, 2011, 05:59:27 PM
Post by: Dead Phoenix on May 14, 2011, 08:52:33 PM
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/14/play-on-%e2%80%93-psn-restoration-begins-now/ (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/14/play-on-%e2%80%93-psn-restoration-begins-now/)
Quote
Thank you for your patience and encouragement over the last few weeks. As covered in the post from earlier today, you can now update the firmware on your PS3 and change your password. Kazuo Hirai just announced that we have begun the phased restoration by region of some of the services, starting with online multiplayer functionality.
Please note that these services will take a bit of time to be turned on and rolled out to the whole country. The process has begun and some states are being turned on now, so please be patient as we reach your city and state. We’ll be updating the map below as service comes online in individual states. It will take several hours to restore PSN throughout the entire country, so please keep checking back for the latest updates. In the meantime, now’s a great time to get your PS3’s firmware updated and change your password, both of which are required to get online.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2758/5719596227_3ab54e351b_z.jpg)
Map updated 12:03m Pacific
Notice: If your state is illuminated but your service has not yet been restored, please be patient – it can take a little while for the servers to populate fully.
Post by: C.R.O.M. - Shadaloo Lives! on May 14, 2011, 09:13:47 PM
Post by: The King Sic-1™ on May 14, 2011, 09:24:53 PM
:w00t: Now I can get my @$$ kicked by you guys in MK9!
i just updated my firmware for my PS3.... but it won't let me change my password right now, and i still can't get online....i'm looking forward to getting online with MK9
Post by: C.R.O.M. - Shadaloo Lives! on May 14, 2011, 09:29:27 PM
i just updated my firmware for my PS3.... but it won't let me change my password right now, and i still can't get online....Same here...(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9650/disapprove.png)
Post by: vyn on May 14, 2011, 10:10:56 PM
Post by: Enso on May 14, 2011, 10:11:41 PM
Post by: Dead Phoenix on May 14, 2011, 10:28:22 PM
Where can I update the firmware? I haven't been going online lately.From their site via usb port or on the system.
so does this mean the rest of the world wont get back online yet or does it just mean we dont get a fancy map thing?No fancy map thing. That was taken from the US playstation blog. Each region will be restarted
but its not stated at what time on ethier the US or UK blog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tHl6O5Sp8w&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tHl6O5Sp8w&feature=player_embedded#)
Post by: LarsAlexandersson on May 15, 2011, 12:56:08 AM
Post by: Sabaki on May 15, 2011, 12:31:54 PM
Post by: C.R.O.M. - Shadaloo Lives! on May 15, 2011, 04:49:01 PM
Post by: The King Sic-1™ on May 15, 2011, 07:00:18 PM
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on May 15, 2011, 07:37:36 PM
yay!! i can play COD again!
uhh Black Ops might have you? hmmmmmm >:D wait.. you mean on PSN! :'( dang!
Post by: The King Sic-1™ on May 15, 2011, 07:53:54 PM
uhh Black Ops might have you? hmmmmmm >:D wait.. you mean on PSN! :'( dang!
i have it on xbox too.... i just like playing it more on PSN
Post by: Enso on May 15, 2011, 10:21:55 PM
i have it on xbox too.... i just like playing it more on PSN:D S***! Can you play your X360 on PSN? :D
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on May 15, 2011, 10:24:56 PM
:D S***! Can you play your X360 on PSN? :D
/:O
:DxDie :DxDie :DxDie
Post by: Rage on May 15, 2011, 11:03:18 PM
/:Ohes making fun of sic. sic said psn instead of ps3 :D
:DxDie :DxDie :DxDie
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on May 15, 2011, 11:12:58 PM
Post by: Enso on May 16, 2011, 12:14:24 AM
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on May 16, 2011, 12:18:34 AM
Who says I'm making fun of Sic? I think I misunderstood what he said. I just realized he meant Black Ops. o.O#:DxDie :DxDie :DxDie :DxDie :DxDie
Post by: Enso on May 16, 2011, 02:44:26 AM
:DxDie :DxDie :DxDie :DxDie :DxDieWhat? /:O
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on May 16, 2011, 03:00:42 AM
Post by: Enso on May 16, 2011, 03:04:50 AM
Post by: Sabaki on May 16, 2011, 10:29:50 AM
Man, feels like I haven't played games with others in months. I was online up until 3 am battling Majinis in RE 5 with Vyn and having a ball :)
Looking forward to years of hacker-free gameplay on the PS3...until the next gen systems roll out :D
Post by: vyn on May 16, 2011, 06:08:23 PM
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/16/details-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-customer-appreciation-program-in-north-america/ (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/16/details-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-customer-appreciation-program-in-north-america/)
LBP and infamous are the only ones worth it and i have them already -_-, guess ill get dead nation for the coop and wipeout? is it any good?. Psp ill get LBP.
Post by: C.R.O.M. - Shadaloo Lives! on May 16, 2011, 06:42:29 PM
freebies listI can get them all using the three accounts on my system!
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/16/details-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-customer-appreciation-program-in-north-america/ (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/16/details-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-customer-appreciation-program-in-north-america/)
LBP and infamous are the only ones worth it and i have them already -_-, guess ill get dead nation for the coop and wipeout? is it any good?. Psp ill get LBP.