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Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« on: May 31, 2012, 04:35:14 PM »
Is this topic good in this section? It's not exactly about RMM...

Okay, everyone. All you Megaman fans should know about the non-canon Robot Masters in the series. Like the robots from the PC Megaman games, Rockman Strategy, Super Adventure Rockman, and Rockman and Forte: Challenger From The Future.

Now, what if they were in Robot Master Mayhem? As playable characters, or perhaps in intros and stages. I noticed Shadowman's Level 3 has Komusoman in it, so maybe they can be featured in other hypers.

What do you all think? Playable characters, in hypers and intros, in stages, or not at all? I wanna hear your opinion!!  \-/o



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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2012, 05:02:43 PM »
If someone sprites a full character from one of those games they could appear in a later version of Rmm after the inital release.  If a character isn't playable and works well in a intro, winpose, or hyper with another character I'm fine with it.   ;D
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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2012, 05:53:57 PM »
OOOH! Cool! I did a bit of research this weekend, and I thought it would be cool. Imagine the PC Robot Masters? They look terrible in the PC games, but they might look amazing if they were in RMM!

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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2012, 11:15:29 AM »
I've actually had a recent idea of making Compassman as a mugen character, and maaayyybe making him suited to RMM. (I've actually thought of a few powersets that he could have)

Problem is, that's only if I can even start to get round to making even a few sprites for him. If I ever do however, then maybe I could try.

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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 10:19:06 AM »
I was thinking more about this, we need to stick to what games are capcom licensed.  For instance I actually own the two old PC Megaman games and those are not real capcom games unfortunately so we need to say away from those.  Those two pc games were so bad now that I'm thinking about them.
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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2012, 10:46:12 AM »
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I was thinking more about this, we need to stick to what games are capcom licensed.  For instance I actually own the two old PC Megaman games and those are not real capcom games unfortunately so we need to say away from those.  Those two pc games were so bad now that I'm thinking about them.

According to wikipedia they were offically licensed, but capcom wouldnt give input or even talk to them about the games.
And in the second pc game "Mega Man III" it looks like they just reused sprites form other games for the face ports of their robot masters atleast.
I havnt been able to find much about it online.
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Only the ones from the first of the pc mega man games seem to have some orignality atleast.
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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2012, 10:49:57 AM »
Oh, and since we are already at it: Does any of the fan-made Robot Masters have got a chance to appear in this game? They don't even need to be full characters, they just can appear in hypers, intros, outros or stages...
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According to wikipedia they were offically licensed, but capcom wouldnt give input or even talk to them about the games.
And in the second pc game "Mega Man III" it looks like they just reused sprites form other games for the face ports of their robot masters.
At least the ones from the first of the pc mega man games seem to have some orignality.
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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2012, 11:08:28 AM »
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Oh, and since we are already at it: Does any of the fan-made Robot Masters have got a chance to appear in this game? They don't even need to be full characters, they just can appear in hypers, intros, outros or stages...
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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2012, 11:16:50 AM »
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Oh, and since we are already at it: Does any of the fan-made Robot Masters have got a chance to appear in this game? They don't even need to be full characters, they just can appear in hypers, intros, outros or stages...
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Nope, just Capcom robot masters.

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According to wikipedia they were offically licensed, but capcom wouldnt give input or even talk to them about the games.
And in the second pc game "Mega Man III" it looks like they just reused sprites form other games for the face ports of their robot masters atleast.
I havnt been able to find much about it online.
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Only the ones from the first of the pc mega man games seem to have some orignality atleast.

The Pc Megaman was kinda orginal but not really.  They just used sprites from the nes Megaman 1 - 3 and then changed them.  I remember Airman was used and changed up.  I know I have a copy of the 2 pc games somewhere, let me look around, it should be somewhere on this computer.
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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2012, 12:05:19 PM »
I'm all about this, here check out this ancient picture of my own personal Robot Master: Pizza Man


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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2012, 12:31:58 PM »
If there was someone from non-capcom game I wish it was Rokko-chan :-[ .  But if allowing her will be same as allowing stuff like Pizza Man above to appear I'd prefer to not have anything non-capcom. Though I don't know why even bother with searching some ultra-rare-mega-custom-robot-masters while there's mm1-10+mm&b+willy wars additional ones+gb ones and yet no Magic Man, or Terra, or Nitro Man, or my fav fire master - Burner Man for example... :-?? There're so many to choose from and they are so cool... I don't know why that custom non-canon, non-capcom stuff needed at all.
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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2012, 12:35:46 PM »
 8=| its been stated NO NON CANNON OR CRAPCOM works. no debating. the project been this way for years.

The question originally stated was about the PC. Those are cheap and reused masters. there non cannon too. MM and bass two was rejected in the pass so this should receive the same treatment. in my opinion.
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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2012, 07:37:16 PM »
Let me clear everything up right now!!
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Clearly, not everyone wants to see the non-canon bosses. Much talk is about the PC games (which were terrible) and about the second Megaman and Bass game. Now, I know Capcom licensed those games to alternate companies and hence shouldn't have exclusive rights to the characters. But seeing Komusoman in Shadowman's hyper got me thinking. On top of that, Capcom Fighting All-Stars has a stage from Challenger From The Future: Night at Symphony City.
Come on, people! Give these games some love, even if they are humiliated in intros or something. Let the Masters be represented in some way. Though they aren't Capcom's, to some extent they are. It can be really cool. With the amount of Masters from the classic series, plus the ones already in RMM, there's bound to be more than a hundred characters as long as Laspacho is willing to have them. This is Mugen, everyone! Don't hold back, just go crazy!! :) \-/o :thumbsup: >o:-( :w00t: ::salute::

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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2012, 07:03:08 AM »
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Let me clear everything up right now!!
.....Ahem.
Clearly, not everyone wants to see the non-canon bosses. Much talk is about the PC games (which were terrible) and about the second Megaman and Bass game. Now, I know Capcom licensed those games to alternate companies and hence shouldn't have exclusive rights to the characters. But seeing Komusoman in Shadowman's hyper got me thinking. On top of that, Capcom Fighting All-Stars has a stage from Challenger From The Future: Night at Symphony City.
Come on, people! Give these games some love, even if they are humiliated in intros or something. Let the Masters be represented in some way. Though they aren't Capcom's, to some extent they are. It can be really cool. With the amount of Masters from the classic series, plus the ones already in RMM, there's bound to be more than a hundred characters as long as Laspacho is willing to have them. This is Mugen, everyone! Don't hold back, just go crazy!! :) \-/o :thumbsup: >o:-( :w00t: ::salute::
I support this. Not so much for the DOS RMs, cause yeah, they were pretty damn terrible, but the RM&F2 RMs did have quite a bit of originality and extra excitement going for them, especially compared to the DOS RMs. Sure they are really obscure, had limited battle AI and didn't have colour (probably all down to Wonderswan limitations), but in my eyes, they are underappreciated and should get at least some attention. Maybe not as a full character for RMM, but at least some sort of hyper assistant (like tornadoman as airman's hyper, if we allow any more) or there in a  stage background (Or we could even have one stage based on those robot masters in symphony city).
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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
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I support this. Not so much for the DOS RMs, cause yeah, they were pretty damn terrible, but the RM&F2 RMs did have quite a bit of originality and extra excitement going for them, especially compared to the DOS RMs. Sure they are really obscure, had limited battle AI and didn't have colour (probably all down to Wonderswan limitations), but in my eyes, they are underappreciated and should get at least some attention. Maybe not as a full character for RMM, but at least some sort of hyper assistant (like tornadoman as airman's hyper, if we allow any more) or there in a  stage background (Or we could even have one stage based on those robot masters in symphony city).
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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2012, 07:48:21 AM »
The DOS games aren't terrible. They are BEYOND terrible! They shouldn't ever be mentioned again in any form!

Now, if you talk about other games like RM&F2, SAR, Rockman Strategy, which Capcom at least had a hand on them, I don't see a problem.
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Now, if you talk about other games like RM&F2, SAR, Rockman Strategy, which Capcom at least had a hand on them, I don't see a problem.
Does it also counts for Megaman chars, that only appeared in the Archie Comics?

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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2012, 03:52:28 PM »
You guys are the best Megaman fans a guy could ask for!!!  ::salute::
About Archie... um...
No.
That's the reason why I stopped reading the comics. Like Sonic, they're introducing characters that don't exist.

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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2012, 07:21:04 PM »
I just found my copies of Megaman PC and Megaman 3 PC...  Wish I didn't...  lol   >:D
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2012, 07:52:10 AM »
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Does it also counts for Megaman chars, that only appeared in the Archie Comics?

They weren't made by Capcom, so no.
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You guys are the best Megaman fans a guy could ask for!!!  ::salute::
About Archie... um...
No.
That's the reason why I stopped reading the comics. Like Sonic, they're introducing characters that don't exist.
Why do you have got something against video game comics, that introduce chars, that don't exist in the original game?
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They weren't made by Capcom, so no.
As far, as I remember, the MegaMan comics were licensed by Capcom, so doesn't it technically make them automatically Capcom chars as well? At least, saying, that the comic-only chars from Archie's MegaMan comics are Capcom chars, is just about right like saying, that the RobotMasters from MM&B2 or even the DOS RobotMaster (*cough*crapdesign*cough*) are Capcom chars...

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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2012, 05:06:26 PM »
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I just found my copies of Megaman PC and Megaman 3 PC...  Wish I didn't...  lol   >:D

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Why do you have got something against video game comics, that introduce chars, that don't exist in the original game?As far, as I remember, the MegaMan comics were licensed by Capcom, so doesn't it technically make them automatically Capcom chars as well? At least, saying, that the comic-only chars from Archie's MegaMan comics are Capcom chars, is just about right like saying, that the RobotMasters from MM&B2 or even the DOS RobotMaster (*cough*crapdesign*cough*) are Capcom chars...

I don't have anything against them, I just prefer the classic characters that Capcom made. And technically, the MM&B2 characters are Capcom's as they worked with Bandai to make it. The PC characters were not made by Capcom as the games weren't.

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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2012, 06:47:37 AM »
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I don't have anything against them, I just prefer the classic characters that Capcom made. And technically, the MM&B2 characters are Capcom's as they worked with Bandai to make it. The PC characters were not made by Capcom as the games weren't.
And how about RockMan Strategy?
If the robots from RockMan Strategy count as Capcom chars, then I seriously don't know why the MegaMan chars from the Archie comics doesn't, since RockMan Strategy is as much Capcom like the DOS MegaMen...

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And how about RockMan Strategy?
If the robots from RockMan Strategy count as Capcom chars, then I seriously don't know why the MegaMan chars from the Archie comics doesn't, since RockMan Strategy is as much Capcom like the DOS MegaMen...
As cool as the Constellation Droids look, you're right. They don't count either.  \-/o Darn, it would have been cool to see them.

Well, the way I see it, the only games eligible are MM&B2 and SAR, but that could work.

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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2012, 01:33:21 PM »
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As cool as the Constellation Droids look, you're right. They don't count either.  \-/o Darn, it would have been cool to see them.

Well, the way I see it, the only games eligible are MM&B2 and SAR, but that could work.
Whats wrong with the main story games? really all this talk about this is ridiculous. MM&B2 was knocked a few years back cause its no cannon. which was stated above.  There are so many character so why default to broken or non cannon games?

I wish someone would lock this thread. This topic happened few years back and its LONG PAST ITS WELCOME. The rules are set for the project. Just like the standard rule of imt. if you want to be apart of this then then follow other wise peace.

if you want to do the characters  of those games then DO IT! You can always put them in your own game. All characters and screen pack will receive separate releases anyways.

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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2012, 04:46:56 PM »
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Whats wrong with the main story games? really all this talk about this is ridiculous. MM&B2 was knocked a few years back cause its no cannon. which was stated above.  There are so many character so why default to broken or non cannon games?

I wish someone would lock this thread. This topic happened few years back and its LONG PAST ITS WELCOME. The rules are set for the project. Just like the standard rule of imt. if you want to be apart of this then then follow other wise peace.

if you want to do the characters  of those games then DO IT! You can always put them in your own game. All characters and screen pack will receive separate releases anyways.

If I would have known that, I wouldn't have started this. And it's really not that big of a deal.
There is nothing wrong with the main-story games at all. This topic is not ridiculous at all. It's not as if anyone is arguing over who's gonna be in the game. And I'm not gonna be apart from this at all. I didn't think you'd react like this, Rage; I figured you'd be a little more cool about it.
If this topic is gonna be locked, let it be locked. I personally find the discussion in this thread awesome.

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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2012, 06:59:59 PM »
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If I would have known that, I wouldn't have started this. And it's really not that big of a deal.
There is nothing wrong with the main-story games at all. This topic is not ridiculous at all. It's not as if anyone is arguing over who's gonna be in the game. And I'm not gonna be apart from this at all. I didn't think you'd react like this, Rage; I figured you'd be a little more cool about it.
If this topic is gonna be locked, let it be locked. I personally find the discussion in this thread awesome.
Maybe i was a bit rash with my wording. But you have to understand all this this type of content been discussed all ready. that being cannon, non cannon, and fan art. Maybe you where not here when the project first started and we had similar questions. Im personally am very stern about remaining to true to the story line as possible when creating. If you haven't noticed that already.

The MM background is set and it pretty decent story with no ending. Which is cool when making these characters you can say how they grow or grown within reason. As long as it doesn't mess with their past or go against there personality.  Thats why when it comes to the power sets that stuff is cool. Tho i been downing almost every creator and will continue too. Because i would rather perfer them to use their own power in different ways then it was intended for verity. Yeah i know im one to talk since im doing MM type characters that steal powers but i got some secrets im working toward that are not MM types and will not borrow any powers.
 

The MM&B2, MMpc, MMpc3 contain game elements stolen from other games. The later of the two i mention stole level and rm designs. Capcoms name is on all those products but because of there quality there in no mention or use of any elements from these games. tho that is debatable cause there in no info on why the licensed games are not cannon. tho MM&B2 was mentioned in R20 Rockman & Rockman X Official Complete Works its still not cannon and did i say it lacks quality.


Last ...WHAT!? its been stated time and time again that after the games initial release that many of the characters would be available for DL unless the author releases them earlier, later, etc. The screen pack is already is available tho i think it may have been updated.

Im surprised noone is doing legends or zero (1-4, Advent/ ZX) series characters


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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2012, 04:26:32 AM »
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The MM&B2, MMpc, MMpc3 contain game elements stolen from other games. The later of the two i mention stole level and rm designs. Capcoms name is on all those products but because of there quality there in no mention or use of any elements from these games. tho that is debatable cause there in no info on why the licensed games are not cannon. tho MM&B2 was mentioned in R20 Rockman & Rockman X Official Complete Works its still not cannon and did i say it lacks quality.
While I can understand that, there is one error in your statement: You say, that MM&B2 stole stuff, without mentioning, that MM&B1 stole stuff as well. If you go that way and say, that MM&B2 robots will not appear because of stealing stuff, then the MM&B robots shouldn't be there as well. Also, I doubt, that Capcom would tell us lies about the cannonity of their own games. :D
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Im surprised noone is doing legends or zero (1-4, Advent/ ZX) series characters
I was never a fan of the MMZ series, but MMZX chars would be interesting.
Also, I doubt, there would be any MegaMan Legends chars, until Maitake finally allows us to use his Rock Volnutt...

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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2012, 12:21:38 PM »
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While I can understand that, there is one error in your statement: You say, that MM&B2 stole stuff, without mentioning, that MM&B1 stole stuff as well. If you go that way and say, that MM&B2 robots will not appear because of stealing stuff, then the MM&B robots shouldn't be there as well. Also, I doubt, that Capcom would tell us lies about the cannonity of their own games. :D I was never a fan of the MMZ series, but MMZX chars would be interesting.
Also, I doubt, there would be any MegaMan Legends chars, until Maitake finally allows us to use his Rock Volnutt...
This is all i have to say and im done here. Cant talk about MM&B. Ive only played 1-9, gb games and the power up games. MM&B2 same deal but i researched it to hell cause of argument that took place doing the early development of Quint. As for its not being featured i was told was told because its not cannon. Now this statement is contradicted in my Quint thread however with R-shadow but that may have been to stop the arguing and pest.


Fact remain with 1-10, power ups, x series (including Command mission) Z series, Legends why default to a game that was deemed sub-par and not part of the continuum? I havent even heard anyone say the famous line, "My favorite RM is in this game"

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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2012, 03:05:47 PM »
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Maybe i was a bit rash with my wording. But you have to understand all this this type of content been discussed all ready. that being cannon, non cannon, and fan art. Maybe you where not here when the project first started and we had similar questions. Im personally am very stern about remaining to true to the story line as possible when creating. If you haven't noticed that already.

The MM background is set and it pretty decent story with no ending. Which is cool when making these characters you can say how they grow or grown within reason. As long as it doesn't mess with their past or go against there personality.  Thats why when it comes to the power sets that stuff is cool. Tho i been downing almost every creator and will continue too. Because i would rather perfer them to use their own power in different ways then it was intended for verity. Yeah i know im one to talk since im doing MM type characters that steal powers but i got some secrets im working toward that are not MM types and will not borrow any powers.
 

The MM&B2, MMpc, MMpc3 contain game elements stolen from other games. The later of the two i mention stole level and rm designs. Capcoms name is on all those products but because of there quality there in no mention or use of any elements from these games. tho that is debatable cause there in no info on why the licensed games are not cannon. tho MM&B2 was mentioned in R20 Rockman & Rockman X Official Complete Works its still not cannon and did i say it lacks quality.


Last ...WHAT!? its been stated time and time again that after the games initial release that many of the characters would be available for DL unless the author releases them earlier, later, etc. The screen pack is already is available tho i think it may have been updated.

Im surprised noone is doing legends or zero (1-4, Advent/ ZX) series characters



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I thought you were really upset. I find it respectable that you are true to the series, and I am too. I love and respect the classic games way more than the non-canon ones. I just wanted to see what everyone thought, and my intentions did not fail. And I like the characters you're working on.
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While I can understand that, there is one error in your statement: You say, that MM&B2 stole stuff, without mentioning, that MM&B1 stole stuff as well. If you go that way and say, that MM&B2 robots will not appear because of stealing stuff, then the MM&B robots shouldn't be there as well. Also, I doubt, that Capcom would tell us lies about the cannonity of their own games. :D I was never a fan of the MMZ series, but MMZX chars would be interesting.
Also, I doubt, there would be any MegaMan Legends chars, until Maitake finally allows us to use his Rock Volnutt...

The whole stealing thing, especially in MM&B, is okay, I guess. The RMs in that game are original, so they can all appear. And I don't care much for MMZ.

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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2012, 06:19:53 PM »
Rockman Strategy is a  game that was officially licensed by Capcom, Inc. and created by Dreams Come True.  The Constellation Droids should be in this project, They're cool!! Well for the story of the Constellation Droids is not far!

"It is the year 2016, shortly after the events of Rockman & Forte: Challenger From The Future. Just when everyone thought peace had finally settled on the world, a strange series of biological events started to occur. The world was shocked by a series of earthquakes and, concurrently, plants throughout the world began to die. As news reports began to flood televisions across the globe about these catastrophes, the infamous Dr. Wily made an appearance on TV, shocking the world. He announced that he was behind these events and that, unless the populace cooperate and give in to his demands, the world was doomed.

However, little did everyone know that Dr. Wily was being forced to cooperate with a group of invaders from space who called themselves the Constellation Droids. These powerful Robot Masters, all named after the twelve signs of the Zodiac (except for their leaders Luna and Apollo), had taken over Wily's lab and forced the evil scientist to cooperate with them under threat of death.

Dr. Light, renowned robotics engineer and pacifist, once again called on Mega Man to go after the powerful Constellation Droids and the evil Dr. Wily. However, Duo, a member of the Intergalactic Police Force who had helped Mega Man during the "evil energy crisis," returned to Earth to assist with the take-down of the Constellation Droids..."

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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2012, 07:29:25 PM »
I say go for the non canon chars;. This could bring more unique chars to the roster;

Plus, I have an idea for a non-canon char, but its secret yet :)
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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2012, 07:40:12 PM »
Huh. It would be really cool to see them. In the end, when it comes to the actual release, it's up to Laspacho.  ::salute::

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« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2012, 03:39:06 AM »
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I say go for the non canon chars;. This could bring more unique chars to the roster;

Plus, I have an idea for a non-canon char, but its secret yet :)
Yeah, that would be great, if the RobotMasters from MM&B2, some of the ConstellationDroids from RockMan Strategy or even someone from Archie's MegaMan comics would be playable or, at least, have SOME sort of appearance in this project (e.g. in a hyper or in a stage)...

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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2012, 06:38:00 AM »
And we have come full circle! The whole topic is about if they were featured in stages or hypers.

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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2012, 10:59:38 AM »
Even if the RM&F2 RMs are a no as characters, I still think they should get some sort of appearance in a stage. We should really have a stage in symphony city with all those RMs there watching the fight or something. They're really good and original, and they deserve at least some attention.
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Re: Non-Canon Megaman Robot Masters
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2012, 07:52:18 AM »
I don't mind these non-canon characters appearing as strikers or in stages. As full characters, I just think they shouldn't be the main focus.
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