Post by: Harbinger on December 09, 2017, 06:25:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/dZZCkjy.gif)(https://i.imgur.com/3ekHTNk.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/GZUAaIV.gif)(https://i.imgur.com/TZWRg81.gif)
Basics minus air attacks are done (movements, get hits, basic attacks). One special, one hyper and one win pose are also done.
Before you ask, he's not just Rugal, he's heavily thinned down and in fact none of his standing punches are Rugal's, they're a mix of Q and Yamazaki. Whilst he may share some basic movements (back walk, jump and crouch) he will definitely be very different!
Post by: .black dragon. on December 09, 2017, 06:26:57 PM
Post by: dev. on December 09, 2017, 06:29:02 PM
Post by: Uche_of_IMT on December 09, 2017, 06:37:07 PM
Post by: warecus on December 09, 2017, 09:45:50 PM
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 09, 2017, 10:57:09 PM
I hope you're having a good and safe winter btw
Post by: laspacho on December 09, 2017, 11:29:14 PM
Post by: malevka2 on December 10, 2017, 02:14:41 AM
Post by: metamutant on December 10, 2017, 04:51:07 AM
Post by: NX-MEN on December 10, 2017, 07:41:32 AM
Good luck on him man!! :)
Post by: verz36 on December 10, 2017, 08:20:41 AM
Post by: sky79 on December 10, 2017, 09:01:56 AM
Post by: kyoman on December 10, 2017, 10:33:29 AM
Post by: Blagoy on December 10, 2017, 01:38:22 PM
Post by: Superjoker on December 11, 2017, 03:22:09 AM
I am trying to find the reference you have based your design off, is this the old Unlimited WIP?
Can i suggest you add more detail, like separate the shirt into a vest and shirt (he usually wears a 3 piece suit) white/purple gloves and a smaller beau tie? I am sure you will make a smart pal for awesome versions!
And the face,,, very hard to get right! IMO the nose is the hardest bit, but also because working with a white face can be tricky.
Here is the one I been working on for a long time, some people may say the stripes are too much work though...
I used Iori as a base
(https://i.imgur.com/mf1pWtk.png)
Good luck and have a laugh!
HAHAHA
Post by: NX-MEN on December 11, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
I like your detail!! :)
Post by: HQ on December 12, 2017, 07:05:21 AM
Very quick tips on how to improve the animation- look them up closely to see what I changed :) (added one frame and changed the head of another + adjusting fixes)
(https://i.imgur.com/TZWRg81.gif)--> (https://i.imgur.com/kESQ1JF.gif)
Also, watch out for shadows --> see the left leg and how the frames seem to jump just because they were not shaded like the ones before? The stance frame seems to have less detail than the rest/ there seems to be a unfinished part on the left leg that pops out in the animation
+the back part of his suit could need some smoothing out in the animation, but I'm not sure if you care for that
Concerning the Gun Shot - the retreat part needs a frame or two :)
Post by: navs41 on December 12, 2017, 05:58:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kESQ1JF.gif)
After Xfield's Cheetah and this... I am truly afraid to ask this guy about how I could improve the animations of Robin... I might end up with quite a homework to do :cool
Jokes aside (no pun intended), I really like HQ's contribution
Post by: warecus on December 12, 2017, 08:52:39 PM
Post by: navs41 on December 13, 2017, 03:33:26 AM
Post by: Shockdingo on December 13, 2017, 02:40:54 PM
Great to see at least one part of Unlimited's old project alive :)I think that works nice. Looks good HQ!
Very quick tips on how to improve the animation- look them up closely to see what I changed :) (added one frame and changed the head of another + adjusting fixes)
(https://i.imgur.com/TZWRg81.gif)--> (https://i.imgur.com/kESQ1JF.gif)
Also, watch out for shadows --> see the left leg and how the frames seem to jump just because they were not shaded like the ones before? The stance frame seems to have less detail than the rest/ there seems to be a unfinished part on the left leg that pops out in the animation
+the back part of his suit could need some smoothing out in the animation, but I'm not sure if you care for that
Concerning the Gun Shot - the retreat part needs a frame or two :)
Post by: dev. on December 13, 2017, 04:41:35 PM
Great to see at least one part of Unlimited's old project alive :)This dude can beta test the crap out of my characters. Nice job.
Very quick tips on how to improve the animation- look them up closely to see what I changed :) (added one frame and changed the head of another + adjusting fixes)
(https://i.imgur.com/TZWRg81.gif)--> (https://i.imgur.com/kESQ1JF.gif)
Also, watch out for shadows --> see the left leg and how the frames seem to jump just because they were not shaded like the ones before? The stance frame seems to have less detail than the rest/ there seems to be a unfinished part on the left leg that pops out in the animation
+the back part of his suit could need some smoothing out in the animation, but I'm not sure if you care for that
Concerning the Gun Shot - the retreat part needs a frame or two :)
Post by: verz36 on December 13, 2017, 08:40:40 PM
Post by: Mephisto Maker on December 14, 2017, 12:39:03 PM
Post by: NightDevil123 on December 14, 2017, 04:15:35 PM
Post by: HQ on December 14, 2017, 04:37:46 PM
What are your gameplay plans for Joker?
Who's gonna voice him? Shockdingo? Mark Hamill? (as of sound rips from some game)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 14, 2017, 10:38:12 PM
Post by: Uche_of_IMT on December 15, 2017, 11:09:01 AM
Post by: dev. on December 15, 2017, 11:31:03 AM
All we need now is the right Batman to go against this version of The Joker and we'd be set.Speaking of Batman. I remember the one in shockdingo's sig. I don't know if they still work on it, but looks friggin insane.
Post by: Harbinger on December 15, 2017, 03:58:15 PM
I hope he'll incorporate some of Oswald's movements in there, they were frigging legendary :thumbsup:
Thanks for reminding me. It'll be a bit of work but Oswald has some great animations for Joker
I am trying to find the reference you have based your design off, is this the old Unlimited WIP?
Can i suggest you add more detail, like separate the shirt into a vest and shirt (he usually wears a 3 piece suit) white/purple gloves and a smaller beau tie? I am sure you will make a smart pal for awesome versions!
The Joker has had so many variations of his costume over the years. As for specifics, I guess Hush/TAS would be the closest. I might try it with the vest via colour separation but can't make any promises. Gloves are colour separated and can be any colour you want. I quite like the large bow tie though. I think the colours also make a huge difference, so many variants of purple!
And the face,,, very hard to get right! IMO the nose is the hardest bit, but also because working with a white face can be tricky.
Navs41 did an amazing job on his face here - I love it!
Great to see at least one part of Unlimited's old project alive :)
Very quick tips on how to improve the animation- look them up closely to see what I changed :) (added one frame and changed the head of another + adjusting fixes)
(https://i.imgur.com/TZWRg81.gif)--> (https://i.imgur.com/kESQ1JF.gif)
Also, watch out for shadows --> see the left leg and how the frames seem to jump just because they were not shaded like the ones before? The stance frame seems to have less detail than the rest/ there seems to be a unfinished part on the left leg that pops out in the animation
+the back part of his suit could need some smoothing out in the animation, but I'm not sure if you care for that
Concerning the Gun Shot - the retreat part needs a frame or two :)
Amazing, thank you. I was concerned that he looked lifeless and I think just adding another frame and playing with the timing really helps. I shall try and apply what you've done here to other animations too.
RE the shadows on the legs - this is actually how it is on Rugal, I've not edited the legs apart from making them thinner. However I see what you mean and shall improve upon what is there, thanks.
Thanks for the kind words! I'm here if anyone needs some help & I find some time to work on something :) Let's focus on the great work of Harbinger though :thumbsup:
What are your gameplay plans for Joker?
Who's gonna voice him? Shockdingo? Mark Hamill? (as of sound rips from some game)
I'm always open to help!
Yeah it'll be Mark Hamill. I can record his voice from the Arkham games (same way I did for Ivy - you can turn off all sounds apart from the voices, run the audio via my laptop and record from there). Plus his DCUO voice rips are all on Youtube. I can't imagine another person as Joker!
As for his gameplay - to be honest not entirely sure. Injustice Joker bores me.... But he'll have his staple moves - gun shot, flower acid, joy buzzer counter, crowbar. I'm really open to suggestions, along with bases for said moves.
But as for what type of character (trap, rushdown, zoner, grappler) I'm really not sure. We need variety in Gotham Knights characters and Ivy has the trap and zoner playstyle down.....
Speaking of Batman. I remember the one in shockdingo's sig. I don't know if they still work on it, but looks friggin insane.
Slowly, slowly. Currently really thin on spriters and Batman is a must have character in the Gotham Knights game! There was so much done on him but Scruffygate meant that he was being completely redone with Navs doing amazing work really making his quality level insanely high.
Thanks again guys!
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 15, 2017, 05:05:50 PM
Post by: Harbinger on December 16, 2017, 07:56:17 PM
I'll play with using colour separation on the torso some more so there are no seams between the vest and shirt
(https://i.imgur.com/S2fxAzt.png)
As for helpers, I'll probably scrap them for Joker. Potentially a Joker gang hyper and the rest in intros/wins. Maybe even Captain Clown....
He needs the explosive teeth too I suppose. And the bang flag.
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 16, 2017, 10:33:47 PM
Lemme try to figure out some other stuff...
*A banana peel that can trip up enemies
*A yoyo with a buzz-saw in the middle
...I'm trying to come up with something that isn't too obvious and that you haven't mentioned already
Post by: NX-MEN on December 17, 2017, 09:30:48 AM
Also u can have Bud and Lou as helpers!! :)
Plus u can use the Joker vehicle in a winpose or intro!! :)
Post by: il Tizio on December 17, 2017, 12:35:13 PM
Decided to toy with adding the vest and making the ribbons on the bow thicker.
This Joker is just amazing. Maybe (but it's a personal taste) a bow tie less "fluffy" like in the picture below could help to look less "crowded"
(https://www.collezionismofumetti.com/IMMAGINI_PERSONAGGI/joker_298.jpg)
Post by: Harbinger on December 17, 2017, 03:33:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/mnffk5f.gif)
Couldn't not use the big gun from Batman (1989)!
Post by: laspacho on December 17, 2017, 04:31:07 PM
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How about Joker puts the fish hood over you and then beats you with the Joker fish? ;*))
(https://i.imgur.com/svMIVea.gif)(https://i.imgur.com/FOqse0y.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/GcjbySk.jpg)
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on December 17, 2017, 04:41:14 PM
Draft gun hyper move. Will end with Joker in his get hit sprites falling backwards. A lot of custom work in this one as it's half based on Whip (KOF) so it's a bit wonky, needs fixes!For a work in progress, that still looks great. :Terry
(https://i.imgur.com/mnffk5f.gif)
Couldn't not use the big gun from Batman (1989)!
How about those extendo-boxing gloves tricks?
Also u can have Bud and Lou as helpers!! :)Harley's already using them though
Post by: laspacho on December 17, 2017, 04:54:01 PM
Post by: Superjoker on December 17, 2017, 07:18:22 PM
Decided to toy with adding the vest and making the ribbons on the bow thicker. Also found a better way to shade the torso (highlight on ribcage, none on stomach). I also moved the flower higher up on his lapel. I was worried it would be too crowded with the bow but it works quite nicely
I'll play with using colour separation on the torso some more so there are no seams between the vest and shirt
(https://i.imgur.com/S2fxAzt.png)
As for helpers, I'll probably scrap them for Joker. Potentially a Joker gang hyper and the rest in intros/wins. Maybe even Captain Clown....
He needs the explosive teeth too I suppose. And the bang flag.
=D> =D> =D>
It's the little things that go a long way!
Post by: warecus on December 18, 2017, 03:24:06 AM
Post by: NX-MEN on December 18, 2017, 02:42:43 PM
Post by: I-Skorp-I on December 19, 2017, 11:41:25 PM
Post by: Shockdingo on December 29, 2017, 10:07:13 PM
Sorry to bump this up, but I had some ideas.
As for his gameplay - to be honest not entirely sure. Injustice Joker bores me.... But he'll have his staple moves - gun shot, flower acid, joy buzzer counter, crowbar. I'm really open to suggestions, along with bases for said moves.
But as for what type of character (trap, rushdown, zoner, grappler) I'm really not sure. We need variety in Gotham Knights characters and Ivy has the trap and zoner playstyle down.....
I've always been bad with fighting game terminology, but I think a trapping or zoning character may work since Joker wouldn't be so physically fit compared to the other fighters.
I was looking at Kizuna encounter, and the Joker character has a present and jack in the box move, that got me thinking of a mechanic that could be either a special, or pushed into a hyper.
I was thinking him kicking out a present box, but when it opens, it could have some sort of debuff (Joker toxin, a fake out with nothing, a bomb, glue)
Other ideas:
"I love a parade: Anti-air, Joker throws hands up and confetti flies out, but little razors are mixed in with them. Strength decides amount or razors/ duration
Life's a stage: Joker bows and a joker gang member appears from the top of the screen to hook opponent upwards, allowing for follow up attacks. Similar to Rolento's use of El Gado and Hollywood.
I'll try and whip up some rough ideas to illustrate what I mean.
Post by: sky79 on December 30, 2017, 04:42:51 AM
Flower acid move, could easily be pulled vis "Burned" state sprites already found in many characters.
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here is the code-
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If you want a "Shock buzzer" state, I can help you there too.
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Enjoy.
Post by: dakidbanks on December 30, 2017, 08:30:54 PM
Post by: Harbinger on October 11, 2021, 01:31:21 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1447614014834479105 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1447614014834479105)
Missing
1 special
2 hypers
Additional win/intro poses (he has 2 of each)
Taunt
Movelist (names not final)
Joker has a random chance on some of his moves for a different effect to happen
For instance, his HP sometimes has the fish instead of the crowbar which causes a trip and drains P2 power meter. His gun sometimes shoots the bang flag
Joker's weakness is the air, he has no decent anti air (CHP is closest) and no air specials. He can however cross up with his JHK, and has a mix of high, low projectiles, with his gun having a variety of speeds to it (and can be delayed when held). His crazed run hyper lets him get in close with its super armour and his joybuzzer counter always keeps P2 on edge.
Specials
Bang - Gun special, delayed projectile, HP variant can be held before firing
Joker Toxin - Close range projectile that causes dizzy on hit
Shocking - Joy buzzer counter move
Chattering Teeth - Explosive slow moving ground projectile
Hypers
Bob, Gun - Iconic giant gun from Batman 89
Crazed Run - Runs at P2 with crowbar out (super armour), acts as grab, pummelling P2 with crowbar
TBC
TBC
Intros
Fakeout with Fish
Killing Joke Coat
TBC
TBC
Wins
Take a bow
Card Trick
TBC
TBC
Post by: navs41 on October 11, 2021, 03:05:17 PM
Nearly there
https://twitter.com/i/status/1447614014834479105 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1447614014834479105)
Today is a day full of Mugen treats :D
Congrats, Harbinger!
Post by: malevka2 on October 12, 2021, 01:08:37 PM
Post by: Bizarro_Toro on October 16, 2021, 09:27:45 PM
Post by: MatreroG on October 17, 2021, 08:16:15 PM
:)
I also saw other very interesting things, that I had no idea that they were continuing to develop.
:thumbsup:
Post by: HyperVoiceActing on October 19, 2021, 09:28:06 PM
Nearly thereOoh, that's looking awesome~
https://twitter.com/i/status/1447614014834479105 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1447614014834479105)
Can't wait to see more of him in action.