Post by: Sabaki on June 24, 2008, 03:51:21 PM
Kenji and Jon Talbain have been updated, dealing with a few issues, fixes, and changes. Here's a condensed list of some of the changes made.
Kenji:
-Dropped Oboro Ichimonji for regular Ichimonji (now all kunais hit)
-Recoded MvC Physics and Interaction stuff abit for consistency during team battles
-Reduced duration of UGC
-Fixed issues with Variable Counters
-Realigned some clsn boxes
-Retimed some basic attacks
Jon Talbain:
-Sped up some basic attacks, and adjusted collision boxes for others
-Made cannon turn during Beast Cannon much easier
-Billion Flicker tweaked to juggle airborne opponents better
-Recoded MvC Physics and Interaction stuff abit for consistency during team battles
-Fixed issues with Variable Counters
-Added getpower = 0 to all Hyper Combos
-Speed & hitpause tweaked for Million Flicker, as well as reflected those changes for Mirage Body
-Made 2 cmds depending on motion preferred for Air Twilight Drop, Million Flicker, Wild Ride, and Twilight Drop
Unless some glaring issues occur, I'm gonna focus on dealing with the debug issues, and get their AI ready. Abit late for a 4th July release, but nonetheless an updated release. Enjoy!
Main Link: www.infinitymugenteam.com (http://www.infinitymugenteam.com) (will be up soon)
*PATCH (8/2/2008): http://www.mediafire.com/?nd0idcmwmdx (http://www.mediafire.com/?nd0idcmwmdx)
Post by: Nilakantha on June 24, 2008, 04:00:29 PM
Post by: MuηkyMØÜf on June 24, 2008, 04:37:39 PM
Post by: xM.Ξ.†.Λ.L.G.Ξ.Λ.Rx™ on June 24, 2008, 05:20:42 PM
Post by: ExShadow on June 24, 2008, 05:26:42 PM
Nice job Sabaki as usual. I will try him out later on tonight.ill say nice char :)
Post by: DizzyTheConquer on June 24, 2008, 05:41:41 PM
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on June 24, 2008, 05:54:29 PM
Post by: Chimp Master on June 24, 2008, 10:34:53 PM
Nice try, but it feels like you only made a Mukuro (Kenji) sprite wise. The character here doesn't even remotely feel like Mukuro anymore. This is like I'm playing as some random guy with a choppy MVC style dressed like Mukuro. Sorry, but this character fails in my book.
Post by: malisiousjoe on June 24, 2008, 11:20:43 PM
This character made me die a little bit on the inside....
Nice try, but it feels like you only made a Mukuro (Kenji) sprite wise. The character here doesn't even remotely feel like Mukuro anymore. This is like I'm playing as some random guy with a choppy MVC style dressed like Mukuro. Sorry, but this character fails in my book.
Are you new to mugen?
Post by: Chimp Master on June 24, 2008, 11:24:58 PM
Of coarse I'll give him a try.This character made me die a little bit on the inside....
Nice try, but it feels like you only made a Mukuro (Kenji) sprite wise. The character here doesn't even remotely feel like Mukuro anymore. This is like I'm playing as some random guy with a choppy MVC style dressed like Mukuro. Sorry, but this character fails in my book.
Are you new to mugen?
I've been in the mugen world a while now, I'm just starting to state my opinion here. Just a question, but why did you think that?
Post by: malisiousjoe on June 24, 2008, 11:32:54 PM
Of coarse I'll give him a try.This character made me die a little bit on the inside....
Nice try, but it feels like you only made a Mukuro (Kenji) sprite wise. The character here doesn't even remotely feel like Mukuro anymore. This is like I'm playing as some random guy with a choppy MVC style dressed like Mukuro. Sorry, but this character fails in my book.
Are you new to mugen?
I've been in the mugen world a while now, I'm just starting to state my opinion here. Just a question, but why did you think that?
Because every char made for Mugen doesn't have to conform to the original char and many don't.
Post by: Chimp Master on June 24, 2008, 11:37:32 PM
Of coarse I'll give him a try.This character made me die a little bit on the inside....
Nice try, but it feels like you only made a Mukuro (Kenji) sprite wise. The character here doesn't even remotely feel like Mukuro anymore. This is like I'm playing as some random guy with a choppy MVC style dressed like Mukuro. Sorry, but this character fails in my book.
Are you new to mugen?
I've been in the mugen world a while now, I'm just starting to state my opinion here. Just a question, but why did you think that?
Because every char made for Mugen doesn't have to conform to the original char and many don't.
I understand that everything can't be just like the original character, but they have to be able to retain the feeling of that character. I understand that Red Earth style wouldn't fit the style that the creator is going for here, but it should least be able to feel like Mukuro. I hate to use this overrated example, but like POTS, his characters aren't one hundred percent like their original counterparts, however they feel like them. This, however, doesn't even start to feel like Mukuro should.
Post by: malisiousjoe on June 24, 2008, 11:41:10 PM
Of coarse I'll give him a try.This character made me die a little bit on the inside....
Nice try, but it feels like you only made a Mukuro (Kenji) sprite wise. The character here doesn't even remotely feel like Mukuro anymore. This is like I'm playing as some random guy with a choppy MVC style dressed like Mukuro. Sorry, but this character fails in my book.
Are you new to mugen?
I've been in the mugen world a while now, I'm just starting to state my opinion here. Just a question, but why did you think that?
Because every char made for Mugen doesn't have to conform to the original char and many don't.
I understand that everything can't be just like the original character, but they have to be able to retain the feeling of that character. I understand that Red Earth style wouldn't fit the style that the creator is going for here, but it should least be able to feel like Mukuro. I hate to use this overrated example, but like POTS, his characters aren't one hundred percent like their original counterparts, however they feel like them. This, however, doesn't even start to feel like Mukuro should.
Nicely explained but I'll let Sabaki respond to that...
Post by: KPT25 on June 24, 2008, 11:48:32 PM
Of course ppl is allowed to voice their opinion ,but there are better ways to say it... :-??
Either way,as malisiousjoe said,better leave it to sabaki
Post by: Darkgargos on June 25, 2008, 12:56:41 AM
Post by: Sabaki on June 25, 2008, 07:43:05 AM
This character made me die a little bit on the inside....hmm...I see you haven't played Warzard enough to get a better judgement on the transition from Red Earth to MvC style of gameplay, for you'd see & feel that he feels very closely to how Kenji/Mukuro feels. Then you should rip on Capcom for what they did to Megaman, for he's not supposed to do hand-to-hand fighting but only jump & shoot, and his powerup system is activated & used wrongly. Sam as Jin, for he's only supposed to fight within his suit, NOT outside. Or what about Bison? He's now slower, is projectile is weirder, and he can fly?!? None of them feel according to your ideology, right?
Nice try, but it feels like you only made a Mukuro (Kenji) sprite wise. The character here doesn't even remotely feel like Mukuro anymore. This is like I'm playing as some random guy with a choppy MVC style dressed like Mukuro. Sorry, but this character fails in my book.
Well, I would continue this comparison...but last I heard you won't be back on for a week L-) . So I'll wait.....maybe not :P
Post by: umarboy1991 on June 25, 2008, 08:13:19 AM
Post by: Sabaki on June 25, 2008, 09:08:41 AM
Hello Sabaki=D just wondering.. how is it going with ur Psylocke? and what are u planning for her?=DShe's about done. Her release is still pending due to minor things (i.e. writing the readme, palettes, etc.).
Post by: JonnyTanna on June 25, 2008, 10:04:16 AM
Can't wait for Tabasa!
:)
Post by: tremainekr on June 25, 2008, 12:44:10 PM
This character made me die a little bit on the inside....
Nice try, but it feels like you only made a Mukuro (Kenji) sprite wise. The character here doesn't even remotely feel like Mukuro anymore. This is like I'm playing as some random guy with a choppy MVC style dressed like Mukuro. Sorry, but this character fails in my book.
pay no attention to the negative. great character
Post by: shinra358 on June 25, 2008, 12:55:27 PM
This character made me die a little bit on the inside....hmm...I see you haven't played Warzard enough to get a better judgement on the transition from Red Earth to MvC style of gameplay, for you'd see & feel that he feels very closely to how Kenji/Mukuro feels. Then you should rip on Capcom for what they did to Megaman, for he's not supposed to do hand-to-hand fighting but only jump & shoot, and his powerup system is activated & used wrongly. Sam as Jin, for he's only supposed to fight within his suit, NOT outside. Or what about Bison? He's now slower, is projectile is weirder, and he can fly?!? None of them feel according to your ideology, right?
Nice try, but it feels like you only made a Mukuro (Kenji) sprite wise. The character here doesn't even remotely feel like Mukuro anymore. This is like I'm playing as some random guy with a choppy MVC style dressed like Mukuro. Sorry, but this character fails in my book.
Well, I would continue this comparison...but last I heard you won't be back on for a week L-) . So I'll wait.....maybe not :P
havent tested your kenji, though im sure its good, but you are wrong about megaman and jin lol. whats the purpose of them being in the game if they just throw projectiles the whole time? I mean you can drive your car and get out and throw punches and kicks for no reason if u wanted to. doesnt make capcom wrong for making jin fight without his suit. i mean power rangers still fight without there suit right. megaman even fights in the 3d megaman games so why shouldnt he be able to fight in mvc? you gotta make ur point some other way cuz that didnt cut it lol.
Post by: Sabaki on June 25, 2008, 03:05:14 PM
This character made me die a little bit on the inside....hmm...I see you haven't played Warzard enough to get a better judgement on the transition from Red Earth to MvC style of gameplay, for you'd see & feel that he feels very closely to how Kenji/Mukuro feels. Then you should rip on Capcom for what they did to Megaman, for he's not supposed to do hand-to-hand fighting but only jump & shoot, and his powerup system is activated & used wrongly. Sam as Jin, for he's only supposed to fight within his suit, NOT outside. Or what about Bison? He's now slower, is projectile is weirder, and he can fly?!? None of them feel according to your ideology, right?
Nice try, but it feels like you only made a Mukuro (Kenji) sprite wise. The character here doesn't even remotely feel like Mukuro anymore. This is like I'm playing as some random guy with a choppy MVC style dressed like Mukuro. Sorry, but this character fails in my book.
Well, I would continue this comparison...but last I heard you won't be back on for a week L-) . So I'll wait.....maybe not :P
havent tested your kenji, though im sure its good, but you are wrong about megaman and jin lol. whats the purpose of them being in the game if they just throw projectiles the whole time? I mean you can drive your car and get out and throw punches and kicks for no reason if u wanted to. doesnt make capcom wrong for making jin fight without his suit. i mean power rangers still fight without there suit right. megaman even fights in the 3d megaman games so why shouldnt he be able to fight in mvc? you gotta make ur point some other way cuz that didnt cut it lol.
No, my argument is not that Megaman and Jin's gameplay is wrong. My argument is saying that if a character doesn't play 100% the way they do from the original game before being ported to MvC, then they also "fail". Chimp Master says that my Kenji doesn't play like his original gameplay in Warzard, which is why he sucks. So, my argument is going based on his opinion, that characters that are not 100% accurate to their original gameplay also sucks. Saying this, then Capcom also "failed", for most of the characters on the Capcom side do not retain their original gameplay. Let's not even mention Captain Commando, for he's supposed to be able to walk into the foreground and background if you push up or down on the joystick. What was Capcom thinking when they designed him for a 3D?!?
Putting accuracy (and sarcasm) aside, all the characters' gameplay in MvC is great. The ideas behind Megaman and Jin's gameplay is very good & diverse. I tried to do the same with Kenji; maybe some areas are a miss, maybe some a hit. In the end, I had fun designing him for the EOH project and those that enjoy it then I am satisfied. I'm not getting paid for working on this project, just having fun and doing my best in what will help the EOH project be one of the best full games out there once it reaches 100%, which also includes coding for MvC-physics & interaction for all characters.
Thank you Sabaki.. you've come through once again!/:O...time do do a spyware scan on my computer....
Can't wait for Tabasa!
:)
Post by: Jelux Da Casual on June 25, 2008, 03:13:49 PM
Thank you Sabaki.. you've come through once again!
Can't wait for Tabasa!
:)
lolwut? How does he know that?
Post by: Sasuke-kun on June 25, 2008, 03:25:22 PM
S...h...i...t
I'm... lo...sing... my... sig...nal...
3... 2... 1... Gone... :DxDie :DxDie :DxDie
Post by: umarboy1991 on June 26, 2008, 04:37:46 AM
Post by: Sabaki on June 26, 2008, 07:41:23 AM
great that u are making Tabasa=D i love the way you and Kong make ur characters=D hehe just love them=D/:O... :-j
Post by: Zerok_116 on June 26, 2008, 09:44:40 AM
Post by: Zerok_116 on June 27, 2008, 08:20:58 PM
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n203/cray_16/WIPS/mugen313.jpg)(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n203/cray_16/WIPS/mugen70.jpg)
where can i get those life bars
Post by: Sasuke-kun on June 27, 2008, 09:36:25 PM
Post by: That Mugen Guy on June 27, 2008, 09:48:29 PM
They are part of a Screenpack but I don't remember the name of it. :-??
its part of the All Characters Battle Zero screen pack
Post by: motorhead69 on June 27, 2008, 10:47:31 PM
I love your update on kenji.
C.O.R.E is a real nice touch!
Do you have any other characters you are working on?
Thanks a lot! :o
Post by: pmc1416 on July 03, 2008, 05:39:00 AM
Post by: Gaijin on July 04, 2008, 04:33:16 PM
Post by: Sabaki on July 04, 2008, 04:43:28 PM
are u still open to ideas sabaki?If it's about the kunais, already changed to where all of them hit. Update's on the way, just tweaking some coding. As of now, I'd like to get back to working on some other WIPs, so nothing new's gonna be added.
Post by: Gaijin on July 04, 2008, 04:49:12 PM
Post by: Sabaki on July 04, 2008, 05:01:51 PM
oh ok. i should have came up with the idea sooner...well good luck on your other wips and cant wait for the next updateNext update's on the way, maybe in a few minutes if I can pull it off. The other WIPs will probably make you forget about this Kenji ;)
EDIT: make that in a few hours. I'm being kicked out from my home :'(
Post by: Gaijin on July 04, 2008, 05:11:28 PM
Post by: Sasuke-kun on July 04, 2008, 07:46:43 PM
Post by: Sabaki on July 05, 2008, 01:13:00 AM
How can you get kicked out of your own home? :o ???When your family's dragging you out of the house to celebrate 4th July ;)
Updated 1st post, which has both the opdated versions of Kenji and Jon Talbain. I think donaldb22 will like the new update for Jon Talbain :)
Post by: aPoCaLyPsE on July 05, 2008, 09:39:42 AM
When your family's dragging you out of the house to celebrate 4th July ;)
Updated 1st post, which has both the opdated versions of Kenji and Jon Talbain. I think donaldb22 will like the new update for Jon Talbain :)
:DxDie, Got scaried for ya for a moment. Downloading now. :thumbsup:
EDIT: Talbain's Link is throwing an error.. Kenji's is fine tho.
-"aPoC."
Post by: Sabaki on July 05, 2008, 09:58:36 AM
Post by: Gaijin on July 05, 2008, 06:17:54 PM
i will test him out today and provide some feedback. cant wait its like christmas is here lol.How can you get kicked out of your own home? :o ???When your family's dragging you out of the house to celebrate 4th July ;)
Updated 1st post, which has both the opdated versions of Kenji and Jon Talbain. I think donaldb22 will like the new update for Jon Talbain :)
Edit: im modifying my post to prevent double posting. ok i tested out both kenji and talbain. i honestly cant find a single bug in talbain and i love the fact that you added back the move in the air. as of right now talbain imo is completely complete in every way. i mean this is the only feedback i can give because its so perfect. kenji also. and i read in the readme that you said that kenji is a technical beast and that you might change that later on. one word of advice : DON'T lol. he is very technical but thats what makes him so unique. i love characters who have a huge learning curve because as you learn the moves you know what and when to use what attack. it reminds me of the first time i played with dan in the alpha days. he was hard then after practicing and many losses i got him down and i started winning. Kenji is imo perfect too. keep him as tecnical as he is and i also love the new kunai. they fit so well. you deserve 10 million thumbs up. the only thing i didnt get to check is the ai on both characters. ^^(PM)^
Post by: FerchogtX on July 31, 2008, 01:42:24 PM
For Talbain:
Now feels more like MvC, I mean, I feel like I can control him easily, as in MvC. Maybe some effects can be changed (or add a trans effect), but besides that, I liked him.
Kenji:
I'm not familiar with Red Aearth or whatever name gameplay, but I don't see anything wrong with him, maybe the way he chains combos, but personally I like it, now the aerial raves are performed a bit smoother. Maybe he plays different from the other game, but any other MvC char from other games does... like Morrigan, she plays NOTHING like in vsav, and feels defferent from that Morrigan (she doesn't feel like Morrigan from vsav... isn't it?)
I really liked both, for Talbain I give 3 stars and Kenji 5 (5 = max :P) but is just my opinion.
See ya!!! :D
Post by: Sabaki on July 31, 2008, 06:23:39 PM
Long time since I saw decent releases and fixes (like yours or Acey's)Wow...thanks. Glad Jon is easier to play with. Can't see where else he could use updating, but I have about a year before the final version of EOH is released, so who knows? As for Kenji, he was made to play VERY differently from Red Earth. you are right that some characters play very differently from their original games, and for a good reason: compatibility with other characters in a game where they use the same game mechanics (MVC). Red Earth gameplay couldn't be transfered to fit MvC gameplay successfully just the same way as Resident Evil characters (i.e Jill) had to be redone for MvC gameplay.
For Talbain:
Now feels more like MvC, I mean, I feel like I can control him easily, as in MvC. Maybe some effects can be changed (or add a trans effect), but besides that, I liked him.
Kenji:
I'm not familiar with Red Aearth or whatever name gameplay, but I don't see anything wrong with him, maybe the way he chains combos, but personally I like it, now the aerial raves are performed a bit smoother. Maybe he plays different from the other game, but any other MvC char from other games does... like Morrigan, she plays NOTHING like in vsav, and feels defferent from that Morrigan (she doesn't feel like Morrigan from vsav... isn't it?)
I really liked both, for Talbain I give 3 stars and Kenji 5 (5 = max :P) but is just my opinion.
See ya!!! :D
In the long run I did my best to transfer both characters MvC style, hoping they'd turn out in the same vision as Capcom would've done with the limited resources I had. They may not be perfect, but as long as mugen players enjoy them then that's good enough for me :)
Post by: -Poncho- on August 01, 2008, 12:06:20 AM
Kenji Portrait
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1580/kenjiportraitgh0.png)
Talbain Portrait
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3339/talbainportraitnu5.png)
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1580/kenjiportraitgh0.png)
Talbain Portrait
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3339/talbainportraitnu5.png)
Good Luck! =D>
Post by: TÐZ on August 01, 2008, 01:29:42 AM
Post by: Sabaki on August 01, 2008, 07:00:02 AM
Asome Update Thank`s the char`s move very fluid like de mvc one`s Congratulations ,Don`t bother but i do this portraits for your chars I Hope you like it.Kenji Portrait
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1580/kenjiportraitgh0.png)
Talbain Portrait
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3339/talbainportraitnu5.png)
Good Luck! =D>
Nice! I may use these myself. If so, you will be credited ;)
I found a bug with Kenji, after Kenji grabs an opponent, the opponent can't hit, only move around until Kenji hits them, then the opponent is back to normal.I've used his throws on many characters and never seen that? Which throw? Which character did you do the throw on?
Post by: TÐZ on August 01, 2008, 05:07:44 PM
The throw works on any char, works on human and cpu player
Post by: DizzyTheConquer on August 01, 2008, 09:51:02 PM
Asome Update Thank`s the char`s move very fluid like de mvc one`s Congratulations ,Don`t bother but i do this portraits for your chars I Hope you like it.I know I'm late but...Kenji Portrait
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1580/kenjiportraitgh0.png)
Talbain Portrait
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3339/talbainportraitnu5.png)
Good Luck! =D>
OMG THOSE PORTRAITS ARE AWESOME!! :o :o :o
Post by: Sabaki on August 02, 2008, 10:43:23 AM
http://www.mediafire.com/?nd0idcmwmdx (http://www.mediafire.com/?nd0idcmwmdx)
Post by: TÐZ on August 02, 2008, 10:49:24 PM
Post by: Gaijin on August 11, 2008, 07:36:25 PM
Post by: Sabaki on August 13, 2008, 10:18:27 AM
do you think that ultimate guard or ultimate counter whatever the name of it is lol, do you think that matbe you should make it so that it can counter physically hitting hypers?? kind of like how geese can counter all physical moves be it hypers, specials, or normal attacks. just a question
Hmm, it's a thought. other counters in MvC series couldn't counter hypers so I went the same route with UGC. It'll make it more useful, that's for sure. I'll sit on that for awhile....