Post by: verz36 on January 25, 2015, 11:43:58 AM
in this case lets take electro and i want to hear what you guys think.. for those that compared it to the old version, what do you think and why. is he a new character to you or is he an update, its the debate that i want to hear about..
somethings to consider here, are all ryus and kens updates from others because they share same sprites?
are the different supermans released by different people with different play styles just an update to the others?
same goes for many more, the dooms like the one by mr. infinite? is that an update because it has the same capcom sprites or a new character? there are so many other samples too
for those that dont know, electro was coded from scratch. all the specials are different, hypers are different, intros and win poses are different. the voice is different. even some of the basics are different. the fx are different. the sprites that were used from before were reworked a lot with shading and even custom has more things now.. so lets hear what makes a new character or an update to you.
Post by: messyt on January 25, 2015, 11:49:51 AM
-Brand new sprite work and new stance
-NEW AWESOME SAUCE VOICE WORK BY HYPERVOICEACTING
-New, original moves exclusive to the character
He's simply a new character!
The older version of Electro is pretty good but when comparing them, there's simply too much of a difference! That's just my opinion. :P
Post by: verz36 on January 25, 2015, 11:59:35 AM
I'll consider your latest incarnation of Electro as a brand new character. You could say that because of the following:
-Brand new sprite work and new stance
-NEW AWESOME SAUCE VOICE WORK BY HYPERVOICEACTING
-New, original moves exclusive to the character
He's simply a new character!
The older version of Electro is pretty good but when comparing them, there's simply too much of a difference! That's just my opinion. :P
cool and thanks for your answer.. im trying to show somebody that has doubts about electro as a new character and he is not so sure. so maybe this can help him see more clear.
Post by: Jmaxximus on January 25, 2015, 05:26:51 PM
I'll consider your latest incarnation of Electro as a brand new character. You could say that because of the following:
-Brand new sprite work and new stance
-NEW AWESOME SAUCE VOICE WORK BY HYPERVOICEACTING
-New, original moves exclusive to the character
He's simply a new character!
I agree. I consider an update that is something that was just worked on for an update. Like all they worked on was the coding or just the sprites (make them look better).
Electro is something totally different. Although some of the sprites are updated ALOT of the sprites are new. The game play of the character is totally new, he has new moves, new animations new sprites new voice work.
Everything is new to me on him. Alot of work went into him being totally different from his previous version. I personally have both of them in my roster. It's always good to see where something came from.
You guys did great work.
Electro update? NO not by a long shot.
I say New Electro
The older version of Electro is pretty good but when comparing them, there's simply too much of a difference! That's just my opinion. :P
Post by: manluis on January 25, 2015, 09:06:58 PM
this new electro is just too much to just be called an update, so i consider it a brand new character.
Post by: Twinimage on January 25, 2015, 09:54:58 PM
Separate creations from different people I see as a "new" character. Now, if they are all making Capcom Spider-man, I'd maybe call them "clones"??? lol Unless it's a substantial amount of change from the original Capcom Spidey, like zvitor's, which I see as it's own character, thus it was "new", not just "updated".
I don't really pay attention to the terms that often. A good creation is a good creation and is welcome either way. :)
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 26, 2015, 07:27:26 AM
Updated - Some new effects, some new sprites, some new codes, some new palettes or AI. Pay attention to the word "some".
New - New sff or almost everything new, codes done from scratch or almost everything, etc.
Take Electro as an example, its a NEW character, because its a new version.
Post by: Arkady on January 26, 2015, 04:52:39 PM
ive updated many characters and plenty of them are what we call "updates"
but to re-design a character completely, that's "new"
its hard to place everything in boxes to give an exact accounting of each effort put in, to say this is new or this is an update, most cases its pretty evident,
i don't really don't think it matters, but i'd say his is pretty new
the confusion might be coz its the same crew that worked electro prior,
but even so pyro by zvitor, is something i consider new and that's two different creators, then ive added some extra to it, which i consider an "update" due to the original character from zvitors work is still remanint
Post by: verz36 on January 26, 2015, 06:47:37 PM
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 26, 2015, 06:58:49 PM
Post by: Arkady on January 26, 2015, 07:11:03 PM
Post by: verz36 on January 26, 2015, 08:05:43 PM
Verz, don't take people from Mugen communities too serious. Its harmful for your health.
i understand bro, but its things like this that takes the fun away from making anything mugen related.
http://mugenmultiverse.fanbb.net/t1002p60-axhibit#61405 (http://mugenmultiverse.fanbb.net/t1002p60-axhibit#61405)
you cant reason with this things, kinda makes you want to hang the gloves and retire...
Post by: Arkady on January 26, 2015, 08:35:19 PM
It really burns me when there is disregards to the site rules, but they do it anyway, and it makes everyone look bad, it makes me wanna o.O#
like repeatedly....
you know a while back I did similar things, with portraits, and such, but now it just burns me when I see it, you can say I have grown smarter through my endeavours
Post by: verz36 on January 26, 2015, 08:43:42 PM
Post by: Arkady on January 26, 2015, 09:00:59 PM
most of the time, falls on deaf ears, people hurt whoever however, in their pursuit to either perfection or boldness, most of time its both, I clash with many a people in the mugen community, and really realised that its not "A" community, its individuals and stubbornness towards each other that drives us all apart, I find it best to stick to the work, and crack a hobo joke every once in while, mugen "drama" is for the weak
better to rise above the petty humans and become HOBO SUPERIOR!!!!!
(yes I just finished magnetos lines ....and no that's not one of them, but hobos rule)
Post by: manluis on January 26, 2015, 10:03:22 PM
Post by: Arkady on January 26, 2015, 10:08:22 PM
making fun edits from verz's work, obviously without permission
happens everywhere, maybe a bit more at MMV, but we are vigilant!!
and happen to have all the new guys that get driven away from all the MEANER sites
it happens we brush the floor, we carry on
Post by: manluis on January 26, 2015, 10:11:22 PM
Post by: Arkady on January 26, 2015, 10:38:03 PM
I really find that deterring, to hear these kinda posts about sites being a collective nuisance, but usually it's just one guy that ruins it for everybody
Post by: verz36 on January 26, 2015, 11:02:09 PM
ah i see. and they call us at MFG jerks huh? I swear if it's people like this that will make verz lose motivation and stuff, then i don't wanna be part of MMV. well, atleast there are people there that are still polite and respectful.
Thanks for the support!!!! I usually go to different sites and want to be cool with people. All I want is to make characters and share for the enjoyments not to edit my stuff but things like this are making me rethink if it's better to go private or just call it quits all together. It's really frustrating.
Post by: manluis on January 26, 2015, 11:05:55 PM
Post by: Chimoru on January 27, 2015, 06:17:10 AM
There is the cyclops base from capcom that's open source. Why not use that?
Maybe this is another topic, but I've always wondered...
Is that really open source? Says who? Capcom? Marvel? They're the owners of it. Did we just decide for ourselves that it was ok to do this? The original sprites had to have been made by someone. One of the "object designers" from Children of the Atom. An actual person with a name and a family who had to develop the skills to create them in the first place. We never credit them, but we always build of THEIR work and then call it ours, and then get mad when SOMEONE ELSE does the same thing. A bit of a double standard, I feel.
I've always believed that everything we do in MUGEN is a violation to the original game/comic companies SOMEhow, they just never come after us because it's all non-profit, and it works like free promotion to them. They could request these forums remove anything Capcom or Marvel related. (Kinda like what they did with the Freedom Force game mods http://www.freedomfans.com/KenMessage.html (http://www.freedomfans.com/KenMessage.html)) I'm not trying to argue with you personally or attack you...it's just a question I've always had and your comment made me think about it again. That's why I always consider my stuff open source....because it's not really MINE.
Besides, it's the internet. There will ALWAYS be someone who takes your stuff, edit it, claim it, etc and not credit you. I've had game mods and content that I've made and shared be taken by the actual GAME COMPANY and posted on the official page and I wasn't credited. In fact they credited someone else entirely. So if a person is a creator and that happens and they can't handle it, they have two choices. Get over it and keep doing what they love...or hang it up, which would be regrettable. It happens to all of us. This is the cruel reality of the internet. It's why things like trademarks exist.
For these reasons, I try to stay humble and thankful for the permissions we have and try not to become too entitled with them. Again, just my opinion.
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 06:29:49 AM
Maybe this is another topic, but I've always wondered...Capcom and SNK has already stated it is okay to use their material for fan-purposes AS LONG as we don't profit off it.
Is that really open source? Says who? Capcom? Marvel? They're the owners of it. Did we just decide for ourselves that it was ok to do this? The original sprites had to have been made by someone.
Post by: Chimoru on January 27, 2015, 06:52:59 AM
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 06:57:16 AM
Post by: Beto on January 27, 2015, 07:16:25 AM
Thanks for the support!!!! I usually go to different sites and want to be cool with people. All I want is to make characters and share for the enjoyments not to edit my stuff but things like this are making me rethink if it's better to go private or just call it quits all together. It's really frustrating.
I do not think you need and loganir, leave their private things, is very annoying WHAT happened, but there will always be someone to stop people like that, some people are taking seriously this motto, that everything on the internet is free, things may not end well without rules
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 27, 2015, 07:31:59 AM
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if you dont mind me asking, what happened exactly? by the time i got there to MMV, Volzilla deleted all the posts you were talking about.
If I got it right, they made some edits over Verz sprites, am I right? Well, this is a grey area...
ah i see. and they call us at MFG jerks huh? I swear if it's people like this that will make verz lose motivation and stuff, then i don't wanna be part of MMV. well, atleast there are people there that are still polite and respectful.
About MFG: I know some people will jump at my neck and I give a crap about it, but there IS a lot of jerks on that place, its a very well known fact. Sure, there are many good names there, but there is many jerks too. And some are approved and endorsed by the moderation/administration team. Some are very aggressive without a particular reason, too sarcastic (sarcams is cool, but when you use it too often, you have some mental issue), like monkeys shitting on their hands and throwing on people's faces when visiting the zoo and they are like "hahahaha *clap* *clap* you are so funny".
Sure, its way better than it was on the past.
About MMV: the problem of that forum is the same problem that IMT has on the past (well, I can see it here from time to time yet) - They need to sugar coat everything. You can't be serious when you give feedback because they got hurt and sensitive. Sure, I am not talking about beeing harsh like "OMFG THIS IS crap" because this isn't even an argument, its just children play...
I am talking about when you give a list of feedback and they doesn't likes it. I remember a day when I give a feedback with a list of things I like and I don't like (its the way I like to give feedback, its easier to the authors to fix this way) and the author got sensitive and said that I was "humiliating him by showing all those points".
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Is that really open source? Says who? Capcom? Marvel? They're the owners of it. Did we just decide for ourselves that it was ok to do this? The original sprites had to have been made by someone. One of the "object designers" from Children of the Atom. An actual person with a name and a family who had to develop the skills to create them in the first place. We never credit them, but we always build of THEIR work and then call it ours, and then get mad when SOMEONE ELSE does the same thing. A bit of a double standard, I feel.
You have a point here, but let me explain. The sprites are copyrighted to Capcom, and not Marvel. Marvel owns the characters, but the graphics were made by Capcom. The object designer should be credited, but he doesn't owns anything. He was paid to do that job. I am art Direction and I don't own the works I did, I have intellectual propriety of them, what is a different thing.
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 07:49:39 AM
Ah yes i know there are jerks in MFG, trust me I know, but I just hate how other forums say that EVERYONE is a jerk there and it gives the forum as WHOLE a bad rep. If we are talking about individual people, then yeah I would say there are a lot of jerks there who can cross the line at times. But again, I hate it when people target a forum as a whole. It just feels deppressing because I know there are good people in every forum. There will be bad people, there will be good, its just natural like that. But if people deliberately prevent people from going to another forum just because they see that forum as whole a bad way, then thats what I don't like. I hate it when people badmouth MFG,MMV,MFG and every other forum as a WHOLE.
And yes you are right about sugarcoating it in MMV. I get that people can be mean, but sometimes people are just trying to be honest with you and sometimes it just sounds mean, but it's the truth. We say these things and point out flaws, not to be mean, but to make you how much better you can always do to the fullest extent. We say the truth because we trust that you can do a lot better than what you release at the time, because there is ALWAYS room for improvement. No one creation is ever perfect, and it's only up to you to listen to feedback and improve it. If we thought you don't have any talent, we wouldn't have given any feedback. There are no shortcuts in creating, yet people always try to take it but just releasing a rushed character and expecting it only to be praised. It's deppressing.
Post by: verz36 on January 27, 2015, 08:03:04 AM
but look at this for now...
http://elecbyte.com/forum/index.php?topic=4799.0 (http://elecbyte.com/forum/index.php?topic=4799.0)
Post by: ParanormalParanoia on January 27, 2015, 08:09:22 AM
well for those that are wondering what went on let me show you a bit first.. after i digest this ill get back and write a full story about how things got to this and maybe most can understand here.. but let me clear something. im a guy that i think we should support the websites. thats what i do.. i try to post at the different ones. but after this incident im not going to promote my work there anymore and if things like this keep happening, then i can see this getting worst..
but look at this for now...
http://elecbyte.com/forum/index.php?topic=4799.0 (http://elecbyte.com/forum/index.php?topic=4799.0)
lol seriously....
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 27, 2015, 08:18:01 AM
@verz: I saw it. AxKeeper is using your Cyclops to make a Green Ranger. Can I give you a tip? Ironically, Elecbyte's forum is the WORST mugen community ever. I remember when they come back there was a rush to "reserve seats", from people wanting to say what should and what should not be done. I was eager to contribute until I say those things, so I decided to keep it to me.
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 08:22:06 AM
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 27, 2015, 08:33:57 AM
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Green Ranger
(http://i.imgur.com/5QBRgcE.png)
What do you think?
Also I am using Cyclops by Loganir and Verz as the base if anyone is wondering?!
And
for those of you who have no idea who this is;
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers - Go Green Ranger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI2G-5tWe-4#)
I've decided to do this wip, I have everything ready to go and am currently working on the walk. I'll have it posted today!
(http://i.imgur.com/Pp3VMNw.png)
More progress. Moving onto gethits and falling down stuff. After that I'll start attacks!
(http://i.imgur.com/DMr8UgF.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/dnU6jR2.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/kbnVG0P.gif)
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 08:50:09 AM
did he get permission? one thing that irks me about ax is how he always uses the excuse "MUGEN is free! Everything in MUGEN should be shared!" while its true MUGEN itself is open source, the sprites and custom, original stuff that are made for it isn't unless stated so. it doesn't mean you can use sprites without permission. it's just wrong as a person. you can do it if you want, but people will look down on you if you do.
Post by: verz36 on January 27, 2015, 09:40:39 AM
sprite itself looks fine, animation? not so much.
did he get permission? one thing that irks me about ax is how he always uses the excuse "MUGEN is free! Everything in MUGEN should be shared!" while its true MUGEN itself is open source, the sprites and custom, original stuff that are made for it isn't unless stated so. it doesn't mean you can use sprites without permission. it's just wrong as a person. you can do it if you want, but people will look down on you if you do.
No he did not get permission and he knows my work it's not open source. I don't have anything against this guy so I don't see what he would want to piss me off with that. It's all about getting along with your fellow mugen creators. Actions like this is what's killing mugen. We need to stop this things and try to encourage new guys to create and be original. That's what I learned when I started this hobby and I tend to keep it that way till I retired which looks like to be soon with what I see now.
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 09:48:49 AM
Post by: verz36 on January 27, 2015, 09:57:44 AM
i can see how you are pissed about it. I would be too. but verz, remember, we can talk to ax about calmly, with respect. we don't have the right to get mad right away, unless he acts up again, so let's keep this clean and nice. i'l contact ax about the sprite situation soon. and verz, please don't let this ruin your career. it's only one problem and it can be fixed right away if we work with cooperation okay? we all would hate it if you left. you always have people supporting you, like me!
I appreciate your support, thanks. I never had any problems with this guy at all so I don't get why he is doing this. I respect others works why can't it be the same towards mines. He knows my work it's not open source. Not cool at all and I hope this stops because then others will take whatever he edits and do the same since his dig say that all he does it's open sourcle.
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 10:15:30 AM
like i always say "if there is no chaos, there will be no peace, as chaos is neccessary to creat peace."
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on January 27, 2015, 10:19:12 AM
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 10:22:11 AM
That's a problem a lot of people in the community have: they think curtosy is stupid.people just have different views on curtosy.
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 10:34:57 AM
Post by: verz36 on January 27, 2015, 11:09:59 AM
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 11:15:23 AM
Post by: Arkady on January 27, 2015, 11:47:47 AM
I'm pretty reasonable when it comes to folks using any content ive made to further another wip, as long as its a good effort in completely revamping it into a new character, but that's me, I'm not saying i believe everything should be open source, i firmly believe that certain works, should stay untouched, not only for respects sake, but especially in the case where a creator had given a unique amount of effort to creating a character, and wishes that to remain as closed source, trouble is who polices those who don't follow these "rules"
admins and moderators can only ask that the creators respect the rules, of each respective site, yet time and time again they are blasted for letting a wip reveal such as this go in the public eye, we aren't the mugen police, but most of us respect the open/closed source ideal, if i see things like this i try to make efforts to notify the parties involved and rectify it, but I'm not looking at every thread here or on other sites to be able to help in every situation
i feel that verz should not be swayed by this event, it would be tragic to communities, if he or others who ask that their work is not open source pack up and leave because of a few people that don't respect the content that has been made for the general mugen public
Post by: verz36 on January 27, 2015, 11:58:16 AM
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 12:03:09 PM
Post by: Arkady on January 27, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
its a cycle, and without mmv, it would be here or at other sites moreso
i see no difference, where it happens, we told ax not to do it, it got modded, he just went elsewhere to that electbyte forum, you cannot judge a forum based on a few bad posters, who don't want to change to anyone elses thinking, or simply throw blame at a site for public posting
Post by: verz36 on January 27, 2015, 01:46:31 PM
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 01:47:36 PM
This stuff happens at every site, it just seems to portray moreso at mmv, coz of more new creators seem to venture there, ive spoken to many creators,over similar situations, then new guys keep on appearing once againthis. i just hate how it discourages fantastic creators and makes them lose motivation like verz.
its a cycle, and without mmv, it would be here or at other sites moreso
i see no difference, where it happens, we told ax not to do it, it got modded, he just went elsewhere to that electbyte forum, you cannot judge a forum based on a few bad posters, who don't want to change to anyone elses thinking, or simply throw blame at a site for public posting
Post by: verz36 on January 27, 2015, 01:54:37 PM
Post by: Arkady on January 27, 2015, 03:03:46 PM
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 03:09:44 PM
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on January 27, 2015, 03:51:19 PM
rise above the petty humans and become HOBO SUPERIOR!!!!!Exactly!!!! >:D
(hobos rule)
Ok i am on topic. Lol.
1. Verz...that electro is a new character/version... Even a hobo can see that it is. Point blank and awesome job you and loganir done.
2. Sprite theft....i hate it! Asking permission to use someones hard work they done is easy to do, if they say no then respect their wishes! If you wanna sprite something....craptons of opensource sprite rips to franken or whatever to create what ya want. Thats what spriters do.....sprite it, hand drawn conversion sprite it, edit existing rips bases and if permission granted....use base to edit. Artistry respect should be a key factor and respect the artist wishes. Period.
3. Site propaganda. .....everywhere has it weirdos, naysayers and the like. Some seem to have an abundance more than others. I go wherever i feel like going and i have friends everywhere i go. Hobo rule is to travel but i tend to favor certain spots more than others and engage with the community of the site more actively. Here is home....to me but i got apartments all over. Ok i sleep in there back yards next to trash cans. Lol. Mfg has its eyesores and share of trolls like other spots do.Maybe tho more than others but still. Go where you feel the most comfy and where you find the best help, friends and likewise shared thoughts and even healthy debates without throwing tons of shade on your works and your being. That is a given.
4. Mugen is free, creating your version of a company character used in free mugen is free ( unless company says no then...no) community wise we shoukd respect each other as artists and respect those who allow us to use their original stuff. and No everything on the net is not free....thats why they created paypal . :P
5. My post was long and i am supposed to be on a long hiatus to work on my own stuff which is a lot of hand drawn work, oixel graphical works, cel shading lessons, codin lessons for mugen and other engines. But i seen this and i couldnt help but jump in and say somethin. VERZ...my bro and cool homie. ..dont let jerks sway you from doing what you love to do but do what you want in your decision because you chose it and not those folks pushin you there. In the end its still your choice. You shine bright as sun bro all the time, keep shining brighter! ::salute::
Ok o ilu bro you keep makjn good zinger lines i am gonna be rich using them for my new stand up comedy act! Monkeys throwin shyt in faces at the zoo and people lovin it..... #USINGIT! XD|| lol
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 27, 2015, 05:42:48 PM
I got a report from Volzilla complaining about this topic, kinda like I knew he would do:
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not reporting this poster or reply. more the tone of what he showed is being implied by another. and in the past you all had a rule about bringing other forum drama to your place. the bulk of this topic is that and has no bearing on the original post
While I like him (he is a good person), Volzilla has the habit to get sensitive with things very easily and report anything that he doesn't likes, even if what he is reporting is not right. He did this tons of times, If I remember well, at MFG, complaining - most of times - about how people handle MMV creations there. Guild is known for being too harsh sometimes, but MMV is very well known for having some...quality questionable content. If you guys keep doing it, will just fuel this more and more.
We had a rule of not bringing drama from other foruns to here, but this is not the case. So the topic will still stay here. And I really hope that Arch won't buy this thing - I am deadly serious about this. Volzilla can do whatever he wants to at his turf, but not here.
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I don't think you realise how Ax works, there is no speaking to him about "not using others works" he firmly believes that EVERYTHING is open source, some people can't and won't change their minds
Many people don't realize how Ax work. Ax is a just a Freaking Fanatic who said that would "I'm gonna sell everything I own, including my computer/Laptop and I may also be leaving my family"
http://mugenmultiverse.fanbb.net/t3614-ax-is-quitting-for-yhwh (http://mugenmultiverse.fanbb.net/t3614-ax-is-quitting-for-yhwh)
Then, suddenly and as I said he would do, he had returned out of nowhere of his "spiritual jorney" and returned to Mugen. He is just a big attention whore, sorry to be rude. I am atheist and I respect the other people faith, but those fanatics really freaks me out. And we had a recent example of what a fanatic can do...
If at least Ax would turn your Cyclops into something good...but no, as all of his creations, it would be pretty bad. And people keeps babysiting him...
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you cannot judge a forum based on a few bad posters, who don't want to change to anyone elses thinking, or simply throw blame at a site for public postingSaddly, you can. The "Whole" is judged by "parts".
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the best way to deal with ax? dont. dont bother with him at all. if he wont change, you cant force him. the best way is to just not give any attention to him, think about him or see his sprites.This is half true. That depends of the forum rules. If the forum rules prohibits it, the user should be warned, muted or banned, depends of the situation.
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Administrators should do more about this things and this is not the first time this happens but for some reason it keeps happening at multiverse.Its Administrators fault. Sorry to be honest.
@Verz: saddly, this is how mugen works for today. An how the internet works. Once you release something publically, you have no control over it anymore. I don't think its right, but its true. Mugen would lose way more if loses Verz than loses Ax, and it would be a shame.
But, at the end, You would be penalizing not the thief, but yourself. because you would stop working with something you like.
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Monkeys throwin shyt in faces at the zoo and people lovin it....hahahahahahahahahaha
Post by: verz36 on January 27, 2015, 07:14:11 PM
and ilu thanks your your points man.. im not trying to penalize anybody for this..but i feel like have to speak up when something bothers me.. its like i said before, i try to get along with everybody.. i try to do whats right all the time i can because thats what i been shown and the way i was raised. we all should be trying to be more united with this hobby but i see this last years have been tuff and more and more you see this actions. but again i hate to say this, but if you dont want to considered part of something, dont associate yourself with that.. thats why i try to mind my business and dont get involved with people that like to do this things..
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 08:33:08 PM
ok, let me talk about something which had really, really had pissed me off.
I got a report from Volzilla complaining about this topic, kinda like I knew he would do:
While I like him (he is a good person), Volzilla has the habit to get sensitive with things very easily and report anything that he doesn't likes, even if what he is reporting is not right. He did this tons of times, If I remember well, at MFG, complaining - most of times - about how people handle MMV creations there. Guild is known for being too harsh sometimes, but MMV is very well known for having some...quality questionable content. If you guys keep doing it, will just fuel this more and more.
We had a rule of not bringing drama from other foruns to here, but this is not the case. So the topic will still stay here. And I really hope that Arch won't buy this thing - I am deadly serious about this. Volzilla can do whatever he wants to at his turf, but not here.
yeah same thing with me. pm's and stuff. he's not bad or anything no, but he pm'ed me alot, so that's how out of hand this his gotten. volzilla is seriously convinced you haz a agenda against da mmv yo.
@verz, i know you don't hate mmv or anything or wanna penalize it, which is why i let you speak all of your opinions about this whole topic and get your steam off. now should be a good time to let you know verz, you just CAN'T get along with everyone. it's life. it's how mugen is nowadays. that's why we ignore all the crap and keep on pushing forward. just let it go this time verz. i personally have nothing against ax, but nothing he does ever ends up being good for all. don't mind it anymore verz, just ignore it and keep pushing forward. look at O, he knows MUGEN isn't a united, nice place for all, yet he's stayed in MUGEN for 15 damn years. Because he knows that MUGEN will continue to grow, but only if its users will grow along with it and ignore all the crap, and just, move on.
Post by: verz36 on January 27, 2015, 09:24:07 PM
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 09:38:58 PM
@z0x dont start this bulls***
(http://i.imgur.com/bnaiwSX.png)
you may have deleted BOTH of your stupid posts but i know what you said. why do you have to be like this. first MFG now this? cmon man.
Post by: verz36 on January 27, 2015, 09:45:28 PM
Post by: manluis on January 27, 2015, 09:47:52 PM
Post by: Superjoker on January 27, 2015, 11:21:40 PM
@Verz: I'm sorry mate but drama has followed you from the start, why? because you are that damn good amigo! you set the bar and what happens to the best? the rest imitate and follow them, honestly dude don't take it to heart you will NEVER lose credit over your work its yours and forever, do you see yourself as a 45 year old checking forums for juniors using your work???
I respect your exile, however now all the Dragons and all the Unlimited are gone...
Who would've one little game could cause so much emotion...
Post by: manluis on January 28, 2015, 12:10:11 AM
Post by: Arkady on January 28, 2015, 01:58:41 AM
you should take this to actually motivate you even more instead, push yourself to do even better work, so that everybody will know its YOUR work no matter who uses it.
^^(PM)^ this is good advice, right here
i hope you don't think anyone like me or anyone else at mmv or anywhere
thinks ill of you, just coz of where our log ins are
i know of a lot of creators here and there, that look up to you, and other mugen legends, we've all run into some drama too, its important to punch though it, and persist by survival through our work, don't let naysayers, and rip offs turn you into a villain, or persuade you to turn away
keep on keeping on
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 28, 2015, 06:34:54 AM
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volzilla is seriously convinced you haz a agenda against da mmv yo.Me or Verz? In my case, it will be a waste of energy.
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dont mind that guy bro, he has a bipolar disorder..
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I do not tolerate telling someone to kill themeselves, that is just ban-worthy to me.No, if he can't live in community with others because he has some disorder, he should stay at home. That was post is not acceptable. I've gave him a warn and brought this issue to the admin area, so we can talk about it.
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look at O, he knows MUGEN isn't a united, nice place for all, yet he's stayed in MUGEN for 15 damn years. Because he knows that MUGEN will continue to grow, but only if its users will grow along with it and ignore all the crap, and just, move on.I am just still here thanks to the same thing I said to Verz: If you quit from Mugen (or make your works private) thanks to other people, you would not be penalizing anyone but yourself.
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@O'ilu: Wise words man, you are like the Hulk Hogan of MUGEN... one of the last surviving legends (hope you are not bald)hahaah thanks but I am bald :)
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on January 28, 2015, 02:16:41 PM
This rumor has been circulating in the hobo community for qite some time.....O ilu confirms! Now i just need to sit by his trashcans a lil longer and catch a pic and its real proof...no more unicorn! lol
hahaah thanks but I am bald :)
Yeah Verz bro you got a lot of support bruh. Stick to your guns and pay the idiots no mind. Yeah they can get under ya collar sometimes but in the end, your on top of your game and we luvs ya bro for who your are and how awesome you are as a person and a creator. :thumbsup:
Hobonomics sun! XD||
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 28, 2015, 02:26:22 PM
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This rumor has been circulating in the hobo community for qite some time.....O ilu confirms! Now i just need to sit by his trashcans a lil longer and catch a pic and its real proof...no more unicorn!hahaahaha. Thinks like Kratos - bald with a long goatee, like bigger than my own hand :)
Post by: Arkady on January 28, 2015, 04:30:07 PM
:o HOBO WHAT!!!
Uncle O for GOD (of war that is)
all hail ^:)^ to the destruction to the army of balllickers
Post by: O Ilusionista on January 28, 2015, 05:57:32 PM
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Uncle O for GODSince I don't believe in gods, if I were promoted to a god I...would disappear? lol
Post by: verz36 on January 28, 2015, 06:26:42 PM
to answer a few questions and get some things straight, ill be more open about some things.. lets see if we can agree and understand somethings here..
ok, about volz and multiverse. i dont really have an agenda or hate any of them there. i didnt want to write this things but i think in a way its better to let the community see some things so that there wont be any misunderstanding. i decided to post my work there to support that website, the same thing i did at others.. i think as a creator in this hobby we should support the different websites and help keep them active. this helps us grow as a community. but i do see a lot of wrong things that i have not said anything about. their so called rules, i dont go with that and ill explain why. first lets get something clear here, nobody in this hobby is a president or judge to make rules that everybody should follow. so what i mean is this, the mugen guild made some rules about use of sprites but that dont mean we have to follow that. it dont mean other sites have to follow that. i look at the guild like a place where a lot of artist are more into other types or characters. here at imt, crusadercast and multiverse to name a few, people are more into comic characters you know, marvel, dc.. in the comicbook mugen community we as a whole kinda know each one and we keep it cool between us and we respect others work and we got that if you want to call it, rule that we dont take the work from other fellow spriters. so volz say that they follow the guild rules so people that go there are free to do what they want. so what happens, this guys think this is ok with other people and forums. so when they start going to other forums that do respect , people call them out and then a big drama start. i think us the guys that been in this hobby for a while, we should show the new guys the right direction. its what i try to do because i feel this is the right thing to do and it helps keep people away from drama. all the guys that dedicate their free time and create characters know the work it takes and most like for others to respect their wishes and why not if we like their work.. this so called rules are the perfect excuse for those that want to take shortcuts but this brings drama. there are creators that are open source but there are others that are not, simple. and those of us that are not, if we see others using our work, we are going to speak up and try to reason, we will try to go to the admins and seek help with the issue. think about it, the more we support our fellow spriters and creators, the more we going to grown and the better it will be which will mean more creations. but if we dont respect it will kill the mood and drive us to retirement.
Post by: Arkady on January 28, 2015, 06:27:21 PM
Post by: Tha Lando ( Le CROM ) on January 28, 2015, 06:42:38 PM
And speaking of o ilu and kratos...... your banner for Mugen Prez sir!
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Post by: O Ilusionista on January 28, 2015, 06:45:13 PM
Post by: manluis on January 28, 2015, 10:05:29 PM
i mean, i'm creating sprites from scratch, no base, no frankenspriting or anything and im using only a damn laptop trackpad. now you COULD steal my sprites and use them however you want, i dont have the power to stop that from happening, HOWEVER, people will not approve from what you are doing and will look down upon you. you will lose alot of respect and credibillity in the process, because if you can't even be a decent human being and give respect to all the time we use in life by creating all the frames, why should we give you respect? why should we ever trust you and ever pay attention to what you are doing? why should we care about your creations if you steal from ours? its all up to you to make the choice, to respect and keep respect? or disregard respect and lose respect for yourself.
Post by: esn23 on January 29, 2015, 11:49:01 AM
Post by: supa2520 on January 30, 2015, 06:40:31 PM
I mean he would have use mvc Cyclops maybe but using a cyclops from 2 great legends that put there blood sweat & tears in it thats plain wrong,verz u are one of the coolest creators I ever known same with loganir dont let anything stop u from doing wat u love best.
and dont throw ur rep away for b.s. b/c it so not worth it :)